Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
On 09/05/2014 21:25, Lukas Haase wrote: On 2014-05-09 3:15, Jon TURNEY wrote: On 09/05/2014 00:27, Lukas Haase wrote: On 2014-05-08 5:15, Jon TURNEY wrote: I've built a snapshot [1], which adds a heuristic which ignores a 'program specified location' hint if the location is the origin, which you might like to try and see if that fixes your problem, but I'm not sure if that is the correct solution. I have just the issue that the exe does not seem to work for me. Is there anything special I need to consider? Sorry, my snapshot building script went wrong and the snapshot was broken. Try this one instead. ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx/x86/XWin.20140509-git-c4a16a6606868d3e.exe.bz2 Can't believe it, great! Works exactly as it should (just with the standard configuration, X :0 -multiwindow)!! Now I just hope that this 'patch' somehow finds its way into the trunk ;-) This fix is included is 1.15.1-3. On reflection, I think a better approach would be to look at _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE and if it's _NET_WM_TYPE_NORMAL or absent, ignore PPosition and place the window as we like, but that is not quite as straightforward to implement. -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
On 09/05/2014 00:27, Lukas Haase wrote: On 2014-05-08 5:15, Jon TURNEY wrote: So, do you have an example of this working as you would like on a unix system, and what is the window manager is that case? I am not sure if I get the question. What I could do is to login via VNC and see how the windows are placed are if they are placed the correct way? Is this what you mean? Unfortunately I have no chance to install Cadence locally and run it from a local, dual monitor setup from Linux because Cadence is a proprietary, expensive tool. I understand that. I am just looking for some evidence that it isn't a bug in the application, i.e. that it works correctly for *anyone* :D Knowing a window manager which places these windows correctly would also give me some source code to look at to work out what I need to change. I've built a snapshot [1], which adds a heuristic which ignores a 'program specified location' hint if the location is the origin, which you might like to try and see if that fixes your problem, but I'm not sure if that is the correct solution. I have just the issue that the exe does not seem to work for me. Is there anything special I need to consider? Sorry, my snapshot building script went wrong and the snapshot was broken. Try this one instead. ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx/x86/XWin.20140509-git-c4a16a6606868d3e.exe.bz2 -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
On 2014-05-09 3:15, Jon TURNEY wrote: On 09/05/2014 00:27, Lukas Haase wrote: On 2014-05-08 5:15, Jon TURNEY wrote: So, do you have an example of this working as you would like on a unix system, and what is the window manager is that case? I am not sure if I get the question. What I could do is to login via VNC and see how the windows are placed are if they are placed the correct way? Is this what you mean? Unfortunately I have no chance to install Cadence locally and run it from a local, dual monitor setup from Linux because Cadence is a proprietary, expensive tool. I understand that. I am just looking for some evidence that it isn't a bug in the application, i.e. that it works correctly for *anyone* :D Knowing a window manager which places these windows correctly would also give me some source code to look at to work out what I need to change. Hmm, what I just did is that I started a VNC session and used VNC. Everything seems to work as expected, new windows are /not/ placed at (0,0). Window manager is Gnome. However, as mentioned, this is clearly not a local multi-monitor X session :( I've built a snapshot [1], which adds a heuristic which ignores a 'program specified location' hint if the location is the origin, which you might like to try and see if that fixes your problem, but I'm not sure if that is the correct solution. I have just the issue that the exe does not seem to work for me. Is there anything special I need to consider? Sorry, my snapshot building script went wrong and the snapshot was broken. Try this one instead. ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx/x86/XWin.20140509-git-c4a16a6606868d3e.exe.bz2 Can't believe it, great! Works exactly as it should (just with the standard configuration, X :0 -multiwindow)!! Now I just hope that this 'patch' somehow finds its way into the trunk ;-) Luke -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
