http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/index.html The reason you people get all the spam is that you don't recieve any of the day to day traffic on the CDR, you just get the crap sent to toad. What should happen is that the operator of toad.com should be asked to make their intention clear as to the long term support of the list on that machine. They should further be asked to begin to act to reduce the level of spam through that address. If they refuse then I believe we would then be justified in dropping all connections to it since such a position is tantamount to DoS attack. ____________________________________________________________________ Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. W. Shakespeare The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------