ents -- including exhibits and transcripts -- that might
include personal information and home addresses about people who
testified in the trial of Jim Bell. A jury found Bell guilty of two
counts of interstate stalking.
London said: "We are concerned that information in these exhibit
--
At 08:49 AM 12/17/2000 -0500, John Young wrote:
> According to the court docket, Jim Bell was arraigned on Nov 29 and
> pled not guilty to two charges of nterstate stalking.
>
> A jury trial is set to begin on Jan 22, 2001. Pretrial motions
> cutoff is Dec 2
Adam Back wrote:
> I think the thing that killed MT / digicash for this application was
> MT at the time was reported to be closing accounts related to
> pornography -- they apparently didn't want the reputation for
> providing payment mechanisms for the porn industry or something.
James Donald r
At 11:24 PM 12/3/00 -0800, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Adam Back wrote:
>>The protocols you list are online. Not that this is a bad thing -- I
>>kind of prefer the online idea -- rather than the "and then you go to
>>jail" implications of fraud tracing in the offline protocols. P
At 11:24 PM -0800 on 12/3/00, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> "Check and see if he's got
> overdraft protection for the extra two hundred... if he doesn't,
> then put it on his credit card with a fifteen dollar loan orignation
> fee and charge him two percent a month"
Doesn't work like that.
It's
On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Adam Back wrote:
>The protocols you list are online. Not that this is a bad thing -- I
>kind of prefer the online idea -- rather than the "and then you go to
>jail" implications of fraud tracing in the offline protocols. Plus
>you have a risk of accidentally double spendi
Ben wrote:
> > different process. I don't think you can do efficient offline ecash
> > with Wagner et al's mechanism -- I'd guess it's more comparable with
> > the functionality offered by Chaum's blind signature.
>
> I'm not sure what you think the requirements for "efficient offline
> ecash"
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 11:50:43PM -0500, Adam Back wrote:
> I was going to read about visa cash -- but more fscking shockwave --
> the frontpage is shockwave no less so you get zip information out of
> them.
I already showed it to Adam, but in case anybody else was wondering:
There is not in fa
--
Adam Back wrote:
> Hal says:
> >
> > http://www.finney.org/~hal/chcash1.html and
> > http://www.finney.org/~hal/chcash2.html
>
> Wow look at the dates on those files -- Oct 93, and we still no
> deployed ecash. You'd think there would be a market there for porn
> sites alone with
I wrote:
> [2] Hal Finney used to have a description of Chaum's protocol on rain.org
> but he's at www.finney.org/~hal/ now and I can't find the link.
Hal says:
http://www.finney.org/~hal/chcash1.html and
http://www.finney.org/~hal/chcash2.html
Wow look at the dates on those files -- Oct 93, a
At 11:26 PM 11/27/00 -0800, Tim May wrote:
> Some jurors might be swayed by the language in AP and
>by the (alleged) utterance:
> "Say goodnight, Joshua."
>(Wasn't Joshua the computer in "War Games"?)
Joshua was Dr. Richard Falken's kid's name,
which Matthew Broderick's character guessed w
Ray Dillinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bell handwaved on the point of obtaining digital cash for
> paying the assassin with. Bob the broker can go to the
> bank and obtain it in the usual way, of course - but then
> has to transfer it to Alice the assassin, and there's a
> sticky point in
> (Wasn't Joshua the computer in "War Games"?)
Yes -- or at least it was both the backdoor password and how the computer
referred to itself when it was run using the backdoor. A movie that, sad to
say, is no longer available to rent at all Blockbuster stores... (Missing
from the Noblesville, I
At 1:19 AM -0500 11/28/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>The affidavit/complaint we link to at cluebot.com contains an
>allegation from the Feds that Bell only 'fessed up to (in previous
>interviews with l.e.) authoring the AP essays.
>
>I do not recall reading about, or writing about, Bell being char
At 1:19 AM -0500 on 11/28/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> I do not recall reading about, or writing about, Bell being charged
> with deploying a working AP system.
Hmmm...
Maybe it was Toto's ersatz-AP web page I was remembering, now that I think
about it, which, of course, Toto *didn't* plead t
The affidavit/complaint we link to at cluebot.com contains an
allegation from the Feds that Bell only 'fessed up to (in previous
interviews with l.e.) authoring the AP essays.
I do not recall reading about, or writing about, Bell being charged
with deploying a working AP system. No, they've been
At 7:45 PM -0800 on 11/27/00, Tim May wrote:
> (I think any of
> us could be called as witnesses to refute a state claim that he was
> deploying a real system!)
Which, unfortunately, and IIRC, he actually *pled* to, nonetheless.
Sheesh.
Cheers,
RAH
--
-
R. A. Hettinga
The In
Newby puzzles:
> Right, I agree.