On 06/05/2014 22:54, Lukas Haase wrote: On 2014-05-05 13:03, Jon TURNEY wrote: On 04/05/2014 06:56, Lukas Haase wrote: I use Cygwin/X to display a CAD application on my Windows cient. For some reason new windows always open on the secondary display and I always need to manually drag them to my primary display. That's sooo annoying (since UNIX applications tend to open new windows on every action). I think that it's a bug that these windows are appearing at the top-left, rather than on the primary display, in that we don't distinguish well enough between the application asked us to place the window at 0x0 and the application didn't specify where to put the window It would help if you could give the name of this application, and can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then clicking on one of the window which gets placed incorrectly. Sure. It's Cadence Virtuoso/ADE. The xprop output is: [...] WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS): program specified location: 0, 0 program specified minimum size: 100 by 100 program specified maximum size: 3820 by 2500 Hmmm... There are 2 possible flags here: program specified location and user specified location (e.g. by using -geometry on the command line), and at the moment we honour them both. Now, it might be that the client expects to see some EWMH capabilities advertised by the multiwindow mode WM, the absence of which causes it to set this, or it only sets this after the window is placed, but if it always creates the window with that property, it's not clear how to fix this. (Just ignoring program specified location is tempting, but there are legitimate uses, for example a toolbar window which should be placed at the side) So, do you have an example of this working as you would like on a unix system, and what is the window manager is that case? I've built a snapshot [1], which adds a heuristic which ignores a 'program specified location' hint if the location is the origin, which you might like to try and see if that fixes your problem, but I'm not sure if that is the correct solution. (I also found a bug with how this hint is handled in 64-bit builds, but I don't think that affects you) [1] ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx/x86/XWin.20140508-git-c4a16a6606868d3e.exe.bz2 This is not how it behaves for me. Using -nomultiplemontiors, or an explicit -screen setting shows an appropriately sized root window when turning off Hide Root Window. (Although this is not terribly useful as you can move the Windows windows out of this area, which causes their contents to not be drawn) You are right. Further research shows me that my arguments never showed up in XWin.0.log. Maybe I there's a different bug here? I call XWin like this: C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -nomultimonitors And this appears in XWin.0.log: XWin was started with the following command line: X :0 -multiwindow You need to quote the whole command after bash's -c flag, otherwise they are interpreted as additional flags to bash. See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-command-line-args for an example. However, unfortunately this does not change anything: You are right that when I uncheck Hide Root window, the black root window *only* covers the primary monitor. That's good. But windows are *still* opened at the second monitor! What's even worse (and pretty astonishing to me): All X windows are *only* displayed correctly on the *secondary* display with the command line above. On the primary display, the window frames are shown but the windows are not drawn (they are transparent) and they do not accept mouse/keyboard input. So it's completely the opposite as it is intended ... Yes, it seems there is also something wrong with the translation between Windows (which has 0,0 at the top-left of the primary monitor) and X (which has 0,0 at the top-left of the virtual screen) coordinate spaces here. But even if that was fixed, there is still the problem of how X windows are supposed to behave when moved off the virtual screen (not allowed to move? empty?) Because of that, assuming that I can fix your problem with correct window placement, I am inclined to just disable the combination of -multiwindow and -screen. -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
Hi Jon, First of all, thank you so much for your effort! I am struggling for so long with the issue and I am so happy to see your encouragement here. On 2014-05-08 5:15, Jon TURNEY wrote: On 06/05/2014 22:54, Lukas Haase wrote: On 2014-05-05 13:03, Jon TURNEY wrote: [...] It would help if you could give the name of this application, and can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then clicking on one of the window which gets placed incorrectly. Sure. It's Cadence Virtuoso/ADE. The xprop output is: [...] WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS): program specified location: 0, 0 program specified minimum size: 100 by 100 program specified maximum size: 3820 by 2500 Hmmm... There are 2 possible flags here: program specified location and user specified location (e.g. by using -geometry on the command line), and at the moment we honour them both. Now, it might be that the client expects to see some EWMH capabilities advertised by the multiwindow mode WM, the absence of which causes it to set this, or it only sets this after the window is placed, but if it always creates the window with that property, it's not clear how to fix this. Thank you! I think I understand it (I am no X expert). (Just ignoring program specified location is tempting, but there are legitimate uses, for example a toolbar window which should be placed at the side) Sounds legitimate. Aside: Maybe it's possible to make this configurable via config or environment variable? (but I guess the X server does not see environment variables etc.) So, do you have an example of this working as you would like on a unix system, and what is the window manager is that case? I am not sure if I get the question. What I could do is to login via VNC and see how the windows