On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Reese wrote:

> No, I didn't read the link.
> No, I'm not going to, until you explain something, and then, I'm going to
> bounce your reply against the link to see if you cheated:

Um, huh?

> Explain to me, in your own words, how a person can be apprehended
> (essentially kidnapped), be taken away and be locked up in a rubber room,
> for evaluation.  How if this person protests this mistreatment in the
> fashion it deserves, the person will be injected with thorazine daily,
> and be told they are "here" for their own good, where once this person
> was a productive, if eccentric member of HisOrHer society.

I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking 'how' as in the
mechanics (how do you originally fall in the trap? Maybe you were caught
out one night in the wrong place a little drunk/stoned/high, or maybe you
commited a crime and got off with an insanity plea, or maybe your doctor
told you that hospitilization would be good, since you're a bit depressed
after your wife took the kids, your trailer burned down, the IRS took your
land and your dog done left you, or maybe you went to a psych 'cos you
coudln't get it up and you just picked the wrong psych, or maybe your
friends, or neighbor, or lover, or ex-lover decided you were a bit too
eccentric and called the cops to pack you off, maybe your college admin
decided you were nuts..or maybe you're underage and your parents or school
decided it was time to lock you up, in which case, you're *really*
screwed, I don't know of anyone who has been locked up for political
reasons in the U.S. [well, over the age of 18, in any case] but it
woudln't surprise me..the mechanics are too easy. How do you stay in the
trap? In theory you have some legal rights, though they [like everything]
are being eroded, but even those paltry rights tend to be ignored by
rubber stamping judges and the profit-seeking psychiatric industry)

Or is that a rhetorical question, as in 'how can that happen in our
wonderful, free country of the United states of america' to which I can
only say, I haven't believed that crap since I was a pre-schooler living
overseas on a military base. 

This happens, for certain... I'm not sure if mindfreedom picked it up (I
usually only catch it once or twice a month or so, but it's on my
regularly read list) but within the last few days a woman in Missouri was
being 

Incidently, there's a reason for my name, and if you don't get the
reference, you might want to read _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintainance_

> Better that 10 insane roam the streets, than lock up one sane man, eh?

Basically.

Don't get me wrong, if someone is a clear and present danger to other
people, and locking them up is the only way to make them *not* a clear and
present danger to other people then fine, but if you look through the
DSM-IV, my guess is that you could probably pin a diag on almost
anyone...heck, some diagnoses are so fuzzy you could probably pin them on
anyone just by themselves.

Perhaps it should be 'better one hundred more-or-less sane people on the
street than one possible danger locked up'

Ph.

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