Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-18 Thread Ed Gerck
Tony Bartoletti wrote: The problem goes beyond simple impersonation in that the victims subsequently find it difficult to convince large institutions that they are who they say they are. My understanding is that the term comes from victims' statements that they felt as if their

Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 11:06 PM -0500 10/17/00, Neil Johnson wrote: Yes, I can see it now. "I'm sorry I have to tell you this Mr. Mrs. May, but the genetic tests required by your insurance company have revealed that your unborn child has a 65% chance of developing an expensive to treat and possibly severely

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 10:20 PM -0500 10/17/00, Allen Ethridge wrote: On Tuesday, October 17, 2000, at 08:19 PM, Tim May wrote: As for insurance companies "discriminating," this is what I hope for. Those of us who don't engage in certain practices--smoking, sky diving, anal sex, whatever--should not be subsidizing

Re: cypherpunks archives: re: Stop spam!

2000-10-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:33 PM 10/17/00 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: We can't stop anybody who gets cypherpunks from archiving it. We can't stop anybody from getting cypherpunks. QED, there *are* archives. Some of them might as well be public. Occasionally they are useful, or contain worthwhile URL's. Not

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Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread David Honig
At 05:50 PM 10/17/00 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote: On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote: Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone arrested (not necessarily guilty) of minor crimes, and some US states and cities do or periodically propose doing this or more.

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-18 Thread Ed Gerck
"Arnold G. Reinhold" wrote: At 11:21 AM -0700 10/17/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: As Tony Bartoletti wrote, apologies for what seems a rant, but the "solid mathematical foundations" underlying digital signatures, "Qualified Certificates", unmistakable IDs, biometrics and so forth create in me a

Re: I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-18 Thread jim bell
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39301,00.html The Mother of Gore's Invention by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [deletia uber alles] Many portions -- discussions of universal service, wiring classrooms to the Net, and antitrust actions -- are surprisingly

Re: I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 5:12 PM -0400 10/18/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: At 12:22 10/18/2000 -0700, jim bell wrote: I ask this, what I believe would be an excellent idea for an article: Why didn't the Internet develop even faster than it actually did? 9600 bps modems existed in 1986, not all that far in performance

RE: I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-18 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 17:44 10/18/2000 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: Been there, done that, got the credit. I was one of the original developers of Apple Kermit (in 6502 assembler) at Columbia University. Amongst other Wow -- I'm impressed. I remember using that. Actually, by 86, the Mac was out, as was the PC/AT and

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:10:27AM -0700, David Honig wrote: At 05:50 PM 10/17/00 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote: On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote: Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone arrested (not

Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 11:53:36PM -0700, Tim May wrote: At 11:06 PM -0500 10/17/00, Neil Johnson wrote: Yes, I can see it now. "I'm sorry I have to tell you this Mr. Mrs. May, but the genetic tests required by your insurance company have

Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 6:01 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: And what is wrong with this? Nothing that I can see. Alice the Insurer is free to set her rates as she wishes, and even to require tests. Bob the Prospective Insured is free to shop elsewhere. Where elsewhere? What alternative does Bob

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 5:48 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:10:27AM -0700, David Honig wrote: Discrimination in the good sense, like discriminating dangerous vs. safe. What do you think insurance companies *should* do, if not make various discriminations about risk? Are

Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 6:54 PM -0700 10/18/00, Yardena Arar + Christian Goetze wrote: I almost never participate in this group, but here it's hard to resist. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Tim May wrote: At 6:01 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: And what is wrong with this? Nothing that I can see.

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-18 Thread Neil Johnson
Two Things: 1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in crypto-anarchy. (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them anonymous digital cash to go away). 2. I think that

Re: Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Neil Johnson
--- Original Message - From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Yardena Arar + Christian Goetze" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Nathan Saper" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Cypherpunks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: CDR: Re: Re: why should it be trusted? Gambling is

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 9:11 PM -0500 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote: Two Things: 1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in crypto-anarchy. (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them

Re: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-18 Thread Neil Johnson
(Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them anonymous digital cash to go away). I should of added: "because they are afraid that person(s) is coming to collect their 'Assasination Betting

Re: Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Tim May
At 9:20 PM -0500 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote: --- Original Message - From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the way markets in general have always worked. Economists talk about "preference revealing" and "selective disclosure of information." But the Bob has no control of his

Re: Re: Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Neil Johnson
- Original Message - From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Yardena Arar + Christian Goetze" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Nathan Saper" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Cypherpunks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: CDR: Re: Re: Re: why should it be

Re: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-18 Thread Neil Johnson
Another socialist simp-wimp heard from. Lots of socialists to be dealt with and disposed of. I wonder who will stoke the furnaces? Not very many if enough of us "simp-wimps" gather enough e-cash to create our own "Imprisonment Betting Pool". I think languishing in jail with life-mate

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 10:01:20PM -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: At 9:27 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:57:24PM -0700, Tim May wrote: At 5:48 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: In any case, whether Alice

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-18 Thread Marshall Clow
At 10:07 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 10:01:20PM -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: At 9:27 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:57:24PM -0700, Tim May wrote: At 5:48 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: In any case, whether