>
>But what I'd like to consider is a recipe for "plain ordinary"
>folk to conspire anonymously to commit murder.
>
>Not just any murder: murder for some of the people who (some
>people on this list have said), are needing killin'.
>
>If a bunch of crypto anarchis
Greg Newby wrote:
>
> Do people on this list really believe that the solution to
> problems is to kill people?
>
> Or are we just getting sarcastic and frustrated?
we've run this planet for a couple thousand years by way of killing
people. never touch a running system, you know?
>The "Needs Killing" verbiage you see here, I think, is mostly from
>people who, correctly or not, tend to think in terms either of there
>not being any governments, or in terms of the government being so
>ineffective that they are effectively in an ungoverned state.
>
Or from people who
>Do people on this list really believe that the solution to
>problems is to kill people?
>
>Or are we just getting sarcastic and frustrated?
>
>(Yes, I know Tim May believes people should be killed, but
>he's just a fuckhead bag of hot air.)
>
>Seems to me that anarchy where people solve their pro
t me to shit.
There are still people around whom you better not say
to their face, "you need killing." Those with guns, for
example. It's okay on the Internet, though, hell, you
can even threaten to kill a particular judge if you mean
it as a joke.
Greg, ease up, everybody here k
Do people on this list really believe that the solution to
problems is to kill people?
Or are we just getting sarcastic and frustrated?
(Yes, I know Tim May believes people should be killed, but
he's just a fuckhead bag of hot air.)
Seems to me that anarchy where people solve their problems
b
Good, bad, or whatever -- you ain't never going to put this genie
back in the bottle. The AP meme is dispersed across the globe, it's
only a matter of time now.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Eric Cordian wrote:
>The implications are that in a society where the government has not made
>personal privacy and private communication illegal, you can't be an
>asshole to countless millions of people without winding up with a price on
>your head.
The thing about money
hrewd, and Usama Bin Laden has just
about pulled that off. If he disappears but his agenda continues
that will be pure AP. This is not to say that Bin Laden is not a
fictional-demon of the USG, forever eluding capture -- until
the moment is right to implement a Pablo Escobar.
Isn't it likely tha
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>http://www.jya.com/ap.htm. It seems to me that he has a
>not-very-realistic view of how laws are interpreted in
>courts, and no understanding at all that governments will
>make new laws or amend old ones as needed to cover new
>situations.
>From what I
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Eric Cordian wrote:
> > On or about October 23, 2000, at Vancouver, within the Western District
> > of Washington, James Dalton Bell did travel across a state line from the
> > state of Washington to the state of Oregon with the intent to injure or
> > harrass another person,
Declan writes:
> Check out the affidavit/complaint at:
> http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/21/1944238
And from the aforementioned document...
> On or about October 23, 2000, at Vancouver, within the Western District
> of Washington, James Dalton Bell did travel across a state line fro
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Duncan Frissell wrote:
>So what're the sentencing guidelines for harassment of federal officials?
>
>I hope James will argue that he was gathering addresses so that he could
>picket them (which is legal). Petition the government for redress of
>grievances...
>
>I know Ja
Interesting reading, Declan. Looks as though you get
another turn on the witness stand.
Who besides Declan, the Oregonian reporter, the two
ladies researching terrorism, the various Gordons and
other nyms, and so on, got tarred by this?
At 01:36 PM 11/21/00 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>Check out the affidavit/complaint at:
>http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/21/1944238
>
>Background documents:
>http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/11/101218
>
>Wired News article on arrest:
>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,
Check out the affidavit/complaint at:
http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/21/1944238
Background documents:
http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/11/101218
Wired News article on arrest:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40300,00.html
-Declan
A family member says Jim Bell was arrested last night
when he went out to the store.
The person also said the feds were searching for e-mail Jim
sent around August 18.
I can't prove the family member is that and not a fisher.
idation
of IRS agents.
[...]
***
I've included links to the original documents in this article:
http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/11/101218&mode=nested
Feds Raid Cypherpunk Jim Bell
posted by declan on Saturday November 11, @05:58AM
from the n
;C.J. Parker/Toto" case was
because I'd never, to my knowledge, corresponded with Toto, nor had I
written anything admissible in court in his case.
I had a few exchanges with Jim Bell, early on, and I educated him a
bit on untraceable digital cash (Hal Finney had seen his early posts
i
Jim seems to be actively pursuing his own agenda, and it's difficult to
guess what it is. But I don't regret writing this article: He's getting out
of jail, and what he does next is interesting and newsworthy. In fact,
John, I emailed you and phoned you for comment when I was writing my
articl
Hello one and all.
Someone by the name of Jim Bell left a message on my answering machine.
He said that he had some work for me, and that it paid well. No
withholding tax either. My answering machine cut off abruptly though
(it's hard as hell to find anything that works reliably down
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