Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-19 Thread jim bell
Oddly, I just looked at my browser's (Yahoo) spam folder, and I noticed that all the messages from grarpam were there.  I did not do that, and certainly not intentionally.  At least as far back as Nov 13.  Presumably all messages before that got auto-deleted from the spam folder.   Anyway,

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-18 Thread grarpamp
> Besides, you already have general prediction markets already > What are your thoughts on that? There are a great many games out there, more and more everyday (as open tech rightly hath no pause itself), many of which many fail to understand. Play on, merrily, my friends and fiends.

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-18 Thread juan
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 19:58:38 + (UTC) jim bell wrote, replying to gmkarl > And what speech occurs can > probably be made anonymous.  How would "the rich" target their "enemies" if > they cannot identify them? > Jim, you are taking anonimity for granted it seems, but in reality the

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-18 Thread furrier
You fail to understand that society is not comprised only by rational actors and is more complex than a simple if-else statement. Adding one more thing to spread fear and death is redundant. On a massive scale this ends up being at best a PR disaster for the people backing it up. Besides, you

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-18 Thread furrier
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 17, 2018 8:58 PM, jim bell wrote: > Furrier: > > You show your biases when you say "creating a tool to murder people". > Arguably, the AP as a new tool (as I foresee it) would also allow people to > defend themselves from aggression, and I

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-17 Thread grarpamp
> creating a tool to murder people No. AP is really only invoked as legitimate defensive action to aggression, as would any other existing and well calibrated natural response to same. Most fail to recognize the important early mechanism of AP... that *well* before such defensive measures need

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-17 Thread juan
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:16:51 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > On Friday, December 14, 2018, 2:20:10 PM PST, juan > wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:10 -0500 > John Newman wrote: > > > >> I'm cynical - about AP, about humanity, about the chances of ever > >> divesting ourself of

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-17 Thread jim bell
Furrier: You show your biases when you say "creating a tool to murder people".  Arguably, the AP as a new tool (as I foresee it) would also allow people to defend themselves from aggression, and I define "aggression" to include being victimized by governments.  Most weapons can be misused.  A

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-16 Thread jim bell
On Friday, December 14, 2018, 2:20:10 PM PST, juan wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:10 -0500 John Newman wrote: >> I'm cynical - about AP, about humanity, about the chances of ever >> divesting ourself of what seems to be the plotted destination for >> civilization: dystopia for the

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-16 Thread furrier
Your idea sucks because creating a tool to murder people is not adding anything new to the picture. We already have it and it's called "the goverment". Like any other violence-provocative tool that fits the status quo, the more powerful people are going to take control of it and use it for

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:10 -0500 John Newman wrote: > > I'm cynical - about AP, about humanity, about the chances of ever > divesting ourself of what seems to be the plotted destination for > civilization: dystopia for the masses. Don't worry! There will be no dystopia for the

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-14 Thread John Newman
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 01:31:38PM +, Karl wrote: > Came up with a counterargument: > > The rich few already control the many perhaps via lobbying, bribing, > black markets, but AP makes the process transparent, resulting in an > environment that is actually safer than before. I think it

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-13 Thread jim bell
Any answer from Karl or Furrier? Naturally, I'm genuinely interested to find out if my AP idea has any flaws.  Many people could say, and no doubt many of them have said, 'I just don't LIKE your AP idea, Jim!'.   But that doesn't mean it wouldn't work.  Or that it isn't necessary.   A person

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-11 Thread jim bell
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 2:18:45 PM PST, Karl wrote: >I think I'm beginning to understand some of where you come from.  It sounds like you blame our problems on the presence of legal government. I don't know why you added the word "legal" before the word "government".  A redundancy? 

