Re: Shimomura, Markoff, and Packet Sniffers

2000-03-05 Thread bram
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, John Young wrote: > And you got to admit that it's weird that none of the early > cypherpunks have been caught at, or accused, of sedition. > Or even set up like Mitnick for high-profile prosecution. Probably 'cause these days to get prosecuted you have to do more than just

Re: Shimomura, Markoff, and Packet Sniffers

2000-03-05 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:31 PM -0500 on 3/4/00, John Young wrote: > To read the stuff now is again electrifying. Yup. I got here in spring/summer of 1994, and I had the same experience when Ryan's venona archives were up for a while a couple of years back. The way I figure it, the loop probably started at about

Re: Shimomura, Markoff, and Packet Sniffers

2000-03-04 Thread Tim May
At 6:31 PM -0800 3/4/00, John Young wrote: >No, I had not read the early archives, at the time I got on >board there was plenty going on to electrify 6 inches of callus >off my near-dead carcass. Then, later, the early stuff disappeared >with Bilblio, when I had assumed it would be around wheneve

Re: Shimomura, Markoff, and Packet Sniffers

2000-03-04 Thread John Young
No, I had not read the early archives, at the time I got on board there was plenty going on to electrify 6 inches of callus off my near-dead carcass. Then, later, the early stuff disappeared with Bilblio, when I had assumed it would be around whenever needed. And, then the Cyphernomicon was a r

Shimomura, Markoff, and Packet Sniffers

2000-03-04 Thread Tim May
At 3:57 PM -0800 3/4/00, John Young wrote: >It's worth pondering what demonization and criminalization >may evolve from close study of the early Cypherpunk archives >made availalble a few days ago by Ralph Seberry : > > http://lanesbry.com/cypherpunks > >After a fews days of reading those remar