Re: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
Already know this (I develop for Wine Emulator :)) But that's ok to review point after point to see a failure somewhere. So, you are reporting this problem for an actual version of Windows, then, i.e., you're not trying to run setup.exe on Wine, right? cgf No, it's a real Windows :) I'm having these problems on my own workstation. I'm afraid kde-cygwin 2.2.1-alpha has no setup.ini at this time, this would be great :=). Off-topic : Think that Wine doesn't need wininit to function : every file can be overwritten even if in use and wininit has a replacement because it doesn't function (it reports that it cannot be launched from Windows) ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
Ilya, Very interesting. On Windows NT 3.1, 4.0, Windows 2000, and (I believe) Windows XP you don't use the wininit.ini approach. There is a new function (only about 8 years old now) called MoveFileEx that can be passed the flag MOVEFILE_DELAY_UNTIL_REBOOT which stores a list of files to be moved upon reboot in the registry at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\PendingFileRenameOperations Robert may want to comment on whether this method is used or not in setup.exe. In any case the list of files to move could contain several thousand entries if the XFree86 fonts packages are to be replaced upon reboot. This would take several minutes to move. It was probably not a good thing that you aborted this process... my guess is that it would have completed successfully in ten to twenty minutes :) P.S. I guess the other burning question is why did setup.exe decide that it couldn't overwrite the Xfree files even though Xfree wasn't in use? Think about your programmatic options here. You are trying to determine if the files in the XFree86 packages are being used, so you can: 1) Assume that if cygwin1.dll is being used then *all* packages are being used. When cygwin1.dll is not being used this allows you to install each file with a single function call (i.e. MoveFile). However, when cygwin1.dll is being used you have to either use wininit.ini or use MoveFileEx with MOVEFILE_DELAY_UNTIL_REBOOT for every single file. 2) Attempt to move each file individually; upon failure, add the file to the wininit.ini list or call MoveFileEx with MOVEFILE_DELAY_UNTIL_REBOOT. You've got a problem here: what if a program opens a file, reads part of it, closes the file, then opens it again later and resumes reading where it left off? You're going to get into trouble if you replace such a file out from under a running process. On the other hand, Linux seems to think that this is allowable, as Linux lets you overwrite any file, regardless of whether it is being used. The main problem with this method is that for every file that is being used (could be thousands) you have to make two functions calls instead of just one (one to find out it is being used, one to add it to the list of files to replace upon reboot). I'm guessing that Cygwin's setup.exe uses a method similar to the method I described in (1), but I'll wait for Robert to comment on this. Perhaps Cygwin's setup.exe should consider using a method similar to (2), if it doesn't already. In related news: I think I'm going to hold off on making any wide-spread announcements about Cygwin/XFree86 being available via setup.exe. I'm not comfortable with the installation process causing several minute delays in starting the PC and in the possibility of the wininit.ini becoming too large or not preserving long filenames. Harold -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ilya Goldin Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: xfree86 install makes wininit not working Harold Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Basically: do we need to pull the Cygwin/XFree86 setup.exe release for now, or can I go on with making changes to the web page, etc to announce the release? Personal experience: I installed Xfree via the new setup.exe routine over an existing 4.2.0 installation. At the time, I was running rxvt and openssh, but not running Xfree. Cygwin warned me I'd have to restart to replace files. When I restarted, Win2K (which is what I'm running here, with all the latest patches), got stuck at the end of its second start-up screen (the first one is text-mode, the second one has the pretty W2K logo and a blue progress indicator). I could see my HD light blinking, and the PC was obviously doing something, but it remained stuck on this screen for several minutes. This repeated after a hard reset (couldn't do a soft one). Ultimately, I had to boot into the F8-on-startup screen, and go with last known good config. Only that got me back into W2K. (I was getting pretty worried by this time!) Having read the list since, I surmise that the WININIT.INI routine was replacing files during that start-up screen delay, but it took so ridiculously long (on a Pentium II 400, w/ 256 RAM), that I had to do several hard restarts to get anywhere, and ended up aborting that procedure anyway. (After which I deleted my entire Cygwin setup and reinstalled from scratch.) Notes from the field, ig P.S. I guess the other burning question is why did setup.exe decide that it couldn't overwrite the Xfree files even though Xfree wasn't in use? -- Ilya Goldin www.pitt.edu/~goldin
Re: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 03:15:05PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: In related news: I think I'm going to hold off on making any wide-spread announcements about Cygwin/XFree86 being available via setup.exe. I'm not comfortable with the installation process causing several minute delays in starting the PC and in the possibility of the wininit.ini becoming too large or not preserving long filenames. FWIW, I agree. We don't want a flood of requests from people reporting problems. cgf
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
