RE: RE: RE: Two issues with Xwin
* Ronald Fischer (Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:20:18 +0200) Thorsten wrote: I have two issues that I've been experiencing for quite a long time: * using a terminal and a shell I often have to enter Enter or Tab twice to get the desired effect. How come? [...] At the time the OP had just mentioned the problem, I thought that indeed the differences could be cygwin related: When I run my X11 rxvt (from startxwin.bat), different dot files in my home directory are sourced than when I start a shell from the command line (outside X). There is no mystery about this and has to do with the rules according to which the shells (bash, zsh,...) read their dot-files. But in the last mail, the OP said he has ONLY one dot-file, i.e. .zshrc, (meaning it will be read in every interactive shell, be it login shell or not) AND he is using zsh in both cases, AND he has no settings related to completion, AND still completion works in a different way in both cases. To track down this mystery, I think it is worth digging down what other configuration files (besides those in $HOME) might affect zsh. Since I am not that big an zsh expert, and since no other posting so far (unless I missed one) gave any information about zsh, I think it was a reasonable advice to post this issue to the zsh mailing list as well - don't you think so? Fine, they COULD have different zsh binaries sourcing different environment files, but it's far more likely that Cygwin/X is misbehaving than that Thorsten somehow managed to find a zsh binary that sometimes eats the enter key. As for the enter key, you are right. In his first posting, Thorsten mentioned the Enter or Tab key on the first try. Since both keys are used in the context of completion, I guessed it was a completion issue - and Thorsten at least did not directly contradict this. You seem to suggest that he meant that in *every* usage of enter and tab, the first one has been eaten? If this were the case, it would indeed change the picture, and maybe Thorsten could clarify this issue. It's not Zsh that's eating my Enter (or Tab) key but X (or maybe the terminal emulator). It doesn't happen all the time but often. I can't find any pattern in this. Sometimes I think that I'm just stupid and don't press that Enter key hard enough but that can't be the reason. Why would Konsole require the Enter key to be pressed harder?! I'm using Konsole (either via X forwarding or the Konsole Cygwin exe) so I don't whether it happens with other terminals. I don't use Rxvt under X because I looks very ugly and I can't make it display my preferred font (Dejavu Mono). Thorsten -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: RE: RE: RE: Two issues with Xwin
It's not Zsh that's eating my Enter (or Tab) key but X (or maybe the terminal emulator). It doesn't happen all the time but often. I can't find any pattern in this. I sometimes find that I have to wait 10-40 seconds or so until the completions are shown. Or, when I do a ls /usr/bin (for instance), sometimes I see the result immediately, sometimes it takes 10-15 seconds after pressing the enter key, until the files are displayed. Could be attributed in my case to networking issues (my $HOME is on a Samba-mounted netdrive), so it could be a timing/caching issue. But this does, of course, not explain why your two terminals should behave differently. You did not say how frequent this occurs. Could it be that it happens rarely enough, that just by accident you have observed it only with one terminal type, but not with the other? Does the X terminal sometimes eat other keys too when you are typing fast? And I still would find it worth a try - despite what has been suggested earlier in this thread - to see whether the same behaviour exists with bash (or other applications reading keystrokes). Ronald -- Ronald Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +49-89-452133-162 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: RE: RE: Two issues with Xwin
* Ronald Fischer (Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:57:34 +0200) This suggest that different dot-files are sourced in the two cases. When I run bash (in my case) either from cmd or started by XWin, I also have differences in which dot-files are sourced, so this is the first place you might want to look. There is just one configuration file in this case: ~/.zshrc. H this should be sourced every time you have an interactive shell. And I don't have any setting that would have the do nothing on the first enter; wait for the second enter effect. I guess you mean: wait for the second *tab* etc. In this case, the correct behaviour should *always* be (I think) to show that part of the completion, which is unique, on the first press of tab, and show a list of all possible completions on the second press of tab. If it is not due to different settings in your shells, I have no idea why anymore why both shells behave different (stupid question: You are sure that you have the same zsh called in both cases? What does echo $ZSH_VERSION say in rxvt, respectively CMD window?) Maybe this is the point where you should repost this problem to the zsh folks. Not only it doesn't look that much like a Cygwin issue to me, but I remember that on the zsh mailing list (http://zsh.dotsrc.org/Doc/Release/zsh_2.html#SEC6), there are also quite a few Cygwin users hanging around, so your problem will for sure be understood there. Ronald -- Ronald Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +49-89-452133-162 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: RE: RE: Two issues with Xwin
