Those who do not learn from history are doomed to be told
"Check the Archives".
How come this list has so many addresses:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is any of these the *real* address, or it is a personal choice?
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
From: "Kent Snyder-The Liberty Committee"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. IT IS A REPUBLIC. THE ELECTORAL
A republic is a form of democracy, a representative one.
No, it isn't.
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A quote from Petro's
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Russ K wrote:
Maybe not, but the tools used to remove the barrel/s can be traced by teeth
marks and other metal to metal contact.
So the moral of the story is...
If you want to destroy the potential barrel you'll need to:
- Have replacement barrels purchased in a
At 2:27 PM -0800 12/10/00, petro wrote:
Mr. May:
The author also mentions that consumers dislike (so?) tracking of
their purchases...and then in the next paragraphs cites the
Firestone tire recall as an example of better policy than most Web
sites have (or something like this...I re-read his
At 05:31 PM 12/5/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
An instructive case. Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring
to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files.
A PDA would have been harder to hack, one imagines.
Are there padlockable metal cases for PDAs?
As I've
Mr. May:
Frankly, the PGP community veered off the track toward crapola about
standards, escrow, etc., instead of concentrating on the core
issues. PGP as text is a solved problem. The rest of the story is to
ensure that pass phrases and keys are not black-bagged.
Forget fancy GUIs, forget
Mr. May:
(And then there's Riad Wahby, whose signed messages are unopenable
by Eudora Pro. He is doing _something_ which makes my very-common
mailer choke on his messages. Not my problem, as his messages then
get deleted by me unread. Again, standard ASCII is the lingua franca
which avoids
At 06:54 AM 11/28/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote:
Of course if they leave the machine [Carnivore] in the cage you can always
stop
feeding it electricity. Or take it home to show the neighbours. It might
make a good conversation piece at dinner. Or maybe use it as an ashtray.
At 10:36 PM 11/27/00
Oh come now. You have real recourse against Bill Gates and John Tesh
Bill Gates is a questionable case, but there is no doubt that
John Tesh should die.
It is extremely unlikely it is going to change in the least the "who" or
"why" of contract killing. I really don't think everyone
From: petro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It would be fairly simple to eliminate *most* of the current
voter fraud schemes, and fairly inexpensive.
Please provide details of this simple technique for
eliminating voter fraud. I've always found utopian
fantasies intriguing.
"Re
Alan:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote:
What a cluster fuck. Punch drunk, dazed burrowcrats triggering this
train wreck.
I will not forget this week, and not forget watching this latest
event live, as it happened. Kind of the the "moon landing" of
political train wrecks.
What I
Mr. May said:
At 4:19 PM -0800 11/11/00, petro wrote:
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At 03:11 PM 11/10/2000 -0800, Tim May wrote:
Physical ballot voting has its problems, but at least people
_understand_ the concept of marking a ballot, as opposed to
"blinding the exponent of their elliptic curve fun
It's called "Straight Party", and IIRC it is a box on the
Missouri ballots. I *know* it was on the Illinois ballots. Saves dead
people time you understand, they only have a limited amount of time.
They removed it from the Illinois ballots 4 years ago. It now takes me 10
times longer to
At 08:34 PM 11/10/00 -0600, Phaedrus wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim May, the heavily armed hate monger who refers to ZOG, and , his
extreme
right wing malitia friends have missed there chance.
So is "malitia" a bunch of bad soldiers?
No, malicious.
TimMay wrote:
#I thought I was jaded, but this is too much even for me to believe.
#
#A judge in St. Louis has ordered the polls kept open later, until 10
#pm local time. The effect will be to let more inner city,
#Democrat-leaning voters vote.
What a lame-ass complaint.
For
Kaos wrote:
# There's no SS# on a Texas DL, never has been. There is a DL# that is 8
# digits in length (and related to time and place of initial license
# application, not SS#).
Then someone in tx.politics was wrong (and I passed it along).
But now I'm confused (no cracks please): why change
Mr. May:
x-flowedAt 2:20 PM -0500 11/4/00, dmolnar wrote:
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
"NP" problems, on the other hand, are those that can be solved in
nondeterministic polynomial time (think only by guessing). NP
includes P.
Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that ZKS is yet another company that fell prey to the DigiCash
"we know better than the market what the market wants" syndrome. What a
shame, really.
What does the market want?
SEX!!!
