Re: ctrl-alt-{ ctrl-alt-[ ctrl-alt-] ctrl-alt-} not working as expected german keyboard on notebook
On 18/02/2015 23:07, Thomas Wolff wrote:
Am 18.02.2015 um 14:35 schrieb Jon TURNEY:
On 18/02/2015 02:54, rhofm...@rayed.de wrote:
Dell Latitude E6540, german keyboard.
I can type AltGr-{ ... and so on, but ctrl-alt-{ ... as labeled on the
keyboard gives something wrong.
It seems like when Alt is pressed Ctrl (Strg) is ignored, it gives the
same keys as without Ctrl.
I tried some things with setxkbmap, but no success.
Your description is quite inprecise; which terminal do you use (xterm?)
and what exactly do you expect and see in those cases?
I believe that '{' is on the 3rd shift level of 7 on a German keyboard.
So AltGr-7 gives '{', and (under Windows) Ctrl-LAlt-7 does the same.
Unfortunately, there doesn't currently seem to be a way to configure X
to act in this way.
What I meant to say is: There doesn't seem to be a simple way to
configure X to act in this way. You could make you own keyboard layout
which behaves in this way...
In xkeyboard-config language, you are trying to access the 3rd level
shift for a key (1st level is the normal key, 2nd is the shifted key)
I believe that the standard (DIN 2137) specifies that this 3rd level
is accessed by right alt.
ctrl + left alt being equivalent to right alt is a Windows-ism [1].
Again, not sure exactly what effect you suggest but in fact
Ctrl+Left-Alt and AltGr can be distinguished and it works in both xterm
and mintty. (It's a bit tricky and I don't recall the details right now,
it involves considering the sequence of events.)
The problem isn't that Ctrl-LAlt and AltGr aren't distinguished to X.
The problem is that the X keyboard layout doesn't map the Ctrl-LAlt-key
combination as Windows does.
Ideally, we would have something like 'setxkbmap -option
lv3:mswin_compat' to configure that mapping, but that doesn't exist at
the moment.
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Re: ctrl-alt-{ ctrl-alt-[ ctrl-alt-] ctrl-alt-} not working as expected german keyboard on notebook
On 18/02/2015 02:54, rhofm...@rayed.de wrote:
Dell Latitude E6540, german keyboard.
I can type AltGr-{ ... and so on, but ctrl-alt-{ ... as labeled on the
keyboard gives something wrong.
It seems like when Alt is pressed Ctrl (Strg) is ignored, it gives the
same keys as without Ctrl.
I tried some things with setxkbmap, but no success.
Unfortunately, there doesn't currently seem to be a way to configure X
to act in this way.
In xkeyboard-config language, you are trying to access the 3rd level
shift for a key (1st level is the normal key, 2nd is the shifted key)
I believe that the standard (DIN 2137) specifies that this 3rd level is
accessed by right alt.
ctrl + left alt being equivalent to right alt is a Windows-ism [1].
See the upstream bug [2], you might also find the discussion in [3] of
interest.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#Control_.2B_Alt_as_a_substitute
[2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37232
[3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/822872
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Re: ctrl-alt-{ ctrl-alt-[ ctrl-alt-] ctrl-alt-} not working as expected german keyboard on notebook
Am 18.02.2015 um 14:35 schrieb Jon TURNEY:
On 18/02/2015 02:54, rhofm...@rayed.de wrote:
Dell Latitude E6540, german keyboard.
I can type AltGr-{ ... and so on, but ctrl-alt-{ ... as labeled on the
keyboard gives something wrong.
It seems like when Alt is pressed Ctrl (Strg) is ignored, it gives the
same keys as without Ctrl.
I tried some things with setxkbmap, but no success.
Your description is quite inprecise; which terminal do you use (xterm?)
and what exactly do you expect and see in those cases?
Unfortunately, there doesn't currently seem to be a way to configure X
to act in this way.
In xkeyboard-config language, you are trying to access the 3rd level
shift for a key (1st level is the normal key, 2nd is the shifted key)
I believe that the standard (DIN 2137) specifies that this 3rd level
is accessed by right alt.
ctrl + left alt being equivalent to right alt is a Windows-ism [1].
Again, not sure exactly what effect you suggest but in fact
Ctrl+Left-Alt and AltGr can be distinguished and it works in both xterm
and mintty. (It's a bit tricky and I don't recall the details right now,
it involves considering the sequence of events.)
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Thomas
See the upstream bug [2], you might also find the discussion in [3] of
interest.
[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#Control_.2B_Alt_as_a_substitute
[2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37232
[3]
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/822872
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