Re: libXaw3d7 Package Uninstall Hangs

[hughgs]

Thanks, that got me headed down the right path.  The libXaw3d7.lst.gz file
was corrupted so I replaced it using the local tarball via these
instructions (which I'm including since it was on a different thread).

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-01/msg00419.html

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:

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> > Any ideas on the problem?  I was hoping to find the actual commands that
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> > but I wasn't able to find anything on the web.
>
> Sounds like something similar to this:
>
> http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-01/msg00340.html
> http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-01/msg00354.html
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> Does that help?
>
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Re: libXaw3d7 Package Uninstall Hangs

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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hughgs wrote:
> Any ideas on the problem?  I was hoping to find the actual commands that
> setup.exe uses during updates to narrow down the actual command that fails
> but I wasn't able to find anything on the web.

Sounds like something similar to this:

http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-01/msg00340.html
http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-01/msg00354.html

Does that help?


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multiwindow support for _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Jon,

Following up on our discussion about multiwindow not honouring
_NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR.  The attached patch was what I had in mind
but it has no effect.  I'm posting this now to at least start the
discussion.

You may wish to refer to the FD.o EWMH specs:

http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.4.html


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Process _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR in multiwindow.

FIXME: This does NOT work yet.


--- origsrc/xorg-server-1.5.3/hw/xwin/winmultiwindowwm.c	2008-11-18 00:15:45.825463100 -0600
+++ src/xorg-server-1.5.3/hw/xwin/winmultiwindowwm.c	2008-11-18 13:19:41.949202900 -0600
@@ -1470,6 +1470,8 @@
 #define HINT_BORDER	(1L<<1)
 #define HINT_SIZEBOX	(1l<<2)
 #define HINT_CAPTION	(1l<<3)
+/* Windows extended window styles */
+#define HINT_SKIPTASKBAR	(1L<<0)
 /* These two are used on their own */
 #define HINT_MAX	(1L<<0)
 #define HINT_MIN	(1L<<1)
@@ -1480,7 +1482,7 @@
   static Atom	windowState, motif_wm_hints, windowType;
   Atom		type, *pAtom = NULL;
   int 		format;
-  unsigned long	hint = 0, maxmin = 0, rcStyle, nitems = 0 , left = 0;
+  unsigned long	hint = 0, exHint = 0, maxmin = 0, rcStyle, nitems = 0 , left = 0;
   WindowPtr	pWin = GetProp (hWnd, WIN_WINDOW_PROP);
 
   if (!hWnd) return;
@@ -1491,16 +1493,18 @@
   if (windowType == None) windowType = XInternAtom(pDisplay, "_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE", False);
 
   if (XGetWindowProperty(pDisplay, iWindow, windowState, 0L,
-			 1L, False, XA_ATOM, &type, &format,
+			 2L, False, XA_ATOM, &type, &format,
 			 &nitems, &left, (unsigned char **)&pAtom) == Success)
   {
-if (pAtom && nitems == 1)
+if (pAtom && nitems > 0)
 {
-  static Atom hiddenState, fullscreenState, belowState, aboveState;
+  static Atom skiptaskbarState, hiddenState, fullscreenState, belowState, aboveState;
+  if (skiptaskbarState == None) skiptaskbarState = XInternAtom(pDisplay, "_NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR", False);
   if (hiddenState == None) hiddenState = XInternAtom(pDisplay, "_NET_WM_STATE_HIDDEN", False);
   if (fullscreenState == None) fullscreenState = XInternAtom(pDisplay, "_NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN", False);
   if (belowState == None) belowState = XInternAtom(pDisplay, "_NET_WM_STATE_BELOW", False);
   if (aboveState == None) aboveState = XInternAtom(pDisplay, "_NET_WM_STATE_ABOVE", False);
+  if (*pAtom == skiptaskbarState) exHint |= HINT_SKIPTASKBAR;
   if (*pAtom == hiddenState) maxmin |= HINT_MIN;
   else if (*pAtom == fullscreenState) maxmin |= HINT_MAX;
   if (*pAtom == belowState) *zstyle = HWND_BOTTOM;
@@ -1573,6 +1577,9 @@
 			((hint & HINT_SIZEBOX) ? (GetParent(hWnd) ? 0 : WS_SIZEBOX) : 0) |
 			((hint & HINT_CAPTION) ? WS_CAPTION : 0));
 
