Re: Corrupt Hillary's position on Encryption.

2016-10-20 Thread grarpamp
> https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/leaked-emails-suggest-cozy-relationship-09345.html Sure she'd encrypt all the new govt tracking databases she'd create, such as this one... nevermind that both knowing 18 and opting out still requires an entry just for you... birth to death, You lose. htt

Corrupt Hillary's position on Encryption.

2016-10-20 Thread jim bell
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/leaked-emails-suggest-cozy-relationship-09345.html [Don't worry:  Hillary always has a PUBLIC position and a PRIVATE position.]            Jim Bell

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Razer wrote: > Is it considered unusual to think politicians need to be held to a > HIGHER STANDARD needing DIFFERENT RULES if they're going to have > relegated and delegated power over our lives? Don't forget another type... engineered power. One example... In

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
On 10/20/2016 04:12 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > May be Trump with his love to "drain the swamp", would consider > all government expenditure as a valid, legitimate target for fully > detailed, transaction by transaction, publication? He'll run the US government just like he runs his businesse

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 08:30:44AM -0700, Razer wrote: > On 10/19/2016 12:45 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > https://theintercept.com/2016/10/19/is-disclosure-of-podestas-emails-a-step-too-far-a-conversation-with-naomi-klein/ > > youtube-dl https://soundcloud.com/the_intercept/disclosure_glennnaomi_v1 > >

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:59:55PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: > Yes well naomi is an elite so elite's concern themselves with so called > "protections" > > Hierarchy is in all human shit > > Activists that are elite pose a huge threat to us all tremendously more > than any leak ever could Yes! Hu

Re: Causing systemic change / achieving a lasting "win" - honest businessmen - gold and silver coin

2016-10-20 Thread juan
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:17:24 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:10:33AM -0300, juan wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:39:27 +1100 > > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 07:44:42PM -0300, juan wrote: > > > > This is what happens to honest busi

Re: US Nat'l Academies formalizes cooperation with intel agencies to further ensconce academia with imperial neoliberalism

2016-10-20 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/2016 07:35 PM, M373 wrote: > Spy agencies team up with National Academies Expanded ties include > new board, first-ever survey of social sciences and security Well that's certainly ignorant bullshit. The U.S. intelligence community was the

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Cari Machet
Yes well naomi is an elite so elite's concern themselves with so called "protections" Hierarchy is in all human shit Activists that are elite pose a huge threat to us all tremendously more than any leak ever could On Oct 20, 2016 8:47 PM, "Razer" wrote: On 10/20/2016 10:26 AM, Kevin Gallaghe

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
On 10/20/2016 10:26 AM, Kevin Gallagher wrote: > Thanks for the reply! I will consider these things. > > The only thing that worries me is the proposal that we use the same > criteria as the people we are claiming to be criminals. Implicate the > whole family for the sins of one... It just don't

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread grarpamp
> For clarification on your opinion, do their children have private lives > or have they been forced into the spotlight based on nothing but who > their parents happen to be? It would be hard to find anyone that would not agree with a strong sense that kids should always held private. >> applies

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Kevin Gallagher
Thanks for the reply! I will consider these things. The only thing that worries me is the proposal that we use the same criteria as the people we are claiming to be criminals. Implicate the whole family for the sins of one... It just don't seem like an improvement to me. It implies that people who

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
On 10/20/2016 09:50 AM, Kevin Gallagher wrote: > Hello Razer, > > I actually don't disagree with you at all. I agree with the > "transparency for the powerful, privacy for the weak" mindset that is so > ingrained in cypherpunk culture. I was just wondering where we draw the > line between the p

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Kevin Gallagher
Hello Razer, I actually don't disagree with you at all. I agree with the "transparency for the powerful, privacy for the weak" mindset that is so ingrained in cypherpunk culture. I was just wondering where we draw the line between the powerful and the weak. There is no doubt in my mind that the

