The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-10 Thread Robert Guerra

Hey if there's a good side of the US mis-election this year.. it is that 
finally there will be an attempt to improve and modernize the process.

One of the technologies to improve the voting process is secure 
e-voting..Can anyone enlighten me as to who is working in the field.. Looks 
like it will be the only tech stocks that will do well in 2001 !

regards

robert




Secretions

2000-12-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga

Speaking of chadors...

Thanks, as ever, to Ryan for cypherpunks.venona.com.

Cheers,
RAH




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"The alternative to mutual trust, which is indeed a risky gamble, is the
security of the police state." -- Alan Watts

This text may be published in MONDO2000 as my regular column, Irresponsible
Journalism. Eric Hughes suggested the coda with the toad address, adding
that it would be amusing to have it almost completely blotted by magic
marker, as if inadequately censored.

I don't want to be the venom in this toad. I'd like to be one of the
jewels it wears in its head -- I can't quote that precisely, but it's
something like, "the venomous toad, which yet in its head wears a precious
jewel"... the idea is to draw in other useful minds. we can assume the
WRONG PEOPLE already know the address.

lady ada won't apologize for the gonzo wrapping for the ideas; she is
concerned only that they be correct and clearly stated. clarifications,
expansions, corrections are welcome. also abuse and threats, for that
matter... any feedback, please feed me...


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annexed Fri. and Mon. I was lurking in the back, hoping not to see anybody,
when the Jones brothers staked me out. Damn. They are deep into the street
drugs. Keeping up with the Joneses is nigh impossible; their most trivial
chitchat is an exercise in decryption. Eddy -- or maybe he was being Ellis
that night -- was implying something about somebody when my right foot
detonated down to its steel toe. I looked up -- way up -- to a face that
wasn't there at all. Just a dome of black cloth, with goggles. Three-eyed
goggles. Ah: a Chador. I'd heard of that. I screamed: "You stomped my foot
FLAT!" "Sorry." "Are you okay?" "Oh mng." Many overlapping voices, all
of them synthesized, blurted from above. Out of two tiny speakers hanging
like earrings off a basketweave headband like a cop's belt. The head bowed,
bringing it almost within biting range.
 "Gah. Ow. Ooo." Pretending to be demented with pain, I lurched deep into
the Chador. But I was cool: I was rootling in there for clues. Ha! Male
pheromones. Hardish male torso. I was jostling this lumpy equipment hanging
off him, trying to get a good feel of it without alerting him. Nuh uh: _I_
meant electronics... what did _you_ think? Okay: I had some data to work
with. Male with gadgets. Quelle surprise.   "What the hell have you got on
your feet? HORSESHOES?" A voice like rushing water: "Kothurni." The Chador
shifted a little... and under his full black skirts I saw them: big
weighted club-foot boots with concealed lifts, to disguise the wearer's
height. Wicked.
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you're protecting your meat identity, right?" The Chador seemed to teeter a
little. It goggled down at me as if I were a smear on a slide. Its
third-eye goggle was a lens. Check. Out of the ambient murk loomed another
Chador. Exactly the same height. Right. "How come you guys are in full
drag?"
"We're here for a... uh... party." The voice from the other Chador was a
flanged saxophone, but I could swear it had a Texas accent.
 "Rubbish. You're having a cell meeting, right? " The near Chador, the one
I had groped, seemed to teeter again. What sounded like a tape player on
fast-forward came faintly from its interior. An earphone? The saxophone
honked: "If I said I even understood what you meant, what kind of a chump
would that make me?" "I could hazard a guess. I think you're
cryptoanarchists -- what I'd call cypherpunks!" My Chador cracked up. I
could tell. The farther one seemed to stiffen; I think it was giving me a
hate stare. Hard to manage behind the whole 9 yards o' cloth. "Is that
clever or what? I'm onto you like psilocybe on cowshit, dudes. You want to
take over the world. Haha hahaha ha."
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encryption schemes? Let's talk cryptic. Tales from the cryp'ed. But make it
fast: The Memes are comin' on." Oh, I was bluffing. I don't know much about
cryptography. I was just 'tuding them from tech envy. Damn: Chadors. And me
without the first widget. From the far guy came a cello, very suave: "The
world has already been taken over. You may have noticed this. We're just
trying to get some of it back." And the 

Re: The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-10 Thread Tim May

At 11:58 AM -0500 12/10/00, Robert Guerra wrote:
Declan:

I completely agree with you that internet voting isn't quite ready 
fom prime-time just yet. But given the current snafu I highly 
suspect that there will be a lot of interest in the field.