+  if (exHint & HINT_SKIPTASKBAR)
+SetWindowLongPtr (hWnd, GWL_EXSTYLE, GetWindowLongPtr(hWnd, GWL_EXSTYLE) & ~WS_EX_APPWINDOW);
+
   return;
 }
 

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.5.3-3

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin net distribution:

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These are the changes in this release:

* Log changes:
- - In addition to the XWin logs now being found in /var/log (as of the
last release), now a separate log is created for each display.  THE
DEFAULT LOG LOCATION IS NOW /var/log/XWin.0.log, when run as "X :1" the
log will be /var/log/XWin.1.log, etc.
- - The -logfile flag argument may contain "%s" (w/o quotations) to have
the display number automatically substituted; e.g. "XWin :2 -logfile
~/tmp/XWin.%s.log" will create ~/tmp/XWin.2.log.
- - The verbosity of the logfile and the console output should now match.

* The messages about /tmp/.X11-unix creation and ownership are silenced.

* Multiwindow mode fix:
- - Windows which remember their placement don't drift with each instance.

* Multihead fixes:
- - Windows don't appear offscreen when the primary monitor is not
upper-left.
- - XWin dialogs are placed near the tray icon so that they don't end up
in the middle of the virtual desktop, possibly split between two monitors.

* Numerous clipboard fixes, including a fix for clipboard startup with
XDMCP.

* Built-in fonts are used in addition to server-side fonts.  The default
font has changed as a result, but the full selection of fonts is still
available if installed.

* Temporary disabled the NumLock/CapsLock synchronization due to several
bug reports.


Yaakov
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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xtrans-1.2.2-3

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: libXaw-1.0.5-1

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The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin net distribution:

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*** libXaw-devel-1.0.5-1

This is the latest upstream release.

Even though all references to the xaw.m4 macro has been removed upstream
in git, a simplified version is included in this package for building
the current X.Org Xaw-dependent tarballs.


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Cygwin X-Win scripting help

[tbishop]

I have used XP and have used this script for a long time as a bat file to get
to my UNIX box:
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@echo off


C:
chdir C:\cygwin\bin

bash --login -c "\XWin.exe -query 128.49.000.44 -from 128.23.77.149"

for some reason on Vista it seems NOT to work the same, way, it opens up 3
command
tools, the 3rd one blank and a blank Xsession... nothing on the screen but
an X
in the middle does anyone have any ideas???

Thanks,
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RE: Documentation

[Back, Michael]

Thanks Jon,

Jon TURNEY wrote:
>Jonathan Johansen wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I've tried installing the Cygwin X11 server to try to be able to run an
>> X app, but the cygwin installation packages were completely different to
>> the ones mentioned on the website and in the documentation.  I had to
>> search the mailing list to get the required package names.  So, can I
>> suggest that the website and/or documentation are updated to reflect the
>> package name changes?  I'm sure it would save a lot of pain for people
>> in the future.
>
>I've just updated the documentation under http://x.cygwin.com/docs/

This is great!  It has a lot of information on how to fix common problems.  I 
have hope to be able to use Cygwin/X again soon (once I have all of the kinks 
worked out with my installation).  And now with the discovery of this mailing 
list, I have another avenue to get help in the present & hopefully an avenue to 
contribute in the future.

Thanks,

Michael


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Re: Documentation

[Jon TURNEY]

Jonathan Johansen wrote:

Hi All,

I've tried installing the Cygwin X11 server to try to be able to run an
X app, but the cygwin installation packages were completely different to
the ones mentioned on the website and in the documentation.  I had to
search the mailing list to get the required package names.  So, can I
suggest that the website and/or documentation are updated to reflect the
package name changes?  I'm sure it would save a lot of pain for people
in the future.