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-11 Thread Karl
Jim, Thanks for your reply. I think I'm beginning to understand some of where you come from. It sounds like you blame our problems on the presence of legal government. I believe government is mostly just expressing the wishes of those with the power to influence votes and laws. I see money as

AP was Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-11 Thread juan
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:31:38 + Karl wrote: > Came up with a counterargument: > > The rich few already control the many perhaps via lobbying, bribing, > black markets, the rich and the government akready have vast powers. The thieving oligarchy also know as 'the rich' don't really

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-11 Thread jim bell
My comments inline.                Jim Bell On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 3:29:14 AM PST, Karl wrote: >Hi Jim Bell,>I sent you a message some time ago when I heard about this idea, >but I didn't get a reply. I searched, and found a number of messages about "Public Shielded Work

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-11 Thread Karl
Came up with a counterargument: The rich few already control the many perhaps via lobbying, bribing, black markets, but AP makes the process transparent, resulting in an environment that is actually safer than before. Karl On 12/11/18, Karl wrote: > Hi Jim Bell, > > I sent you a message some

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-11 Thread Karl
Hi Jim Bell, I sent you a message some time ago when I heard about this idea, but I didn't get a reply. If you receive this e-mail, this is my misunderstanding: As it offers a market, doesn't AP give life-and-death power to those with the most money? Wouldn't this provide for the set of people

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-10 Thread jim bell
furrier Furrier: I notice that you haven't responded to my comment.  Do you not have any answer?  You claim to not "agree" with me.   If that were the case, you should be able to explain why. Why don't you think AP could work?  What do you believe wouldn't work about it?                      

AP was Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-10 Thread juan
On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 23:23:05 + furrier wrote: > I watched you live both in Acapulco and Prague. I don't agree with you > and I don't understand how can people be so naive to think that AP > can actually work. I am against the whole idea, it's the same thing as > cracking down on

Fw: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-09 Thread jim bell
[apparently the address for the CP list wasn't the one I normally use] My comments inline: On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 3:23:09 PM PST, furrier wrote: >I watched you live both in Acapulco and Prague. I don't agree with you and I don't understand how can people be so naive to think

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-09 Thread furrier
I watched you live both in Acapulco and Prague. I don't agree with you and I don't understand how can people be so naive to think that AP can actually work. I am against the whole idea, it's the same thing as cracking down on cryptocurrency or dark markets to fight terrorism. If you want to fight

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-08 Thread jim bell
On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 7:37:50 AM PST, John Newman wrote: > On Dec 7, 2018, at 12:37 PM, furrier wrote: > >> I will disagree with you here. Craig may be an idiot and >> the fact that he holds patents makes him dangerous but he >> does not have the network effect that the BCH

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-08 Thread John Newman
> On Dec 7, 2018, at 12:37 PM, furrier wrote: > > I will disagree with you here. Craig may be an idiot and > the fact that he holds patents makes him dangerous but he > does not have the network effect that the BCH "community" has. > They are all over the place when it comes to fake >

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-07 Thread furrier
I will disagree with you here. Craig may be an idiot and the fact that he holds patents makes him dangerous but he does not have the network effect that the BCH "community" has. They are all over the place when it comes to fake libertarianism. I attended Anarchapulco last February, these guys are

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-02 Thread juan
On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:25:52 + furrier wrote: > FYI I don't give a flying fuck about BSV and I consider > Faketoshi an idiot and dangerous scammer but I really > enjoyed this guy's breakdown of the BCH problems that > were made apparent after the split. Instead of making > assumptions, you

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-02 Thread furrier
FYI I don't give a flying fuck about BSV and I consider Faketoshi an idiot and dangerous scammer but I really enjoyed this guy's breakdown of the BCH problems that were made apparent after the split. Instead of making assumptions, you could just ask. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday,

Re: BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-02 Thread juan
On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 20:05:44 + furrier wrote: > https://medium.com/@_unwriter/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-cash-experiment-52b86d8cd187 > > Libertardians enjoying their scammy experiment LMAO! The guy who wrote that article is an 'ex' bcrash supporter who is crying because

BCH finally hit the fan

2018-12-02 Thread furrier
https://medium.com/@_unwriter/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-cash-experiment-52b86d8cd187 Libertardians enjoying their scammy experiment