United States of America

2016-10-04 Thread juan
This should sum it up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread juan
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 04:07:52 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:29 -0300, juan wrote: > >> On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 > >> "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out > >> >

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread jim bell
From: Razer On 10/04/2016 08:07 PM, juan wrote: >>     ...but I don't think the mafia known as 'american government' >>     would agree with that. Subjects, hostages or 'citizens' of the >>     american government are, well, subjected to that mafia. The >>     subjection has

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread jim bell
From: Shawn K. Quinn On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 02:26 +, jim bell wrote: >> Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not applicable outside >> the United States (and its territories) unless the law explicitly says >> so.  The term is called "extraterritorial

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:29 -0300, juan wrote: > On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 > "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > > > > > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out there, > > and for the US government to try to keep it secret is at least a bit > >

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
>> The term is called "extraterritorial jurisdiction" > > A double criminal absurdity. The mafia known as government has > no real 'jurisdiction' in the territory they usurp, let alone in > territories 'belonging' to other mafias. On this, at least, we can agree completely.

Re: Wikileaks says Wednesday is the End for Hillary.

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
> You disagree because you just keep cheating. There isn't much > to add. Logic isn't about 'agreement' with you, or with the > party. I take this to mean that you don't believe that logic requires fundamental assumptions that cannot be proven, but must be agreed upon? And

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread juan
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:17:36 -0500 "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > > I do agree in principle that the information needs to get out there, > and for the US government to try to keep it secret is at least a bit > un-American, if not flagrantly so. Au contraire. It's 100%

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 20:07 -0700, Razer wrote: > I was going to bring up the concept that corporate officers (at least) > are really OWNED by the corporation that employs them and the US > government probably considers them as 'being in the US' no matter > where they go as long as they're in the

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 02:26 +, jim bell wrote: > Generally speaking, American Federal laws are not applicable outside > the United States (and its territories) unless the law explicitly says > so. The term is called "extraterritorial jurisdiction" >

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 08:07 PM, juan wrote: > > ...but I don't think the mafia known as 'american government' > would agree with that. Subjects, hostages or 'citizens' of the > american government are, well, subjected to that mafia. The > subjection has little to do with which

Wikileaks 10th Anniversary

2016-10-04 Thread grarpamp
Thanks Wikileaks, Julian, leakers, et al, for the journalism and the sunshine. May another 10 years of secrets be set free.

Re: [Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
It's noted in the article that Twitter did a FISA/FISC Glomar: "“Federal law prohibits us from answering your question, and we’re currently suing the Justice Department for the ability to disclose more information about government requests,” Twitter spokesman Nu Wexler said in a statement." On

[Was, and still is: yahoo sux] Security experts urge clients to stop using Yahoo Mail

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 02:30 PM, jim bell wrote: > Yahoo secretly scanned customer emails for US intelligence-sources http://dailym.ai/2dOI1gj via http://dailym.ai/android > I wonder if the execs who approved this or someone on Y!'s legal team who advised them to comply is secretly on Google's payroll

yahoo sux

2016-10-04 Thread jim bell
Yahoo secretly scanned customer emails for US intelligence-sources http://dailym.ai/2dOI1gj via http://dailym.ai/android Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Yahoo covertly built a program to search all of its customers' incoming emails for specific information

2016-10-04 Thread Greg Newby
Spotted in Ars: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/10/report-fbi-andor-nsa-ordered-yahoo-to-build-secret-e-mail-search-tool/ Yahoo’s CISO resigned in 2015 over secret e-mail search tool ordered by feds Reuters: Yahoo "complied with a classified US government directive." Cyrus Farivar -

Re: Wikileaks says Wednesday is the End for Hillary.

2016-10-04 Thread juan
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 05:11:49 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > > > It's quite clear that your idiotic ramblings are anything > > but accurate. But of course, since your goal is propaganda, > > accuracy is something you don't want at all. > > Thank you with going for the a-list troll

Re: "Tor is dead technology"

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 09:39 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > > On 10/03/2016 09:59 PM, Razer wrote: >> The poster of that tweet, @thegrugq, 'security researcher', also >> said: "the government doesn’t use Tor." > >> https://twitter.com/attractr/status/783014723226861568 > >> Comments? > > "I was

Re: "Tor is dead technology"

2016-10-04 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2016 09:59 PM, Razer wrote: > The poster of that tweet, @thegrugq, 'security researcher', also > said: "the government doesn’t use Tor." > > https://twitter.com/attractr/status/783014723226861568 > > Comments? "I was familiar with TOR

DefecTor ... meet DetecTor

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
"DetecTor is an open source project to implement client side SSL/TLS MITM detection, compromised CA detection and server impersonation detection, by making use of the Tor network." http://detector.io/

Re: "Tor is dead technology"

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
> As X said, it DOES sort of tip the opponent off that you have something > to hide, but whether they can identify 'you'... especially using > something like Tails that spoofs your mac address and leaves no trace > that you've ever done anything more than power up at a given time. > > So if you're

Re: Wikileaks says Wednesday is the End for Hillary.

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
> It's worse than that :( In that I agree with much of what he says. Or at > least, I get his perspective, as part of a working understanding. But > he's clearly not interested in that :( So it goes. Yeah. It's like I told a friend of mine once during a discussion. "That is a lucid, cogent, well

Re: "Tor is dead technology"

2016-10-04 Thread Razer
On 10/04/2016 05:58 AM, John Newman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 06:59:57PM -0700, Razer wrote: >> The poster of that tweet, @thegrugq, 'security researcher', also said: >> "the government doesn???t use Tor." >> >> https://twitter.com/attractr/status/783014723226861568 >> >> Comments? > >

Re: Wikileaks says Wednesday is the End for Hillary.

2016-10-04 Thread xorcist
> > Ignoring what he writes, and declining to address whatever I notice, > works pretty well :) > Truth. I should learn to look at chatter like juan's as something akin to entropy. Alas, I have difficulty accepting the heat death of the universe as well; I suppose that's 'on me' as they say.

Re: "Tor is dead technology"

2016-10-04 Thread John Newman
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 06:59:57PM -0700, Razer wrote: > The poster of that tweet, @thegrugq, 'security researcher', also said: > "the government doesn???t use Tor." > > https://twitter.com/attractr/status/783014723226861568 > > Comments? I would think US governemnt actors, using tor, would be

Re: Wikileaks says Wednesday is the End for Hillary.

2016-10-04 Thread Mirimir
On 10/03/2016 02:00 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: >> Not 'we'. I'm commenting on the estalishment progaganda you >> post. > > Yah. > >> >> What? You can't come up with any decent answer, piece-of-shit >> psychobabble scam artist? > > Actually, I found that answer quite