I've just updated the documentation under http://x.cygwin.com/docs/

If you have suggestions on how to improve it, patches are more than welcome :-)

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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

[Jon TURNEY]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 06:54:42PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:

Christopher Faylor wrote:

If you update the documentation in the htdocs/xfree/docs/cg directory
they should show up on the web site automatically.  In fact, everything
under htdocs should work like that.

cygwin-xfree/htdocs doesn't exist.

The web-pages appear to be in cygwin/htdocs/xfree/, but I can't write to 
that.


Perhaps this is a simple as adding a symlink?


Sorry.  You are right.  This is a different repository.  It's under the
cygwin htdocs directory.  You and Yaakov do have the rights to update
that.

Something like this (untested) should work:

cvs -d :ext:/cvs/cygwin co htdocs/xfree


Thanks.
Updated.


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Re: XWin requires tty for console log output

[Jon TURNEY]

Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:

Jon,

For some reason which I have yet to investigate, XWin requires a tty to
the log to the terminal.  That means it will output to terminal in VTs,
but will not work in ordinary cmd/bash shells without setting
CYGWIN=tty; instead you will see a cmd window briefly flashing on screen
when launched.

Have you seen anything that would be causing this?


No idea.

However, this does explain some confusing reports of no output from XWin; I 
discover I do have CYGWIN=tty in my environment :-)



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Re: Multiple Monitors issue with Xterm

[Jet Wilda]

That is great to hear.  Thanks again for the link and the work
arounds.  I look forward to Jon's fix :-)

Thanks,
~Jet

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Larry Hall (Cygwin X)
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> Jet Wilda wrote:
>>
>> I did do some googling but must not of had the right keywords (thanks
>> for the link :-).  In either case I read that thread and there is only
>> work arounds no solutions.  Correct me if I'm wrong but the work
>> arounds are, I can either move my main monitor to the top and left or
>> I can user the arrow keys to move it into a visible location.  Is
>> there any known solutions to this issue?
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Re: Multiple Monitors issue with Xterm

[Larry Hall (Cygwin X)]

Jet Wilda wrote:

I did do some googling but must not of had the right keywords (thanks
for the link :-).  In either case I read that thread and there is only
work arounds no solutions.  Correct me if I'm wrong but the work
arounds are, I can either move my main monitor to the top and left or
I can user the arrow keys to move it into a visible location.  Is
there any known solutions to this issue?


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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 06:54:42PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> If you update the documentation in the htdocs/xfree/docs/cg directory
>> they should show up on the web site automatically.  In fact, everything
>> under htdocs should work like that.
>
> cygwin-xfree/htdocs doesn't exist.
>
> The web-pages appear to be in cygwin/htdocs/xfree/, but I can't write to 
> that.
>
> Perhaps this is a simple as adding a symlink?

Sorry.  You are right.  This is a different repository.  It's under the
cygwin htdocs directory.  You and Yaakov do have the rights to update
that.

Something like this (untested) should work:

cvs -d :ext:/cvs/cygwin co htdocs/xfree

cgf

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Re: Multiple Monitors issue with Xterm

[Jet Wilda]

I did do some googling but must not of had the right keywords (thanks
for the link :-).  In either case I read that thread and there is only
work arounds no solutions.  Correct me if I'm wrong but the work
arounds are, I can either move my main monitor to the top and left or
I can user the arrow keys to move it into a visible location.  Is
there any known solutions to this issue?

Thanks,
~Jet

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Larry Hall (Cygwin X)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jet Wilda wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just installed cygwin with X on WindowsXP and after making the
>> change to have it starup in C:\cygwin\bin the Xserver starts.  I have
>> 3 monitors and even with the multimonitors setting set in the
>> startxwin.bat when I start Xterm it is not reachable unless I right
>> click and have it maximize (which brings it  to my main screen).  I
>> need to be able to have it not maximized and be able to move it to one
>> of my other screens.  If I disconnect my 2 extra monitors and only
>> have 1 monitor it does work.  Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Did you check the meail archives?
>
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Re: Upgrade woes.

