Re: How do I become a member of Cyberpunks??
At 02:28 AM 12/19/00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I become a member of Cyberpunks?? Read too much William Gibson, get the jack installed in yer head, or maybe a set of those nice Ono-Sendai eye implants, and cowboy your way onto the net. If, however, you're looking for the cypherpunks mailing list, find the Cyphernomicon on the net, and read it. There are archives at inet-one in Singapore. If you send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask nicely, the friendly robot will send you mail. Save the email where you'll remember to look it up later, and then if you want 50-100 messages delivered to your doorstep daily, take the blue pill, or was it the red one. (Second edition of Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography is the red one.) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Size of a market is a shifting concept. British Columbia and Vancouver are certainly large markets. Compared to California markets this is a small market. Two million folks in the metro area and 3 million total in the province (state). If there were a nuclear power plant in western Canada, much of its output would likely go to Vancouver. Guess what? No nuke plants in western Canada. The size of the market makes nuclear power impractical. BC is a net exporter of energy. Lots of electricity, some oil and some natural gas. They have dammed a bunch of waterways. tanker. I believe I would rather have nuclear power plant in my neighbourhood than a liquidified natural gas facility. Perhaps you can lobby your politicians to allow nuclear power plants to be built in your region, then. Everyone gets excited about the dangers of nuclear power plants. In areas where sour natural gas is produced there is a lot of environmental damage. The original reason for settling Canada was to trap animals, skin them and sell the furs to Europe. Fur trappers didn't care if you dammed the rivers and poisoned the air and ground with hydrogen sulphate. If you work around sour gas you are advised that if your co-worker suddenly collapses you don't attempt to help him as he is probably already dead. You are advised to run upwind as fast as possible. They find cattle raised near sour gas wells and production facilities suffer from a significant increase in birth defects and still borns. There is some evidence appearing that man suffers the same problems as the animals. tanker. I believe I would rather have nuclear power plant in my neighbourhood than a liquidified natural gas facility. Perhaps you can lobby your politicians to allow nuclear power plants to be built in your region, then. I have lived and worked around gas plants and sour gas production facilities. I have done my hazardous duty. Again, until you witness the environmental damage associated with the energy business you have no idea... This whole post shows a shaky understanding of economics. You are bitching and moaning that someone else's bids on power exceed what you would like to pay. This is my second go around on the energy boom cycle. The only reason you are paying more is because of bad planning or producers not being allowed to build capacity when they wanted. There is no shortage, just some distribution problems. "I would like to have a Ferrari Testarossa, but there are so many people around the world willing to pay such outrageous prices that the prices have simply gotten out of control. If Californian would take responsibility for their outrageous lifestyles, there would not be so many Californians buying Ferraris and we people in British Columbia would have a chance to afford them." Being that BC and Alberta are big energy exporters there are lots of folks, and organizations, making big money on the current problems. I don't believe "around the world" is factual. There is lots of natural gas in the distribution system which is not connected to California. As for your own energy needs, install propane. This is what I have. And fill the tank well in advance of when spot market fluctuations drive the price up. Problem with propane is that it stinks so bad and it puts out a lot of moisture when burnt. Propane is a commodity and it has seen some wild fluctuation in recent years. Or move to a warmer clime. Living in the far north _does_ carry a price. I lived in the tropics for 8 years. I prefer the temperate rain forest where I currently reside. I like cool and rainy. One of my complaints about Vancouver is that it doesn't rain enough, too many nice sunny days. The problem with hot places is you can only take off so much clothing and you will still be hot. In cold climates you can put on more clothes and eat red meat to keep warm. Also, bear in mind that a lot of off-peak power is shipped into Canada from the Bonneville Power Administration. It seems we Yanks had the foresight to dam the Columbia River back in the 1930s. It's a reason the Hanford Nuclear Reservation was located in the Tri-Cities area--cheap and plentiful power--and it's a reason several aluminum smelters, including a Canadian one, located there. The Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) paid for a series of dams whose main purpose was to hold water for their power generation system. This series of dams were completed in the late 60s and they paid a set fee for the first 30 years of water rights or downstream benefits. After 30 years the downstream benefits were to be returned to BC or BPA had the option to purchase those benefits. The downstream benefits were to be returned to BC as power. Initially BPA promised $250 million for some set term and BC agreed to take the money. At the last minute BPA decided the benefits
Re: How do I become a member of Cyberpunks??
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 02:28 AM 12/19/00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do I become a member of Cyberpunks??
Read too much William Gibson, get the jack installed in yer head,
or maybe a set of those nice Ono-Sendai eye implants,
and cowboy your way onto the net.
There is already too much jacking off on the net...