are placed are if they are placed the correct way? Is this what you mean? Unfortunately I have no chance to install Cadence locally and run it from a local, dual monitor setup from Linux because Cadence is a proprietary, expensive tool. I've built a snapshot [1], which adds a heuristic which ignores a 'program specified location' hint if the location is the origin, which you might like to try and see if that fixes your problem, but I'm not sure if that is the correct solution. (I also found a bug with how this hint is handled in 64-bit builds, but I don't think that affects you) [1] ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx/x86/XWin.20140508-git-c4a16a6606868d3e.exe.bz2 Thanks so much for that! I have just the issue that the exe does not seem to work for me. Is there anything special I need to consider? I tried copying both, 63 and 32 bit versions to c:\cygwin\bin: 32 bit version gives: c:\cygwin\binXWin.new.32 XWin.new.32:./.libs/lt-XWin.c:233: FATAL: couldn't find XWin.new.32. And 64 bit gives: The application was unable to start correctly (0xc07b). Click OK to close the application. What bothers me is that my original XWin.exe has 2363943 Bytes (and the X icon) whereas your new versions are just 26624 and 27150 Byes (and no icon). c:\cygwin\binuname -a CYGWIN_NT-6.2-WOW64 think 1.7.29(0.272/5/3) 2014-04-07 13:44 i686 Cygwin [...] I call XWin like this: C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -nomultimonitors And this appears in XWin.0.log: XWin was started with the following command line: X :0 -multiwindow You need to quote the whole command after bash's -c flag, otherwise they are interpreted as additional flags to bash. See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-command-line-args for an example. Thanks but I think I have tried that already. It may be hard to believe but: c:\cygwin\var\log\xwindel XWin.0.log c:\cygwin\var\log\xwinC:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -nomultimonitors -foobar c:\cygwin\var\log\xwinc:\cygwin\bin\head -n 10 XWin.0.log Welcome to the XWin X Server Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project Release: 1.15.1.0 OS: CYGWIN_NT-6.2-WOW64 think 1.7.29(0.272/5/3) 2014-04-07 13:44 i686 OS: Windows 8 [Windows NT 6.2 build 9200] (WoW64) Package: version 1.15.1-1 built 2014-04-16 XWin was started with the following command line: X :0 -multiwindow c:\cygwin\var\log\xwin I made sure that XWin was not running before and waited after the call until I saw the tray icon. [...] What's even worse (and pretty astonishing to me): All X windows are *only* displayed correctly on the *secondary* display with the command line above. On the primary display, the window frames are shown but the windows are not drawn (they are transparent) and they do not accept mouse/keyboard input. So it's completely the opposite as it is intended ... Yes, it seems there is also something wrong with the translation between Windows (which has 0,0 at the top-left of the primary monitor) and X (which has 0,0 at the top-left of the virtual screen) coordinate spaces here. I mean something different
Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
Hi Jon, Thanks for helping! On 2014-05-05 13:03, Jon TURNEY wrote: On 04/05/2014 06:56, Lukas Haase wrote: I use Cygwin/X to display a CAD application on my Windows cient. For some reason new windows always open on the secondary display and I always need to manually drag them to my primary display. That's sooo annoying (since UNIX applications tend to open new windows on every action). I'm assuming that your secondary display is to the left of your primary display. Yes. Secondary: builtin laptop display (on left) Primary: main monitor (on right) If I do Identify, the laptop display is identified as 1 and the main monitor as 2. I think that it's a bug that these windows are appearing at the top-left, rather than on the primary display, in that we don't distinguish well enough between the application asked us to place the window at 0x0 and the application didn't specify where to put the window It would help if you could give the name of this application, and can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then clicking on one of the window which gets placed incorrectly. Sure. It's Cadence Virtuoso/ADE. The xprop output is: _WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 77728452 WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS): Client accepts input or input focus: True Initial state is Normal State. bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x200178 bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x200179 window id # of group leader: 0x21 _NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) =Icon (50 x 50): [...] _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 2097527 _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL _NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 744838078 _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0x200176 WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x21 _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 24636 WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = C WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = corn WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS): program specified location: 0, 0 program specified minimum size: 100 by 100 