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Chuck Hamilton-2 wrote:
> 
> Dont Care wrote:
>> I have the same Numlock/Capslock issue (see my previous post).
>> 
>> Stop fighting about this, it doesn't help ! Please, does anybody have
>> a solution ??
> 
> Yes. The location of the startup bat files changed from /usr/X11R6/bin
> to /usr/bin. You need to change your start menu shortcuts to run the new
> .bat file. I think there's a package that's supposed to do it
> automatically for you too.
> 
> I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
> has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.
> 

You're right: this question has been asked (and answered)... in 2001 !
http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q4/msg00590.html

In fact, this IS a bug and it has been fixed. So let's say it's a
regression.

By the way, this has obviously nothing to do with the startup files
location.
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Re: Alias problem with bash -l (was Re: New X server)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:37:51PM -0600, Ryan Stewart wrote:
>Jon TURNEY wrote:
>[...]
>> It sounds like you have somehow lost "-multiwindow" from the command used to
>> start the X server (so the server is operating in the default, windowed 
>> mode).
>[...]
>> Run xterm +tb, or add "XTerm*toolBar: false" to ~/.Xdefaults
>
>Awesome! Those were exactly what I was looking for, and I also learned
>a few other things along the way. Thanks so much.
>
>I'm having one other problem now, though, which might be a bug. When
>bash is started with the "-l" (that's an 'L') flag, aliases that I've
>defined in .bashrc don't take effect. My .bash_profile includes a call
>to .bashrc, and I know that .bashrc is being executed because I've put
>an echo at the beginning and end of it, and both messages are printed
>out. Even if I execute .bashrc manually, it will print out the
>messages, but I get no aliases. I can, however, manually enter
>aliases, and they work.

I doubt that the base maintainer would be scanning the cygwin-xfree
mailing list looking for problem reports.

Please use the cygwin list for non-x-related problems.

cgf

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Re: Multiple Monitors issue with Xterm

[Larry Hall (Cygwin X)]

Jet Wilda wrote:

Hi,

 I just installed cygwin with X on WindowsXP and after making the
change to have it starup in C:\cygwin\bin the Xserver starts.  I have
3 monitors and even with the multimonitors setting set in the
startxwin.bat when I start Xterm it is not reachable unless I right
click and have it maximize (which brings it  to my main screen).  I
need to be able to have it not maximized and be able to move it to one
of my other screens.  If I disconnect my 2 extra monitors and only
have 1 monitor it does work.  Any and all help is greatly appreciated.


Did you check the meail archives?




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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

[Jon TURNEY]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

If you update the documentation in the htdocs/xfree/docs/cg directory
they should show up on the web site automatically.  In fact, everything
under htdocs should work like that.


cygwin-xfree/htdocs doesn't exist.

The web-pages appear to be in cygwin/htdocs/xfree/, but I can't write to that.

Perhaps this is a simple as adding a symlink?

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Multiple Monitors issue with Xterm

[Jet Wilda]

Hi,

 I just installed cygwin with X on WindowsXP and after making the
change to have it starup in C:\cygwin\bin the Xserver starts.  I have
3 monitors and even with the multimonitors setting set in the
startxwin.bat when I start Xterm it is not reachable unless I right
click and have it maximize (which brings it  to my main screen).  I
need to be able to have it not maximized and be able to move it to one
of my other screens.  If I disconnect my 2 extra monitors and only
have 1 monitor it does work.  Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
~Jet

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new X-server and remote computers

[Jeffrey Forbes]

I mostly use the Cygwin X-server when connect to remote unix boxes though SSH.
I got the new server working for all of the programs that I use except one.
A molecular modelling graphics program called VMD causes the following error.

 xterm:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server 
"localhost:15.0"


it opens its first window correctly, when it tries to open the second 
window, the X-server

dies and the unix side gave the above error.
Any suggestions?


