Re: Finally on Sylpheed
Jim George wrote: On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Nicholas Wourms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's a good idea! Has anyone heard what happened to the port of Evolution? Someone said (I think) that there was to be a port to cygwin? Jim, The last I heard, evolution has been around for millions of years, give or take an eon. Seriously though, I would be hard pressed to use that piece of s**t. That turncoat Miguel deIcaza is being quite the hypocrite by keeping the Exchange server access functionality closed source (and for a fee). You see I was in the community when the whole Rasterman/deIcaza merger happened and the e-desktop became gnome. I rember how he evangilized free software and the opensource movement, and scoffed at anyone who didn't release the source to the software they were working on. Personally, I will not use GNOME because of this [KDE is better anyhow], and if I could get away with it, I wouldn't use gtk either. As for evolution, it is too bulky, too buggy, and just plain ugly. Stick with Sylpheed or better yet, Pine! Cheers, Nicholas Nicholas, boy did I touch a nerve ;) As it happens I like both sylpheed and pine (especially the latter, if only that could become a GUI). However I have to say that Evolution is probably the strongest Linux x-mail client I've come across in all my years with Linux. It's a real shame that deIcaza should have sold out in this way as it would have been a real killer application in the workplace. Everything De Icaza and Ximian does is open source except one peace of code that is used to connect to an expensive propriety email server. Without this connector thing evolution email client is fully usable and open source as is ximian gnome, red carpet, mono, ... Staf. PS: Live would be so much easier when people would just try having fun with computing and not consider it as some kind of religion. Live would be so much easier when people would not try to tell to other people what they should like or should not like.
Re: Finally on Sylpheed
--- Staf Verhaegen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything De Icaza and Ximian does is open source except one peace of code that is used to connect to an expensive propriety email server. Without this connector thing evolution email client is fully usable and open source as is ximian gnome, red carpet, mono, ... They could have a million things that were opensource and one closed source product but it still wouldn't matter. I'm not against closed source software, all I ask is that you practice what you preach. To him, opensource is(was) a religion, and yet still he refuses to opensource every bit of his software. 'Nuff said. This is way off-topic anyhow. PS: Live would be so much easier when people would just try having fun with computing and not consider it as some kind of religion. Live would be so much easier when people would not try to tell to other people what they should like or should not like. Who's telling people what to like? AFAICT, Jim and I were having an exchange of opinions. What you do with those opinions is entirely up to you. I'm having fun, aren't you? Cheers, Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: Finally on Sylpheed
Staf Verhaegen wrote: Jim George wrote: On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Nicholas Wourms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's a good idea! Has anyone heard what happened to the port of Evolution? Someone said (I think) that there was to be a port to cygwin? Jim, The last I heard, evolution has been around for millions of years, give or take an eon. Seriously though, I would be hard pressed to use that piece of s**t. That turncoat Miguel deIcaza is being quite the hypocrite by keeping the Exchange server access functionality closed source (and for a fee). You see I was in the community when the whole Rasterman/deIcaza merger happened and the e-desktop became gnome. I rember how he evangilized free software and the opensource movement, and scoffed at anyone who didn't release the source to the software they were working on. Personally, I will not use GNOME because of this [KDE is better anyhow], and if I could get away with it, I wouldn't use gtk either. As for evolution, it is too bulky, too buggy, and just plain ugly. Stick with Sylpheed or better yet, Pine! Cheers, Nicholas Nicholas, boy did I touch a nerve ;) As it happens I like both sylpheed and pine (especially the latter, if only that could become a GUI). However I have to say that Evolution is probably the strongest Linux x-mail client I've come across in all my years with Linux. It's a real shame that deIcaza should have sold out in this way as it would have been a real killer application in the workplace. Everything De Icaza and Ximian does is open source except one peace of code that is used to connect to an expensive propriety email server. Without this connector thing evolution email client is fully usable and open source as is ximian gnome, red carpet, mono, ... Staf. PS: Live would be so much easier when people would just try having fun with computing and not consider it as some kind of religion. Live would be so much easier when people would not try to tell to other people what they should like or should not like. Anything further regarding the merits of Evolution, etc. is off topic for this mailing list. Harold