Certainly, I hope one of the few things the new congress will be 
able to do is set-up a commission to propose new voting standards. 
Hopefully they will pick a standard that doesn't give rise to 
problems 30-40 years in the future...

personally, if I had a say I'd say they should adopt the same system 
Canada uses. They use a 100 year old system, had few if any 
recounts, and managed to count all thier manual ballots in less than 
72 hours.

It wasn't a close election, was it?

Didn't think so.

In the U.S., when the election isn't close, the ballots are counted, 
and recounted, by midnight of the day of the election...maybe by 
mid-morning the next day.

It's the _closeness_ that magnifies potential hinge points into court 
cases, redefinitions, and recriminations.

As for "Hey, kids, let's all put on an electronic vote!," it's been 
discussed many times here. And elsewhere. RISKS had a major 
discussion of the...risks.

As someone said in recentl weeks, if we really want to see elections 
stolen efficiently, make them electronic. No paper trail, no 
evidence, no chads, just pure gleaming bits.


--Tim May

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(This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the
election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)




Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-10 Thread petro

RAH whinged:
At 6:52 PM -0800 on 12/7/00, petro wrote:


At 05:31 PM 12/5/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

An instructive case.  Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring
to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files.

A PDA would have been harder to hack, one imagines.

Are there padlockable metal cases for PDAs?

As I've written, the FBI should run quality house cleaning services
in large cities.

  How do you know they don't?

Watch your attributions. I didn't say the above...

Anyone who has spent *ANY* time on Usenet or mailing lists 
can easily read the 's . If you didn't write *ANY* of the above, 
then your gripe is with the person to whom I am replying.
-- 
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authority, I keep imagining its competence."
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Re: Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight!

2000-12-10 Thread petro

Mr. May:


The author also mentions that consumers dislike (so?) tracking of 
their purchases...and then in the next paragraphs cites the 
Firestone tire recall as an example of better policy than most Web 
sites have (or something like this...I re-read his analogy several 
times and still wasn't sure what his claim was). But
I took that statement to mean that if Firestone exercised the 
same level of diligence in the engineering of their tires that most 
web sites used, they would be recalling a *LOT* more tires, enough to 
make the current recall a drop in the bucket.
-- 
A quote from Petro's Archives:
**
"Despite almost every experience I've ever had with federal 
authority, I keep imagining its competence."
John Perry Barlow




Re: A piece of advice??

2000-12-10 Thread Alan Olsen

At 06:18 PM 12/10/00 +0200, FRANKY wrote:

 Hello to everyone. I'm Alexis and as I'm new to  cryptography I
would appreciate a piece of advice. I've read the book "Applied
Cryptography" by Bruce Schneier and I also have the "ICSA Guide
to cryptography". However I would like to know where could I find more
books related to cryptography.


Just a note...  The ICSA crypto book is one of the WORST I have seen. It is 
very pro-GAK among other things.  (It also does not cover a number of 
topics that you would think. Kerberos gets a half a page.  I keep my copy 
as a reference of what crypto-systems are probably backdoored.

The Handbook of Applied Cryptography from CRC press is a good textbook 
approach to the field. (It is pretty expensive. About $90.)

 Also (if I'm not causing enough trouble already) as I'm trying to
secure one system I would like to kindly ask for guidance. How do we apply
an algorithm to a whole system? I know how to encode a message , but a
system?

You don't.  For security I suggest that you checkout one of the many books 
on firewalls and computer security specifically.

If you are trying to encrypt the entire drive, it depends on the OS as to 
what you would use.  The latest OpenBSD is supposed to have some 
interesting crypto-hooks.

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Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-10 Thread Anonymous

Sampo A Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just by the way, how widespread is this use of the word 'geodesic'?
 
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