Jeff Forbes 



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Alias problem with bash -l (was Re: New X server)

[Ryan Stewart]

Jon TURNEY wrote:
[...]
> It sounds like you have somehow lost "-multiwindow" from the command used to
> start the X server (so the server is operating in the default, windowed mode).
[...]
> Run xterm +tb, or add "XTerm*toolBar: false" to ~/.Xdefaults

Awesome! Those were exactly what I was looking for, and I also learned
a few other things along the way. Thanks so much.

I'm having one other problem now, though, which might be a bug. When
bash is started with the "-l" (that's an 'L') flag, aliases that I've
defined in .bashrc don't take effect. My .bash_profile includes a call
to .bashrc, and I know that .bashrc is being executed because I've put
an echo at the beginning and end of it, and both messages are printed
out. Even if I execute .bashrc manually, it will print out the
messages, but I get no aliases. I can, however, manually enter
aliases, and they work.

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Re: Problem with OpenGL on new X serverl

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Florent Fievez wrote:
> I have a problem running new X server 1.5.3 with openGL. Since this
> update, X crash when launching an OpenGL client from SunOS server.
> Since the application we are developing use OpenGL, it's a big problem
> for me (I have to use an exceed commercial xserver for testing our
> application).
> 
> So is there a known solution, patch or other to this issue ?

I see that you do have the libGL1 package installed.  Could you please
review my results with GLX:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2008-11/msg00100.html
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2008-11/msg00160.html

If you are still having issues, please attach your /var/log/XWin.log as
well.


Yaakov
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Re: Upgrade woes.

[Chuck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The problem with googling is it takes a few days or weeks for new
> information to make it into google's index. The on-line mailing list
> archives are usually only 15 minutes or less behind current activity.
> Unless you want to wait a few weeks, scanning the last day or so's
> subject lines in the archives -- or running a search via gmane -- will
> find more current results for your queries.


I was about to post that if the information were available on the cygwin
home page it would save everyone a lot of aggravation and wasted
bandwidth. Then I went there to double check. I think it had to select
maybe 2 hyperlinks to get to a document that says it all.

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2008-11/msg0.html


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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:57:38PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:14:33PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>>
>>> Jon TURNEY wrote:
 I've finished off a first pass at updating the cygwin-x-doc package I 
 started
 some time ago.  Updating the text was a bit less traumatic than expected 
 as it
 makes good use of entities for things like filenames and paths

 Interestingly there are CVS repositories for this package at both
 sourceware.org and at X.org.  The X.Org one seems to be more up to date, 
 and
 seems to contain some (formatting) changes after the 1.0.4 package was 
 made.
>>> That's certainly possible, but given that X.Org CVS is obsolete (in
>>> favour of git) and neither of us have X.Org commit privileges, I think
>>> we should move development back to sourceware.
>> I suspect that will mean that Jon will need write access to the CVS
>> repository.  If so, he should fill out the "handy dandy little form" at:
>> http://sourceware.org, select cygwin-xfree as the project and use either
>> Yaakov or me as the approver.
>> You can put whatever you like in this repository of course.
>
> Thanks.
>
> I have pushed cygwin-x-docs 1.0.4, then the current X.Org HEAD and then my
> changes to /cvs/cygwin-xfree/docs.
>
> I'm guessing I can't update the live version as it's in a different 
> repository.

If you update the documentation in the htdocs/xfree/docs/cg directory
they should show up on the web site automatically.  In fact, everything
under htdocs should work like that.

cgf

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Re: Small update for X server 1.5.3 patch set

[Jon TURNEY]

Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
 >> If your going to do a release soon-ish, you might considered disabling the

call to winRestoreModeKeyStates() in winmultiwindowwndproc.c.  The code which
tries to synchronize locking key states (e.g. caps lock, etc.) between X and
Windows has broken, so is now toggling the modifiers in X every time an X
window gains focus.  Having the lock state in X just unsynchronized instead
might be marginally less irritating until I get a chance to work on a proper 
fix.