-Original Message- From: Ilya Goldin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:52 AM When I restarted, Win2K (which is what I'm running here, with all the latest patches), got stuck at the end of its second ... Having read the list since, I surmise that the WININIT.INI There is no WININIT.INI on NT. There is an equivalent on-boot process however. P.S. I guess the other burning question is why did setup.exe decide that it couldn't overwrite the Xfree files even though Xfree wasn't in use? Send in your /var/logs/setup.log.full and /var/logs/setup.log and I'll see what I can tell you. Rob
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
Robert, Hmm. What happens if you supply a (say) 16Kb subset of the wininit.ini file to windows ME - does it process it correctly? Rob Hi Rob, Renaming is done - but now renamed file haved 8.3 names with ~ and are unusable, I think, by X, since names are incorrect - too bad. What's your prognosis on this? Is this a problem that is specific to Sylvain's machine or is this going to be a problem because Cygwin/XFree86 has over 4000 files in the font directories? Is there some limit to the allowed size of wininit.ini, or did you suggest testing a subset simply to see if one of the commands in the latter part of the file was invalid? Basically: do we need to pull the Cygwin/XFree86 setup.exe release for now, or can I go on with making changes to the web page, etc to announce the release? Harold
Re: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 12:59:26PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: What's your prognosis on this? Is this a problem that is specific to Sylvain's machine or is this going to be a problem because Cygwin/XFree86 has over 4000 files in the font directories? I haven't come to a root cause yet. Have you actually duplicated the problem, Robert? Maybe I've missed something but I don't think I've seen an indication that this isn't just a Wine problem. cgf
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
-Original Message- From: Christopher Faylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: xfree86 install makes wininit not working On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 12:59:26PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: What's your prognosis on this? Is this a problem that is specific to Sylvain's machine or is this going to be a problem because Cygwin/XFree86 has over 4000 files in the font directories? I haven't come to a root cause yet. Have you actually duplicated the problem, Robert? Maybe I've missed something but I don't think I've seen an indication that this isn't just a Wine problem. The user reported the problem as being under Windows ME. Rob
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
Robert, Cygwin's setup.exe doesn't use wininit.ini, does it? I'm going to guess that the answer is something along the lines of no way in hell, but I figure I had better check with you. Harold -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: xfree86 install makes wininit not working And here it begins... Cygwin/XFree86 has its own mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want help you should ask the experts. I've redirected this message there. cgf On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 03:59:32AM +0200, Sylvain Petreolle wrote: Hi, I wanted to update my existing Xfree86-4.2.0-1 installation. So i choose a default Xfree86 installation. All files downloaded correct, and i was told that everything was ok. But at reboot, a 65497 bytes wininit.ini wants to rename/rewrite 627 files, and no one is replaced (wininit.ini isn't even renamed to .bak) This damn thing makes windows write Please wait while updating your configuration files... every time I reboot if I don't rename the file. could the fact that wininit.ini is too big make it fail ? I'm running it under Windows Me.
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
-Original Message- From: Harold Hunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Robert Collins Subject: RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working Robert, Cygwin's setup.exe doesn't use wininit.ini, does it? I'm going to guess that the answer is something along the lines of no way in hell, but I figure I had better check with you. It does, via the proscribed windows API to perform copy-on-reboot for in-use files in win95. Windows is meant to perform the copies before loading the GUI, and then remove the ini entries after it does that. If I could get some details - the /var/log/setup.log and setup.log.full, and the machine layout (where windows cygwin etc are), and a copy of the ineffective wininit.ini, I will see what I can figure out. As to why this happened, I assume that the user was running X at the same time as installing it via setup.exe. Rob
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
I realised the ini file was present in Sylvain's email. Sylvain - do the .NEW files exist? Are the paths correct? ROb
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
It does, via the proscribed windows API to perform copy-on-reboot for in-use files in win95. Windows is meant to perform the copies before loading the GUI, and then remove the ini entries after it does that. Already know this (I develop for Wine Emulator :)) But that's ok to review point after point to see a failure somewhere. If I could get some details - the /var/log/setup.log and setup.log.full, and the machine layout (where windows cygwin etc are), and a copy of the ineffective wininit.ini, I will see what I can figure out. Ok, I attached them. cygcheck -s -r -v follows separately (Yahoo doesn't allow 3 attachments per message). As to why this happened, I assume that the user was running X at the same time as installing it via setup.exe. Rob I just updated Cygwin via typing http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe in IE 6. Cygwin-X wasn't running at the time. Even Cygwin itself wasn't running. ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com setup.log.gz Description: setup.log.gz 2002/04/20 00:28:24 Starting cygwin install, version 2.194.2.24 2002/04/20 00:28:24 Current Directory: C:\Program Files\GOA 2002/04/20 00:28:24 Command line parameters 2002/04/20 00:28:24 0 - 'C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\KHQ7W5QN\setup[1].exe' 2002/04/20 00:28:24 1 parameters passed 2002/04/20 00:28:28 source: network install 2002/04/20 00:28:31 root: C:/cygwin binary user 2002/04/20 00:28:34 Ending cygwin install WININIT.INI.gz Description: WININIT.INI.gz