If, however, you're looking for the cypherpunks mailing list,
find the Cyphernomicon on the net, and read it.
There are archives at inet-one in Singapore.
If you send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask nicely,
the friendly robot will send you mail. Save the email where
you'll remember to look it up later, and then if you want
50-100 messages delivered to your doorstep daily,
take the blue pill, or was it the red one.
(Second edition of Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography
is the red one.)
And the first edition is the blue one. ]:
The true way to join the Cypherpunks is to find a copy of the album by
"TimMay and The Lords of Darkness", play it backwards and listen for the
steggoed message. ("Leggo my steggo!")
[I gotta stop staying up so damn late...]
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Re: Announce: secret-admirers mail list(usenet)
On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 12:39:58AM -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote: At 11:24 AM 12/16/2000 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: Only by running your own mail or news server can you prevent the ISP from monitoring your email or news reading. Sorry to entering this thread so late but I had to bite on these comments. I have been in and out of the ISP business for the last 5 years. In my last real job I was responsible for a tech support team. [..] I wouldn't worry about most ISP invading your privacy. Most of them are too busy getting calls from 12:00 O'clock flashers and, my personal favourite, the caller who blamed us for uploading porn onto their computer. You missed the begining of this thread. The threat isn't from the ISP personnel, who like you say are too busy to spy. It's from law enforcement who get access (through subpoenas or simply asking for it) to the logs that the ISP's been keeping. They could then do traffic analysis on your a.a.m reading. -- Eric Murray Consulting Security Architect SecureDesign LLC http://www.securedesignllc.comPGP keyid:E03F65E5
Re: keyboard loggers.
Somebody wrote in response to Bill Stewart's message: At least under Windows 98 you can "Start", "Programs", "Accessories", "System Tools", "System Information", and list the "System Hooks". Most keyboard sniffers are installed as "hooks". If you see a new one, you may have a problem. Here's what a JYA machine shows (sorry if the table wraps): Hook type Hooked by ApplicationDLL path Application path Keyboard Wbhook32.dll WEBSCANX.EXE C:\PROGRAM FILES\NETWORK ASSOCIATES\MCAFEE VIRUSSCAN\Wbhook32.dll Same as DLL path CBTPgphk.dll PGPTRAY.EXE C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\pgphk.dll D:\PGP658\PGPTRAY.EXE Mouse Wbhook32.dll WEBSCANX.EXE C:\PROGRAM FILES\NETWORK ASSOCIATES\MCAFEE VIRUSSCAN\Wbhook32.dll Same as DLL path Surely Network Associates/PGP have no connection to the snoopers, but why scan keyboard and mouse?
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Crypto questions
I've been actively reading posts on this list for about two years now, and I'm in he process of actually trying to design/implement a data network where security is of the utmost priority. Where is a good starting point to find out about packages using algorithms which are unbreakable as of yet. All of the traffic will remain domestically within the US. The traffic will be SMTP. It would be illmatic if someone could reccomend a good reading list (current) on the bleeding edge of cryptography. Tks. in advance. CK$ Chad K. Scoville Internetwork Solutions Engineer Thrupoint, Inc. formerly Total Network Solutions 545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor New York, NY 10017 v 212.542.5451 p 800.555.9172 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thrupoint.net
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Re: keyboard loggers.