Committed.  Could you please test?


wfm

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Re: Upgrade woes.

[cygwin]

Eric Roode wrote:
> How amusingly recursive:  "It has always been the advice of the
> mailing lists that you should check the mailing lists before
> upgrading"  :-)

Somehow you found *this* list to complain to. On that same page, there
are two different *-announce lists. What did you think they were for,
wedding announcements?

> I did not check the *-announce lists before running setup.  I did
> not know of their existence.  To me, mailing lists are for developers,
> groupies, and people with tech supp problems, not something to be
> subscribed to and monitored by ordinary users on an ongoing basis -- I
> have enough noise in my inbox as it is.

I don't subscribe to any of the lists. I use the on-line archives, or
gmane. You can too.  That way you can check the lists when you need to,
but not clutter your inbox.

The problem with googling is it takes a few days or weeks for new
information to make it into google's index. The on-line mailing list
archives are usually only 15 minutes or less behind current activity.
Unless you want to wait a few weeks, scanning the last day or so's
subject lines in the archives -- or running a search via gmane -- will
find more current results for your queries.

> I do check www.cygwin.com before doing (what I think is going to
> be) a routine upgrade.  If there's nothing in the news there, I assume
> that what I'm getting is just an upgrade of existing packages that I
> already have installed.  Is that such a foolish assumption?

No. In fact, you can leave out the "If" qualifier. In general, the only
thing setup will do is upgrade what you already have. BUT...

> The flaw in my cunning plan, it seems, is that www.cygwin.com is
> *never* updated, except to note an occasional upgrade to the DLL
> itself.

That's because the people with the ability to update the cygwin web page
are not the people who maintain and update individual packages -- and
there are far too many of the latter to grant such untrammeled access,
and far too many individual packages.  Any "update" web page would
either grow to unweildy size, "recent" updates would too quickly roll
off the page, and/or the information provided concerning each individual
update would be too terse to be useful, or too verbose to allow more
than one or two "updates" to be visible at a time.  AND, you probably
don't care about the latest "octave" or "subversion" update.
Fortunately, there is a already a solution to all of these problems: the
*-announce mailing lists and their on-line archives.

>  I guess I should also have been checking x.cygwin.com -- but
> even that only has a short mention of an upgrade, with a pointer to
> the announcement, which mostly talks about stuff that I do not know or
> care about: something called XCB, some "composite extension", some
> "XVideo extension", and so on. 

In other words, you're using something you don't understand -- but which
hasn't changed in over two years because there was no maintainer (BTW,
that's a /bad/ thing).  So, you've had years to "get used to" the way
that old version work(ed) -- by years' worth of trial and error,
apparently, as you never tried to educate yourself on exactly what you
were using.

Meanwhile the actual non-cygwin development of X rolled forward, thru a
MAJOR restructuring.  This restructuring and rewrite caused a few
headaches even over in linux-land -- but that was more than a year ago
for them, because we (cygwin) are so far behind.

So, when we finally catch up...we can expect the some of the same
headaches. And reasonable users with an ounce of curiosity -- or a
modicum of caution -- were all well-informed of the possibility.

Others, perhaps, were not so well informed.

Which is not to say that ANY specific headache was predicted, or
predictable -- or even preventable. If some *specific* problem were
predicted and preventable, Yaakov & Jon would have done so.  In fact,
they did.  There's a thousand things that /didn't/ go wrong.

> Yes, I should have followed the
> "upgrade instructions" section, and that would have helped, but would
> not have prepared me for the unholy mess that was to follow.

Counterfactual. IF you had followed the proper instructions, then
something different would have happened; we don't know exactly what, nor
 /how many/ things would have gone wrong in that hypothetical case.  Of
your complaints, most of them WERE addressed in the original
announcement message. Of the remainder, would one or two minor problems
qualify as an "unholy mess"?

