Re: Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-24 Thread petro
Jim Choate wrote: Yep, http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.98.10.12-98.10.18/msg00019.html has a rant about Rosa Luxemburg and various people redefining the word "socialism" so that it included only ideas they didn't like excluded ones they did. It was a sort of reply to a

Re: Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-22 Thread Craig Brozefsky
petro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That was precisely my point: socialism doesn't necessarily mean centralised statism, wage controls or limited speech. Its roots are in democratic Socialism *always* means that the same people in a society who control the use of force also have control

would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-22 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 02:23 PM 9/22/00 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: The trouble with that use of the words (though it is the most common one on this list I guess) is that it defines just about every nation-state that ever existed as "fascist" including the so-called capitalist countries: "if you don't manage it the

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-20 Thread Asymmetric
At 22:24 09/19/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: At 1:03 AM -0400 9/20/00, Asymmetric wrote: At 13:47 09/19/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: (P.S. Lose the toad.com address. Get a clue. Or, since you appear to be a luser, "loose the toad.com address.") You keep sending to it yourself. Mind explaining what

Re: Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-20 Thread Asymmetric
At 02:21 09/20/2000 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: You should read up on Type 1 and Type 2 remailers. Both involve encryption. In the case of Type 2 remailers, you only need to trust one in the chain that you use in order to be sure that your identity is securely hidden. I do understand how

Re: Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-20 Thread Tim May
At 9:36 AM -0400 9/20/00, Asymmetric wrote: I do understand how both types work, however, the opportunity for subterfuge is always present. I was making a point that the assumed security of a remailer should not factor in if you intend to put yourself at risk. Assumptions are dangerous all

-C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread harald
At 17:08 2000-09-18 -0400, you wrote: That the list be changed so that unregistered email addresses cannot send messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. I suppose you know why we don´t have that (the remailing issue). But I kinda have another idea. Just start every subject line with

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Asymmetric
At 10:54 09/19/2000 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 17:08 2000-09-18 -0400, you wrote: That the list be changed so that unregistered email addresses cannot send messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. I suppose you know why we don´t have that (the remailing issue). But I kinda

Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread No User
Asymmetric whined: Last I checked the remailers allowed return mail to be sent through them, to the owner of the anonymous account.. isn't that the point? It's easy enough to forge the email header that I can't believe they exist just to totally isolate anyone from the responses.. how

Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Asymmetric
At 10:24 09/19/2000 -0500, Anonymous Coward vomited: Hey, Retardo -- when did you ever check? If you had, you'd know that you can't reply to anon remailers. Try replying to this, you clueless shit. Now shut the fuck up about this bullshit, we're all tired of the subject, and if you can't

Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 12:43 -0400 9/19/00, Asymmetric wrote: Actually asshole, there are plenty of anonymous remailers that DO let you reply to the originator. In case you're just a bit wet behind the ears yet and hadn't heard, a while back there was a big problem with one of them when the government ordered

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Tim May
(P.S. Lose the toad.com address. Get a clue. Or, since you appear to be a luser, "loose the toad.com address.") At 8:04 AM -0400 9/19/00, Asymmetric wrote: At 10:54 09/19/2000 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 17:08 2000-09-18 -0400, you wrote: That the list be changed so that unregistered

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Tim May
At 10:54 AM +0200 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 17:08 2000-09-18 -0400, you wrote: That the list be changed so that unregistered email addresses cannot send messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. I suppose you know why we don´t have that (the remailing issue). But I kinda

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Asymmetric
essage-Id: a04310104b5ed7e0750e3@[207.111.242.243] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:36:52 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey kettle, this is the pot. Did you happen to notice you're black? Fro

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Tim May
000 13:36:52 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey kettle, this is the pot. Did you happen to notice you're black? From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask.. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you notice the _real_ list I copied? Check the

Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Tim May
At 1:03 AM -0400 9/20/00, Asymmetric wrote: At 13:47 09/19/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: (P.S. Lose the toad.com address. Get a clue. Or, since you appear to be a luser, "loose the toad.com address.") You keep sending to it yourself. Mind explaining what the problem is? And how many

Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Tim May
At 12:43 PM -0400 9/19/00, Asymmetric wrote: At 10:24 09/19/2000 -0500, Anonymous Coward vomited: Hey, Retardo -- when did you ever check? If you had, you'd know that you can't reply to anon remailers. Try replying to this, you clueless shit. Now shut the fuck up about this bullshit,

Re: Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread Michael Motyka
Um, if there's any hint of a trail back to the sender where's the anonymity? Trust the recipient to use a remailer chain for the return path. or not. Include the return mail address in the body if you choose to. Isn't that what anonymity is about? Placing the choice for the disclosure of

-C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-19 Thread harald
At 08:04 2000-09-19 -0400, you wrote: I can't see the -C-P- subject as really being functional for sorting out spam mail because anyone new to the list won't know to put them in, nor the people I mentioned who might wish to make anonymous announcements. The "-C-P-" think should of course be

would it be so much to ask..

2000-09-18 Thread Asymmetric
That the list be changed so that unregistered email addresses cannot send messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. ---signature file--- PGP Key Fingerprint: 446B 7718 B219 9F1E 43DD 8E4A 6BE9 D739 CCC5 7FD7 "I don't think [Linux] will be very successful in the long run." "My