Alright... gotta get my two centz in here. #Yo out to Bill S... always good advice I'm guessing that with santa's problem it is almost impossible to keep people from putting key loggers onto a system if they have physical access to them. HPFS (Easy to beat) NTFS (Easy to beat) NTFS 5 (Easy to beat) UFS (Easy to beat) FAT (hahahahahhaha) It's all risk assessment Santa. If you don't trust your elves ya gotta pull the floppy, Zip, CD-ROM etc... access. Key loggers are easy to code and can be named whatever you call them. You could however write a simple program to look for all the executable files on your systems and the do a sum of the previous days results to see if there are any changes. Intrusion detection is key to picking this stuff up... its a process you engauge in. Not a capability you will be able to attain. Scoty "It's all about the Pentium" -Wierd Al From: Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "PFSanta Claus" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: keyboard loggers. Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:23:22 -0800 If you have to worry about people installing keyboard logging programs on your machine without your permission, either - you're using a public shared machine at a coffeeshop or school or Kinko's to do things you think need security, or - you're using your employer's machine, and shouldn't do things that are inappropriate to do at work, - you're using your employer's machine, and need a new employer who trusts his employees instead of feeling compelled to spy on them, - you're using your employer's machine, and your employer has a serious security problem with people trying to crack in at night, - you're sharing your home machine with a teenager who runs all sorts of game programs downloaded off the net or borrowed from friends, viruses and all, - you've got serious security problems of your own - if they can sneak in and install programs like that, they can install anything else they want, copy your hard disk, probably even steal your hard disk, or - the paranoids really are out to get you. For the shared-machine problem, don't use insecure machines to do secure stuff. Use disposable email accounts, American Express one-shot credit card numbers, and if you must log in to something, use one-time passwords (either S/Key or SecureID tokens or some similar mechanism.) There's been some work done on encryption programs that run in hand-held computers, whether Palm Pilot things with displays or JavaRings or smartcards without them. Matt Blaze, Ian Goldberg, and Martin Minow have done presentations on those topics. I'll leave you to figure out employer problems, and there are professionals who can help with paranoia, as long as you get to them before the Feds get to you. One approach for the teenager problem (or the related problem of machines for lab use, especially firewall research) is removable disk drives. You can get disk drive drawers for IDE/Ultra/DMA/etc for about $20, and spare disks are only $100 or so. Keep a clean copy for installing software you trust, password-protected-screensavered to reduce accidents, and give the kid his own disk to play with, plus teach him how to reinstall software from CD-ROM when it gets trashed. It's the computer equivalent of buying a full-sized beater car for your kid to learn to drive in - extra weight, airbags, and an exterior you don't care about dents in. If the kid has his own machine, and you're sharing a network, that's more trouble. You'll have to firewall your machine off from the kid's, or at least mainly run the clean copy disconnected from the net, and make sure the kid keeps current virus protection installed and running. At 12:05 PM 12/18/00 -0900, PFSanta Claus wrote: Hi, I came across your addies in a search off ask Jeeves and thought perhaps due to the way your interests run you might be up on this topic. I'm a Sr. Support Analyst for a large vendor and recently was asked by one of my casual internet contacts if there was a way to prevent a "keyboard logging" surveillance program from prevailing on their system and reporting the goings on from their keyboard. In an effort to be helpful, I set about my normal pattern of research and found that there seems to be a ton of info promoting various products, yet there is virtually nothing I could find which offers any realistic or reliable countermeasures that can be taken to prevent someone from logging the output from your keyboard. Even the hackers seem to think it isn't a threat to anyone's privacy. Weird... Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: Crypto questions
Honestly, it's pretty easy to take care of everything you need. Since you're using SMTP you obviously know how long the message is so you can use fairly well anything. Also because it's going over SMTP you need to be aware that you should base-64 encode everything, and the other issues. However what you need is simply: a random number generator an implementation of RSA-OAEP a good block cipher with a good chaining method (Rijndael, CBC is great) a signature scheme do the following generate a 128-bit number K D = RSA-OAEP(K) B = data | signature(data) S = D | RijndaelCBC(K, B) send(base-64(S)) Toss in some markers, something along the lines of "---Begin PGP encrypted message---" and it should work wonderfully. The reverse should be obvious, but just to make sure T = receive() S = base-64Decode(T) (D, B)= Parse(S)BasedOnMarking K = RSA-OAEPDecrypt(D) data = RijndaelCBCDecrypt(K, B) You can send anything you want this way. You can also add compression to the data before encryption, and decompress after decryption. It's not bleeding edge, but it's dependable, it's fast, it's secure, and if you're really paranoid about security, move to SHA-256 with RSA-OAEP, and use a 256-bit Rijndael key. You'll also need to make sure you use properly sized RSA keys. If you want something closer to bleeding edge, go with XTR in place of RSA, and well Rijndael is just an all around great cipher. If you want to strive for exotic, use XTR and Serpent. Of course if you want the tried and true use 3DES instead of Rijndael. If you want the most buzzwords for you condition use half-ephemeral ECC like this: do the following generate a random private key generate the public key to go with it, P Compute the shared secret, K B = data | signature(data) S = P | RijndaelCBC(K, B) send(base-64(S)) Decryption is left as an exercise. If you'd like more help there are plenty of people on the cypherpunks list (myself included) that are capable of consulting to determine what parameters you need to use. Joe - Original Message - From: "Scoville, Chad" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: Crypto questions I've been actively reading posts on this list for about two years now, and I'm in he process of actually trying to design/implement a data network where security is of the utmost priority. Where is a good starting point to find out about packages using algorithms which are unbreakable as of yet. All of the traffic will remain domestically within the US. The traffic will be SMTP. It would be illmatic if someone could reccomend a good reading list (current) on the bleeding edge of cryptography. Tks. in advance. CK$ Chad K. Scoville Internetwork Solutions Engineer Thrupoint, Inc. formerly Total Network Solutions 545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor New York, NY 10017 v 212.542.5451 p 800.555.9172 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thrupoint.net
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