There's also one basic computer-related common-sense policy that your
practices violate: if Adobe Premiere installs a bunch of files, and you
EDIT one of them -- unless it is a configuration file -- you can EXPECT
that Adobe Premiere will feel free to over-write the file on its next
upgrade. Premiere installed the file, it's not a user configuration file
-- it OWNS that file. Not you. Don't be surprised when your
"customizations" go poof.  If you want to customize a non-con

Re: Upgrade woes.

[Dont Care]

> >
> > How does the location of the startup batch file affect the behavior of
> > numlock and capslock in xterm?
> >
>
> Yes. The batch file is different. The binary is different. The
> environment variables are different. For example this is in the old
> batch file but not in the new one.
>
> SET XAPPLRESDIR=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults
> SET XCMSDB=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Xcms.txt
> SET XKEYSYMDB=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
> SET XNLSPATH=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale
>
> I suspect that XKEYSYMDB one has something to do with the problem you're
> having. The new file doesn't assign these variables at all, and runs a
> different binary.

I just re-installed Cygwin on my machine, deleted my .bash_profile,
.bashrc and .Xdefaults in my home, and I still have the same
numlock/capslock issue.

My config is quite standard : Windows XP SP2. It is easily
reproductible I guess.

BTW, in startxwin.bat, this line :
SET CYGWIN_ROOT=\cygwin
is true only if you install Cygwin in the default path. I had to
change it to match my configuration, otherwise the "XWin Server" does
not work.

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Re: Upgrade woes.

[Tim Prince]

Back, Michael wrote:

> 
> My point is that relying on a user to have the forethought, time, and 
> patience to scour through a mailing list archive is probably not the most 
> effective or convenient form of communicating common upgrade problems and 
> solutions.
> 
Asking thousands of people to answer a question which you could have
entered into Google falls short in convenience as well.

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Re: Small update for X server 1.5.3 patch set

[Jon TURNEY]

Please find at the URL below another small update to the xorg server patch set.

http://www.dronecode.org.uk/cygwin/from-xming-patch-set-20081120.tar.bz2

This contains patches taken from the Xming website
http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/

Thanks to Colin Harrison for his permission to use them.

* A bunch of clipboard correctness fixes (there are still more fixes related 
to race conditions on multiprocessor systems that need integrating)


* Always enable built-in fonts; disable other FPEs if --enable-builtin-fonts

I've reworked this last one slightly from the form you had it in, but I've 
just realized now that your version was actually correct.  If BUILTIN_FONTS is 
defined, we want to disable the other FPE handlers.


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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

[Jon TURNEY]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:14:33PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:

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Jon TURNEY wrote:

I've finished off a first pass at updating the cygwin-x-doc package I started
some time ago.  Updating the text was a bit less traumatic than expected as it
makes good use of entities for things like filenames and paths

Interestingly there are CVS repositories for this package at both
sourceware.org and at X.org.  The X.Org one seems to be more up to date, and
seems to contain some (formatting) changes after the 1.0.4 package was made.

That's certainly possible, but given that X.Org CVS is obsolete (in
favour of git) and neither of us have X.Org commit privileges, I think
we should move development back to sourceware.


I suspect that will mean that Jon will need write access to the CVS
repository.  If so, he should fill out the "handy dandy little form" at:
http://sourceware.org, select cygwin-xfree as the project and use either
Yaakov or me as the approver.

You can put whatever you like in this repository of course.


Thanks.

I have pushed cygwin-x-docs 1.0.4, then the current X.Org HEAD and then my
changes to /cvs/cygwin-xfree/docs.

I'm guessing I can't update the live version as it's in a different repository.


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Problem with OpenGL on new X serverl

[Florent Fievez]

Hello,

I have a problem running new X server 1.5.3 with openGL. Since this
update, X crash when launching an OpenGL client from SunOS server.
Since the application we are developing use OpenGL, it's a big problem
for me (I have to use an exceed commercial xserver for testing our
application).

So is there a known solution, patch or other to this issue ?