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A quote from Petro's Archives:
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:56:56PM -0500, David Honig wrote:
One can envision a system where there's a corporate "document czar" who
is regularly given docs from various employees and who then encrypts them
in his own key. When and where the docs get decrypted is determined by
corporate
Jim Burnes wrote:
As much as I generally respect what Harry Browne says, I dontated money
to his campaign only to see it squandered on expensive DC consultants
who were 'friends of the party'. Nary a penny made it to drive-time
radio ads, which are by far the most cost effective
places, explaining to them why we don't build in back doors. And,
suprisingly, when you go and talk to them, rather than hissing and
shouting, they listen.
They listen, but do they hear?
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A quote from Petro's Archives:
**
"Despite almost
At 4:37 PM -0400 10/26/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
At 11:59 AM -0700 on 10/26/00, Ray Dillinger wrote:
Here is what I envision, at a cost of something like $10/month.
Go find the original archived web page for c2.net?
When privacy costs more than no privacy, we have no privacy.
Sad, but
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:59:51PM -0700, petro wrote:
That's true, but it is irrelevant. As long as insurance companies
and hospitals are privately owned, putting a requirement like this
one on them constitutes theft of their resources
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 11:08:48PM -0700, petro wrote:
Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
might still be unable to get any kind of catastropic
On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, petro wrote:
Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
might still be unable to get any kind of catastropic medical insurance
and might be wiped out of virtually all assets
From: petro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The point is that you are *forcing* me to part with my
productive labor to support someone else.
This makes me unhappy. Under your beliefs, you can't do this,
as I have a right to be happy.
No dipshit, you have a right to TRY TO BE HAPPY
For me the description of an ideal movie is "A series of gunshots and
explosions strung together by one liners". I go to the movies for
amusement, not intellectual satisfaction.
That said:
By the way, I didn't take seriously the view that _we_ are living in
a Matrix world. The film was
That's true, but it is irrelevant. As long as insurance companies
and hospitals are privately owned, putting a requirement like this
one on them constitutes theft of their resources. If you want to
have them engaging in charity, set up a charity and solicit money
instead. ie, you
Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
might still be unable to get any kind of catastropic medical insurance
and might be wiped out of virtually all assets by a serious illness,
even one
From: "The Truth" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:54:05 -0400
Subject: ST1100: John Korb and Two Brothers Racing
The late John Korb had learned how Two Brothers Racing has alledgedly
stolen the ST1100 accessory designs of Ron Major, and continues to this day
to represent and
Mr. May said:
PCBs are as close as your nearest utility pole transformer.
Are they as dangerous as reporters have led us to believe? My suspicion? No.
Just wait until the News Media realizes that everyone who
ever died had also inhaled O2.
"Breathing leads to dying, stop
Mr. May:
At 12:14 AM -0700 10/20/00, petro wrote:
At 1:39 PM -0400 10/18/00, Tim May wrote:
There's also a very scarce compilation of "The Peace War" and
"Marooned in Realtime" which is called "Across Realtime." It
contains "The Ungoverned" in betw
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Anonymous wrote:
Crypto-anarchy is in fact not really anarchy, since it only addresses
some kinds of authority, ie government, and only in certain situations.
True anarchy involves the dissolution of other hierarchical relationships,
including those that spring from private
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the
"tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own
interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to
many cattle is the example
OK. So how about preventative care? It might well be that by insuring
everyone and keeping them in health, the total risk per dollars paid for
coverage actually goes down. Especially if infectious diseases can be kept
in check. Plus, the sum total of money paid by the insurees goes up as they
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:17:17PM -0700, petro wrote:
Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the
trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As
I said before, we are already seeing
Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people,
he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in
the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him?
He's not getting spam. He's been subscribed to the
cypherpunks list by someone.
OK.
Two Things:
1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in
crypto-anarchy.
(Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the
teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them
anonymous digital cash
to go away).
There
At 9:11 PM -0500 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote:
Two Things:
1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in
crypto-anarchy.
(Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the
teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them
Another socialist simp-wimp heard from.
Lots of socialists to be dealt with and disposed of. I wonder who
will stoke the furnaces?
Not very many if enough of us "simp-wimps" gather enough e-cash to create
our own
"Imprisonment Betting Pool".
I think languishing in jail with life-mate
Tim May wrote:
At 11:38 PM -0400 10/18/00, Steve Furlong wrote:
At most, an insurance company would have some information Bob didn't
have. Bob could reasonably demand a copy of the results of his DNA test.
...
If the insurance company refused, he could shop elsewhere. Or
self-insure,
Most insurance companies are worth millions, if not billions, of
dollars, and they make huge profits. Insuring all of the people that
they now deny based on genetic abnormalities would still allow them to
make decent profits.
So? Where is it mandated that they cover those?