Hey Cee Cee... Fix your bot

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
This was dated the 16th and your bot finally got around to forwarding it through pglaf.org Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on spoonbill.riseup.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AM_TRUNCATED,BAYES

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
On 10/20/2016 08:56 AM, Kevin Gallagher wrote: > This is an interesting argument. > > For clarification on your opinion, do their children have private lives > or have they been forced into the spotlight based on nothing but who > their parents happen to be? > Let me put it this way. The warmong

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Kevin Gallagher
This is an interesting argument. For clarification on your opinion, do their children have private lives or have they been forced into the spotlight based on nothing but who their parents happen to be? On 10/20/2016 11:30 AM, Razer wrote: > > On 10/19/2016 12:45 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> https://the

[OT] Citizen applications for 'Asgardia' opened.

2016-10-20 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
Citizen applications for 'Asgardia' opened. Mirimir, John, let's try? The Earth is too mainstream for us, hahahaha!! ;D And, of course, it will be f-ck¡ng fun running the first hackerspace in the space, wohooo!!! ;D http://asgardia.space/citizenship http://airc.at/#1 https://www.rt.com/vira

Re: Intercept Greenwald Klein Talk Waffling Full Disclosure

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
On 10/19/2016 12:45 PM, grarpamp wrote: > https://theintercept.com/2016/10/19/is-disclosure-of-podestas-emails-a-step-too-far-a-conversation-with-naomi-klein/ > youtube-dl https://soundcloud.com/the_intercept/disclosure_glennnaomi_v1 > > Some news organizations, including The Intercept, have dev

Re: Causing systemic change / achieving a lasting "win" - honest businessmen - gold and silver coin

2016-10-20 Thread Razer
On 10/19/2016 11:10 PM, juan wrote: > Maybe the moral of the story is that democracy is rather flawed. "If voting > changed anything they'd make it illegal" I have to point out that, at least at a local level, it can, and they do. The example I cite is TexASS, where there were going to be a nu

Re: Tor and Torsocks updates

2016-10-20 Thread John Newman
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:27:32AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> For people using tor... >> >> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-0289-released-important-fixes >> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2016-October/011579.html >

Re: Tor and Torsocks updates

2016-10-20 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:27:32AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > For people using tor... > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-0289-released-important-fixes > https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2016-October/011579.html * Fix memcpy buffer overrun in gethostbyaddr() * Fix memcpy(

Re: Tor and Torsocks updates

2016-10-20 Thread John Newman
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:13 AM, John Newman wrote: > > >>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Mirimir wrote: >>> >>> On 10/19/2016 10:27 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> For people using tor... >>> >>> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-0289-released-important-fixes >>> https://lists.torproject.org/piper

Re: Tor and Torsocks updates

2016-10-20 Thread John Newman
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 10/19/2016 10:27 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> For people using tor... >> >> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-0289-released-important-fixes >> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2016-October/011579.html > > Huh? So in OSX, one can

Re: Causing systemic change / achieving a lasting "win" - honest businessmen - gold and silver coin

2016-10-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
PS, the oligarchs running the Western fiat human control network, nearly lost control in their last mathematically certained reset in 1929 - the local currencies started taking off and the people nearly got control of their money (back again). You gotta be strong if you want your freedom, and most

Re: Causing systemic change / achieving a lasting "win" - honest businessmen - gold and silver coin

2016-10-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
(Guessing you meant this to be on-list Steven.) It is likely (he had some number of employees) that he used lawyers. That was problem #1. Yes, problem #2, from what you say it appears he acted "double minded" in his accounting, vs his filings/ defence in the court. Double minded is a legal phras

WikiLeaks Articl: WikiLeaks reveals Obama’s line in the sand. You won’t believe what it is

2016-10-20 Thread jim bell
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/19/wikileaks-reveals-obama-s-line-in-sand-won-t-believe-what-it-is.html [partial quote begins] It could well be the Russians who are behind the torrent of embarrassing emails.  Hillary Clinton in 2011 angered Putin by accusing him of perpetrating fraud in Ru