Re: Finally on Sylpheed
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Nicholas Wourms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's a good idea! Has anyone heard what happened to the port of Evolution? Someone said (I think) that there was to be a port to cygwin? Jim, The last I heard, evolution has been around for millions of years, give or take an eon. Seriously though, I would be hard pressed to use that piece of s**t. That turncoat Miguel deIcaza is being quite the hypocrite by keeping the Exchange server access functionality closed source (and for a fee). You see I was in the community when the whole Rasterman/deIcaza merger happened and the e-desktop became gnome. I rember how he evangilized free software and the opensource movement, and scoffed at anyone who didn't release the source to the software they were working on. Personally, I will not use GNOME because of this [KDE is better anyhow], and if I could get away with it, I wouldn't use gtk either. As for evolution, it is too bulky, too buggy, and just plain ugly. Stick with Sylpheed or better yet, Pine! Cheers, Nicholas Nicholas, boy did I touch a nerve ;) As it happens I like both sylpheed and pine (especially the latter, if only that could become a GUI). However I have to say that Evolution is probably the strongest Linux x-mail client I've come across in all my years with Linux. It's a real shame that deIcaza should have sold out in this way as it would have been a real killer application in the workplace. Jim
Re: Finally on Sylpheed
--- Jim George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I say finally but of course the fun is just beginning for me:) I now have sylpheed (the X Mail Client) running under cygwin-X and it's very good, there are some items that could be beefed up/improved upon (and I shall offer whatever help I'm able to) but on the whole very good. So that this isn't one of those mails that just takes up bandwidth... To create it you need glib-1.2.10 and gtk.1.2.10 or above, also libiconv (this is already part of the main setup for cygwin, although you need to specifically select it), and of course you need sylpheed (current release is 0.8.0). You can get glib and gtk at ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/1.2 You can get sylpheed at http://sylpheed.good-day.net You need to make one alteration in the glib package for it to compile. Comment out line 705 of gstrfuncs.c and it will compile flawlessly. Can the lis let me know if there is interest in a X Mail Client for cygwin, in which case I'll investigate becoming a maintainter for the list? Jim, Why don't you wait until Lapo releases the glib/gtk packages. That way you can link to them dynamically. Cheers, Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: Finally on Sylpheed
At 23:16 2002-07-24, Jim George wrote: I say finally but of course the fun is just beginning for me:) I now have sylpheed (the X Mail Client) running under cygwin-X ... Can the lis let me know if there is interest in a X Mail Client for cygwin, in which case I'll investigate becoming a maintainter for the list? Cheers, Jim Jim, I'm very interested in a cross-platform replacement for Eudora (for two big reasons: first, I want to get free of Windows but need a transition from my current development environment, which is Windows 2000, and second I want a mailer with message threading, which the Sylpheed FAQ claims is an available option). So yes, I'm very interested in a XFree86/Cygwin port of Sylpheed. Randall Schulz Mountain View, CA USA
Re: Finally on Sylpheed
Hi Jim, I use cygwin-sylpheed for almost an year. It has become my main email client. Of course I am interested that anybody becomes the maintainter of this great program. Furthermore I am interested in an official cygwin glib/gtk port. -Jack
Finally on Sylpheed
I say finally but of course the fun is just beginning for me:) I now have sylpheed (the X Mail Client) running under cygwin-X and it's very good, there are some items that could be beefed up/improved upon (and I shall offer whatever help I'm able to) but on the whole very good. So that this isn't one of those mails that just takes up bandwidth... To create it you need glib-1.2.10 and gtk.1.2.10 or above, also libiconv (this is already part of the main setup for cygwin, although you need to specifically select it), and of course you need sylpheed (current release is 0.8.0). You can get glib and gtk at ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/1.2 You can get sylpheed at http://sylpheed.good-day.net You need to make one alteration in the glib package for it to compile. Comment out line 705 of gstrfuncs.c and it will compile flawlessly. Can the lis let me know if there is interest in a X Mail Client for cygwin, in which case I'll investigate becoming a maintainter for the list? Cheers, Jim
