Re: Reading List (for the umpteenth time....)

2001-04-20 Thread Sampo Syreeni

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, James A. Donald wrote:

Detweiler repeatedly attempted that hack in several different newsgroups
and mailing lists, and repeatedly failed.   Everyone would come to the
conclusion that he was a loon, and that anyone who agreed with him was
either a tentacle or a fellow loon.

Hmm. I wouldn't care to advertise my ignorance (as Detweiler is certainly
part of net.legend), what *was* the final outcome of that ordeal?

(Feel free to answer offline, or to post links only.)

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Re: Reading list

2000-10-19 Thread Alan Olsen

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Tim May wrote:

 
 To expand on this point:
 
 At 10:58 AM -0700 10/19/00, Tim May wrote:
 
 Indeed. We used to have the reasonable expectation that nearly 
 everyone on the list had some familiarity with the "classics." For 
 example, Friedman's "Machinery of Freedom," Hazlitt's "Economics in 
 One Lesson," Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," Vinge's "True Names," 
 Card's "Ender's Game," Rand's "Atlas Shrugged," Brunner's "Shockwave 
 Rider," and maybe even some of the writings of Spooner, Benson, Von 
 Mises, Tannehill, Hospers, and Rothbard. These works helped to 
 establish a common vocabulary, a common set of core concepts.
 
 Not that everyone was a libertarian, let alone a Libertarian. But 
 the core concepts were known, and those who didn't know about them 
 were motivated to go off and look them up. We had fewer folks 
 arguing for socialism in those days.
 
 
 The point is not that people must be indoctrinated into the correct 
 ideology, but that these and similar books captured the Zeitgeist of 
 our times vis-a-vis cyberspace, the collapse of borders, the 
 internationalization of commerce, etc. Throw in "Moore's law and the 
 geodesic network" if your initials are the same as Heinlein's.
 
 It's not important that everyone read _every_ one of these books. But 
 it _is_ important that they read and internalize at least _some_ of 
 them.


I find those lists useful because i find that a number of them I have not
read.  I prefer recomendations from sources that might share my interests
than those that might be just a paid shill for a the book publishing
company. (Like, say, the New York Times Best Seller List(tm).)

Not all of us have the free time to research interesting book, or the
exposure to the same sources.  The lists are helpful. 


I also recommend a list of books that piss people off while reading.
Things like "The ICSA Guide to Cryptography". (The most pro-GAK crypto
book I have ever read. I keep it as a reminder of which libraries and
products to avoid.)

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Re: Reading list

2000-10-19 Thread dmolnar



On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Alan Olsen wrote:

 I also recommend a list of books that piss people off while reading.
 Things like "The ICSA Guide to Cryptography". (The most pro-GAK crypto
 book I have ever read. I keep it as a reminder of which libraries and
 products to avoid.)

I've only had occasion to flip through this in a bookstore. I remember
thinking that it could have used another 2 or 3 re-edits. Also that its
treatment of semantic security and probabilistic encryption was pretty
bad. Must have missed the pro-GAK stuff.

I think one of the books which made me wonder "what the hell" was _The
Frozen Republic_ in the last part -- the author argues that separation of
powers is an outmoded and silly concept, our government can't act fast
enough, and wouldn't we be better off with a British style system for
doing things which didn't have all these checks and balances? 
With due respect to British readers, I think the RIP act shows one of the
reasons why we would not be better off. Not that our own equivalent
isn't far behind; haven't there been murmurs for a while about making
"the use of cryptography in committing a crime" a separate crime? :-\

-david