Or in alternative, can I revert update to reinstall the old version of
X server before 11/11 upgrade ?

Thank you in advance,

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Re: Upgrade woes.

[Eric Roode]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:43:19 -0500, cygwin at cwilson dot fastmail dot fm wrote:
> Eric Roode wrote:
> > I updated my cygwin the other day, as I periodically do, and I am very
> > sorry I did so.  Here are some of the problems I have encountered.
>
> It has always been the advice of this list that you should read the
> announcements on cygwin-announce@ and cygwin-xfree-announce before
> upgrading blindly.

How amusingly recursive:  "It has always been the advice of the
mailing lists that you should check the mailing lists before
upgrading"  :-)

I did not check the *-announce lists before running setup.  I did
not know of their existence.  To me, mailing lists are for developers,
groupies, and people with tech supp problems, not something to be
subscribed to and monitored by ordinary users on an ongoing basis -- I
have enough noise in my inbox as it is.

I do check www.cygwin.com before doing (what I think is going to
be) a routine upgrade.  If there's nothing in the news there, I assume
that what I'm getting is just an upgrade of existing packages that I
already have installed.  Is that such a foolish assumption?

The flaw in my cunning plan, it seems, is that www.cygwin.com is
*never* updated, except to note an occasional upgrade to the DLL
itself.  I guess I should also have been checking x.cygwin.com -- but
even that only has a short mention of an upgrade, with a pointer to
the announcement, which mostly talks about stuff that I do not know or
care about: something called XCB, some "composite extension", some
"XVideo extension", and so on.  Yes, I should have followed the
"upgrade instructions" section, and that would have helped, but would
not have prepared me for the unholy mess that was to follow.

>  Now, often you can get away with /not/ doing that, d
> nothing bad will happen.  But if I ran setup, and saw 157 new packages
> about to be upgraded...I might want to investigate a little before
> clicking "continue".

Where do you see "157 new packages about to be upgraded"?  setup
says no such thing.

I have been making the assumption, apparently a stupid one, that
when you run setup and don't choose to install anything new, it checks
for upgrades to the stuff you have already installed, and goes ahead
and patches what you have.  I don't look to see how much new stuff
there is -- why should I?  I just click "next" and go.  I did notice
that the download and upgrade took much longer than usual.  Know what
I thought? "Gee, there must be some major security fix to a whole lot
of packages."

>
> But, as always, it's up to you. We'll happily refund all the money you paid.

I too contribute to the open-source community, and I have always
disliked this snarky answer.  "It's free -- what did you expect,
quality? Service?"  Well yes, I do.  You'll never get far in the
closed-source-commercial vs open-source-community argument if you keep
falling back on "it's free" as an excuse not to document, not to
support.

Eric

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Re: Small update for X server 1.5.3 patch set

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Jon TURNEY wrote:
> Works for me.
> 
> Note that you don't actually need to the formatting of the log file name
> yourself, LogInit() already has code to replace "%s" in the log file name with
> the display name.

I was aware of that, but it wasn't behaving as I expected.  Then I
figured out that we should be doing something with what LogInit
return()s.  Revised patch in SVN.

> If your going to do a release soon-ish, you might considered disabling the
> call to winRestoreModeKeyStates() in winmultiwindowwndproc.c.  The code which
> tries to synchronize locking key states (e.g. caps lock, etc.) between X and
> Windows has broken, so is now toggling the modifiers in X every time an X
> window gains focus.  Having the lock state in X just unsynchronized instead
> might be marginally less irritating until I get a chance to work on a proper 
> fix.

Committed.  Could you please test?


Yaakov
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XWin requires tty for console log output

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Jon,

For some reason which I have yet to investigate, XWin requires a tty to
the log to the terminal.  That means it will output to terminal in VTs,
but will not work in ordinary cmd/bash shells without setting
CYGWIN=tty; instead you will see a cmd window briefly flashing on screen
when launched.

Have you seen anything that would be causing this?


Yaakov
Cygwin/X
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