Thorsten wrote: I have two issues that I've been experiencing for quite a long time: * using a terminal and a shell I often have to enter Enter or Tab twice to get the desired effect. How come? Ronald wrote: Which effect do you desire? (Filename completion, command completion, ...)? Thorsten wrote: The desired effect for the Enter key would be to normal enter function of a shell. Tab should do file and command completion. ... I don't think the content of $INPUTRC is relevant when talking about Enter and Tab having no effect on the first try. ... And I don't have any setting that would have the do nothing on the first enter; wait for the second enter effect. Ronald wrote: I guess you mean: wait for the second *tab* etc. SO, my question to Ronald is: Have you read anything in this thread, or just posted to it a lot? It's obviously NOT a zsh problem if it doesn't happen in Windows RXVT but does happen in X11 RXVT. Fine, they COULD have different zsh binaries sourcing different environment files, but it's far more likely that Cygwin/X is misbehaving than that Thorsten somehow managed to find a zsh binary that sometimes eats the enter key. If you can't take the time to read a thread, you really oughtn't post to it. Maybe this is the point where you should repost this problem to the zsh folks. Not only it doesn't look that much like a Cygwin issue to me, but I remember that on the zsh mailing list there are also quite a few Cygwin users hanging around Again, read better, or at least research. Thorsten IS one of the Cygwin people who hangs around the zsh mailing lists. The only thing worse than no answer to a question is a wrong answer that keeps being repeated. Do Thorsten a favor and stop talking. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Two issues with Xwin
* using a terminal and a shell I often have to enter Enter or Tab twice to get the desired effect. How come? Which effect do you desire? (Filename completion, command completion, ...)? Which shell? How did you configure it? (i.e. if you are talking about readline functionality, what's the content of your .inputrc, and did you make sure it gets read?). Ronald -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Two issues with Xwin
On 08/25/2007, Thorsten Kampe wrote: * I regularly lose the mouse pointer and I'm unable to the the cursor anymore in applications like Konsole (either natively or running as X client on a Linux host). The mouse still works if I blindly click somewhere, just the cursor is gone. This happens with -lesspointer or without. Any ideas? Known issue. Use the option off the context menu of the X icon in your status bar to show the cursor again. That's the current work-around. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 429-6305 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Two issues with Xwin
* Ronald Fischer (Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:42:20 +0200) * using a terminal and a shell I often have to enter Enter or Tab twice to get the desired effect. How come? Which effect do you desire? (Filename completion, command completion, ...)? The desired effect for the Enter key would be to normal enter function of a shell. Tab should do file and command completion. Which shell? zsh How did you configure it? (i.e. if you are talking about readline functionality, what's the content of your .inputrc, and did you make sure it gets read?). I don't think the content of $INPUTRC is relevant when talking about Enter and Tab having no effect on the first try. Anyway, I have no problem with that in rxvt or cmd - only in X. Thorsten -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Two issues with Xwin
Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Larry Hall (Cygwin X) (Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:10:28 -0400) On 08/25/2007, Thorsten Kampe wrote: * I regularly lose the mouse pointer and I'm unable to the the cursor anymore in applications like Konsole (either natively or running as X client on a Linux host). The mouse still works if I blindly click somewhere, just the cursor is gone. This happens with -lesspointer or without. Any ideas? Known issue. Use the option off the context menu of the X icon in your status bar to show the cursor again. That's the current work-around. Okay, thanks, worked. Do you have some background information why this happens and when? Because I have the feeling that sometime it happens after a few minutes and sometimes after hours or not at all. No, I don't. You can check the email archives for more, though I don't recall if there was more in the way of specific details or not. It is definitely a random occurrence. I don't see it very much myself but I do use the Xming server more regularly than the Cygwin version. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 429-6305 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: RE: Two issues with Xwin
* Ronald Fischer (Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:57:34 +0200) This suggest that different dot-files are sourced in the two cases. When I run bash (in my case) either from cmd or started by XWin, I also have differences in which dot-files are sourced, so this is the first place you might want to look. There is just one configuration file in this case: ~/.zshrc. And I don't have any setting that would have the do nothing on the first enter; wait for the second enter effect. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