In
This is why the current American system where virtually everyone's
insurance pays for virtually every visit to the doctor is such a
bad idea. People should be paying for their ordinary, year-in
year-out health care. Insurance should only enter the picture if
The system only works
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Neil Johnson wrote:
But the Bob has no control of his risk (genetics), or at least not yet :).
The insurance company does.
Say What?! Sorry, no insurance company has the power to say who
is and is not born with particular genetics.
I don't have a problem with insurance
This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants.
He's bashing a completely facist and dictatorial country of
which a sizeable number of citizens are completely willing to commit
genocide of the very same kind that was once waged against them.
I cannot
Your neighbor pollutes your lungs or your land and you don't know
what to do about it? Shit man, get real -- $5 bucks worth of gasoline
and a midnight stroll takes care of his house, him, and his family.
Burning someones house down is *REALLY* bad for the air and
land around the
I need a perl module or a function that would perform symmetric key
encryption/decryption. I need it to encode secret information in
URLs. Thanks
I thought you were brighter than that Igor.
http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=modulequery=encrypt
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A quote from Petro's Archives:
One of the points I believe is sorely missing in these discussions is how
important "improvements in algorithms" can be. In the narrowest sense, I
agree with your statements - but I have also seen what elegant alternative
approaches can do to systems that were presumed to be vulnerable only to
"A. Melon" wrote:
Michigans Anti-Cussing Law Called Into Question
A Michigan boor swore at and made sexually suggestive gestures to a
woman after she asked him not to swear near a small child. He might be
charged under MI's anti-swearing law or under disturbing the peace.
This doesn't sound
Jim Choate wrote:
Yep,
http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.98.10.12-98.10.18/msg00019.html
has a rant about Rosa Luxemburg and various people redefining the word
"socialism" so that it included only ideas they didn't like excluded
ones they did. It was a sort of reply to a
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Kerry L. Bonin wrote:
especially software sold to us mass market consumers. I expect markets
exist in which software has to be held to an extremely high standard of
reliability (e.g. Space Shuttle, financial markets, health software,
embedded systems spring to mind). How
I believe there is a difference between knowing who an "anonymous"
e-mailer is and wanting to avoid disclosing such information... and
operating a service where finding out is not possible (at least without
invasive means).
Its the old story, you cannot be subpoenaed to reveal information that
At 9:25 PM -0700 9/11/00, petro wrote:
RAH:
But, again, I'm sure the thing was a spoof.
Nope not a spoof.
Heard it on NPR, and several other outlets the day it came out.
I thought I remembered hearing about it as well, but I can't
find anything on CNN's web site, nor on the LA Times
Jim:
Having the government make it a tax is a little too much like
fascism. Correction, its exactly like fascism.
Now that the US Federal government wouldn't try it.
And the English say Americans don't understand sarcasm or irony.
That *was* sarcasm, right?
(btw, I'm
petro wrote:
Of course, a *simple* substitution of one word (or even
spaces) would make this *much* harder.
"Friends, Romulans, fellow countrymen, lend me your beers..."
not likely. crack has been guessing simple substitutions for years.
Crack has bee
Mr. May said:
(News services still have some role, of course.)
Of course, one of there roles could be "verification" of the
press release, i.e. Emulex signs it, and rather than having to have
985,234,003 keys on my key ring to verify every press release I read,
the News Service can
Mr May:
At 12:10 PM + 8/30/00, Gil Hamilton wrote:
That headline should be: "Co-inventor of Web *still* calling for
'licence' to surf". Here's a story from last October:
http://www.forbes.com/forbesglobal/99/1018/0221020a.htm
Twenty years from now Cailliau will still be stamping his feet
Mr. May:
someone:
(While I don't think it is possible, I'm eager to hear ideas on how an
anonymous physical gathering could be planned and executed with the
public in attendance, while preserving the anonymity of the organizers.
Venue should be irrelevant, because all the attendees should be able
Fact is, "ordinary people" are not in any significant danger of
having their e-mail or files intercepted and read by "ripoff
artists, criminals, and spies." Next-door neighbors and other
non-governmental entities rarely have access to packet sniffers,
Carnivore-type intercept systems, or
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote:
:If they truly believe in getting rid of guns, why don't they start with the
:guns of their body guards?
They [obviously] don't believe in "getting rid of guns": they believe in
getting rid of OUR guns.
I think there is nothing much
X-Loop: openpgp.net
From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In any case, I never suggested that MenWithGuns should force AOL to
modify its hate speech policy.
It could have been easily interpreted as such (and it has been).