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
As I wrote in last message, I attached output of cygcheck. ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com Cygwin Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics Current System Time: Sat Apr 20 06:01:37 2002 Windows ME Ver 4.90 Build 3000 Path: . C:\cygwin\usr\local\bin C:\cygwin\bin C:\cygwin\bin c:\WINDOWS c:\WINDOWS\COMMAND SysDir: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM WinDir: C:\WINDOWS HOME = `C:\cygwin\home\Nom' MAKE_MODE = `unix' PWD = `/home/Nom' USER = `Nom' BLASTER = `A220 I5 D1 H7 P330 T6' CMDLINE = `bash --login -i' COMSPEC = `C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM' MANPATH = `:/usr/ssl/man' OLDPWD = `/usr/bin' PROMPT = `$p$g' PS1 = `\[\033]0;\w\007 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] $ ' SBPCI = `C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\AUDIO\DOSDRV' SHLVL = `1' TEMP = `c:\WINDOWS\TEMP' TERM = `cygwin' WINBOOTDIR = `C:\WINDOWS' WINDIR = `C:\WINDOWS' _ = `/usr/bin/cygcheck' HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs\Cygnus Solutions (default) = (unsupported type) HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\mounts v2 (default) = `/cygdrive' cygdrive flags = 0x0022 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\mounts v2\/ (default) = `C:/cygwin' flags = 0x0002 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\mounts v2\/usr/bin (default) = `C:/cygwin/bin' flags = 0x0002 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\mounts v2\/usr/lib (default) = `C:/cygwin/lib' flags = 0x0002 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\Program Options HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygnus Solutions HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\mounts v2 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin\Program Options a: fd N/AN/A c: hd FAT32 10234Mb 67% CPUN DISQUE C d: hd FAT32 4994Mb 62% CPUN DISQUE D e: hd FAT32 4994Mb 50% CPUN DISQUE E f: cd CDFS 619Mb 100% UN Collect6 g: cd N/AN/A h: cd N/AN/A C:/cygwin / userbinmode C:/cygwin/bin /usr/bin userbinmode C:/cygwin/lib /usr/lib userbinmode . /cygdrive userbinmode,noumount Found: C:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\cat.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\cpp.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\find.exe Found: c:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\find.exe Warning: C:\cygwin\bin\find.exe hides c:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\find.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\gcc.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\gdb.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\ld.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\ls.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\make.exe Found: C:\cygwin\bin\sh.exe 45k 2001/04/25 C:\cygwin\bin\cygform5.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygform5.dll v0.0 ts=2001/4/25 7:28 26k 2001/04/25 C:\cygwin\bin\cygmenu5.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygmenu5.dll v0.0 ts=2001/4/25 7:27 156k 2001/04/25 C:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses++5.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygncurses++5.dll v0.0 ts=2001/4/25 7:29 226k 2001/04/25 C:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses5.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygncurses5.dll v0.0 ts=2001/4/25 7:17 15k 2001/04/25 C:\cygwin\bin\cygpanel5.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygpanel5.dll v0.0 ts=2001/4/25 7:27 50k 2002/03/12 C:\cygwin\bin\cygz.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygz.dll v0.0 ts=2002/3/12 5:38 170k 2002/01/21 C:\cygwin\bin\cygpng2.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygpng2.dll v0.0 ts=2002/1/21 2:05 35k 2002/01/09 C:\cygwin\bin\cygform6.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygform6.dll v0.0 ts=2002/1/9 7:03 20k 2002/01/09 C:\cygwin\bin\cygmenu6.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygmenu6.dll v0.0 ts=2002/1/9 7:03 175k 2002/01/09 C:\cygwin\bin\cygncurses++6.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygncurses++6.dll v0.0 ts=2002/1/9 7:03 81k 2001/10/19 C:\cygwin\bin\cygitcl30.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygitcl30.dll v0.0 ts=2001/10/20 2:25 35k 2001/10/19 C:\cygwin\bin\cygitk30.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygitk30.dll v0.0 ts=2001/10/20 2:25 390k 2001/10/19 C:\cygwin\bin\cygtcl80.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygtcl80.dll v0.0 ts=2001/10/20 2:24 5k 2001/10/19 C:\cygwin\bin\cygtclpip80.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 10k 2001/10/19 C:\cygwin\bin\cygtclreg80.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygtclreg80.dll v0.0 ts=2001/10/20 2:24 623k 2001/10/19 C:\cygwin\bin\cygtk80.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0 cygtk80.dll v0.0 ts=2001/10/20 2:25 19k 2002/02/20 C:\cygwin\bin\cyggdbm.dll - os=4.0 img=1.0 sys=4.0
RE: xfree86 install makes wininit not working
--- Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I realised the ini file was present in Sylvain's email. Sylvain - do the .NEW files exist? Are the paths correct? ROb Yes, I checked for some of these, the .new exists in the correct paths (checked in dos box too to see if 8.3 names are correct, and they are). ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