program specified maximum size: 3820 by 2500 window gravity: NorthWest WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST WM_CLASS(STRING) = Qt-subapplication, Virtuoso WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = Virtuoso® Schematic Editor L Editing: project sch1 schematic on corn _NET_WM_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = Virtuoso® Schematic Editor L Editing: project sch1 schematic on corn WM_NAME(STRING) = Virtuoso® Schematic Editor L Editing: project sch1 schematic on corn _NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = Virtuoso® Schematic Editor L Editing: project sch1 schematic on corn To avoid this, I want to disable the second monitor (and *only* use the primary). But whatever I do, XWin seems to ignore whatever I supply. For example, I start /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -nomultiplemonitors /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -screen 0 @1 -nomultiplemonitors /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -screen 0 @1 /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -mwextwm -screen 0 @1 -nomultiplemonitors and so on. Nothing works - everything as before. When I select Hide Root Window from the tray icon I see that the root window indeed covers both monitors. This is not how it behaves for me. Using -nomultiplemontiors, or an explicit -screen setting shows an appropriately sized root window when turning off Hide Root Window. (Although this is not terribly useful as you can move the Windows windows out of this area, which causes their contents to not be drawn) You are right. Further research shows me that my arguments never showed up in XWin.0.log. Maybe I there's a different bug here? I call XWin like this: C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/bash.exe -l -c /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -nomultimonitors And this appears in XWin.0.log: XWin was started with the following command line: X :0 -multiwindow However, if I directly start the XServer, XWin.exe -screen 0 @1 -multiwindow -nomultimonitors it works: XWin was started with the following command line: XWin -screen 0 @1 -multiwindow -nomultimonitors Why does startxwin.exe does not pass the parameters to the XServer. However, unfortunately this does not change anything: You are right that when I uncheck Hide Root window, the black root window *only* covers the primary monitor. That's good. But windows are *still* opened at the second monitor! What's even worse (and pretty astonishing to me): All X windows are *only* displayed correctly on the *secondary* display with the command line above. On the primary display, the window frames are shown but the windows are not drawn (they are transparent) and they do not accept mouse/keyboard input. So it's completely the oppisite as it is intended ... Can you check if the screen dimensions reported by xdpyinfo match those you are requesting, and attach your /var/log/xwin/XWin.0.log? Hmm, I have here: [...] default screen number:0 number of screens:1 screen #0: dimensions:
Re: XWin ignores all parameters related to multiple monitors
On 04/05/2014 06:56, Lukas Haase wrote: I use Cygwin/X to display a CAD application on my Windows cient. For some reason new windows always open on the secondary display and I always need to manually drag them to my primary display. That's sooo annoying (since UNIX applications tend to open new windows on every action). I'm assuming that your secondary display is to the left of your primary display. I think that it's a bug that these windows are appearing at the top-left, rather than on the primary display, in that we don't distinguish well enough between the application asked us to place the window at 0x0 and the application didn't specify where to put the window It would help if you could give the name of this application, and can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then clicking on one of the window which gets placed incorrectly. To avoid this, I want to disable the second monitor (and *only* use the primary). But whatever I do, XWin seems to ignore whatever I supply. For example, I start /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -nomultiplemonitors /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -screen 0 @1 -nomultiplemonitors /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -screen 0 @1 /usr/bin/startxwin.exe -- -mwextwm -screen 0 @1 -nomultiplemonitors and so on. Nothing works - everything as before. When I select Hide Root Window from the tray icon I see that the root window indeed covers both monitors. This is not how it behaves for me. Using -nomultiplemontiors, or an explicit -screen setting shows an appropriately sized root window when turning off Hide Root Window. (Although this is not terribly useful as you can move the Windows windows out of this area, which causes their contents to not be drawn) Can you check if the screen dimensions reported by xdpyinfo match those you are requesting, and attach your /var/log/xwin/XWin.0.log? Separately, it's possible that we should do something better with the combination of -nomultiplemontors and -multiwindow, but it's not quite clear to me what. (See discussion [1]) [1] https://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin-xfree/2011-07/msg7.html -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