Anyone who has been reading Mr. May's missives for any length
At 10:51 AM +0100 8/1/00, Ken Brown wrote:
The Times
July 31 2000 BRITAIN
Ministers told to plan for e-nightmare
In one of them, called "Gangland", a failure by Government to secure
electronic
transactions leads to the nation being held to ransom by hackers. Society
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 02:03:55PM -0700, petro wrote:
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:42:09AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
The proposal has been made that the Constitution doesn't prevent other
agents from participating in the postal service. The Constitution was
quoted as proof.
This 'proof
Degree or no, you clearly haven't thought about this very much and
your blather about the "problems" with cash and what some economists
may or may not think is therefore unlikely to be well-informed.
You are hereby sentenced to read thirty hours of Hettinga-rants on
settlement costs in digital
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At 09:59 AM 7/27/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote:
A kind of language for generating complex protocols was something
Eric Hughes and I discussed at length before even holding the first
meeting of what became the Cypherpunks group.
Such a language would not be very useful. We have a lot
At 07:09 PM 08/04/00 -0400, Petro wrote:
Reeses Peices:
Sticks stones - ah hell, Fuck You anyhow.
Try saying something good about Reagan, I wanna see if you can.
He had good hair for a man his age.
The question wasn't directed at you. Since you've entered the forum, say
something good
And then the grocery sells that info to a national database that
adds it to all the other info on you. Which the cops can access to see
just how much alcohol Tim is using these days, and maybe they need to put
his vehicle description/plates on a watch list to stop for DWI checks
whenever
And the four cops were of course not dressed as cops...they were part of
the "Street Crimes Unit," meaning they were supposed to blend in by looking
like street thugs.
What Yabba.. thought was going down when four white guys started yelling at
him will forever be unknown to us.
I know what
Sunder writes:
Any jurisdiction that considers pupming 41 pieces of lead in a man that
refuses to talk to four predatory bastards isn't by any stretch of the
immagination free.
The number of bullets is not the issue. As has been discussed here
before, any firefight involving multiple
The only real alternative to handguns is shotguns.
Short barreled carbines--like the M-1 carbine, or a lever
action 30-30, or "Sub-machine guns" like the MP5 do quite a decent
job.
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A quote from Petro's Archives: **
If the courts
I wrote much of what you quoted and then responded to, and yet you snipped
the part that said "Tim May wrote..."
Please take some care in how you quote.
Apologies.
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A quote from Petro's Archives: **
If the courts started interpreting
untraceable contract killings. At least 342,000 persons in America have
already earned killing.
How did you come at this figure?
I'm proud that untraceable technologies we have helped to develop and
publicize will make possible the cleansing of this country of gun grabbers.
Nope, I look at what life was like without governments - nasty, brutish and
short.
We both agree that bad governments can do a lot of evil, even in democratic
countries. Richard Nixon being a prime example, committing acts of treason
at home and committing war crimes abroad.
I don't
In South Vietnam, our client regime
The US of A did _not_ have a "client regime" in S. Vietnam.
You are a complete fucking imbecile.
There were several "regimes" in S. Vietnam that served at the
whim of the US State department.
I think I've made my point.
The one
I have as well. Never to the point of being inside the car, but to the
point of trying my key in the lock.
Yeah, given that one car off the assembly like looks pretty
much like another, and that a True CypherPunk(tm) wouldn't do
anything to his car to distinguish it from the rest of
At 7:45 AM -0800 2/14/00, Duncan Frissell wrote:
At 08:55 PM 2/12/00 -0500, Petro wrote:
Or will bother to look in the future.
What is considered legal/moral/rational today *might* change in
the future. Do you really want to take that chance?
It's a lot easier
This thing has occasioned an untoward measure of shock, for the
fact is the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure do provide for it,
see Rule 34, in appropriate circumstances--the argument should be
whether the circumstances are appropriate.
MacN
And everything the Feds do is correct? Both
At 4:30 PM -0800 2/11/00, Matthew Gream wrote:
If you were to read the sentence that follows the one you quoted, you would
find that I say "however, until such time" to acknowledge two things.
Firstly, that an ideal society takes time to reach (if at all reachable),
and secondly, that when an
At Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:49:02 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. If ever there was the ideal society,
then such little call would there be for these devices of confusion.
The only ideal society I can think of where " little call would there be
for these devices" would
be one brought into being
the coming age, cryptography is the quintessential tool to negotiate the
boundary between what is mine, and what is everyone elses, to protect the
world
from me, and to protect me from the world. If ever there was the ideal
society,
then such little call would there be for these devices of
With the discussion of philosophy lately, I'll share with you a URL for
an interesting article about the _real_ philosophical dilemma:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/archive/2207/news/current/superstar.htx
?source=blq/yhoodist=yhoo
An excerpt:
"LOS ANGELES (CBS.MW) -- OK, so you're a
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