Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2020-02-16 Thread grarpamp
> How about https://nymtech.net/ ? Who knows whatabout such things. Post such random links to the list instead, and maybe people will evaluate about it there. > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:22 AM wrote: >> > low-latency >> >> This phrase is misused by many as if it were some kind >> of litmus test

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-18 Thread grarpamp
> https://pando.com/2019/10/23/we-sold-pando/ https://pando.com/author/ylevine/ Might want to see that articles from the above author and others on the subject are archived.

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-15 Thread Steven Schear
I think the most common tech term is "depreciation". Tor should be o marked on their boot page but that assumes there is a practical replacement. On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 2:38 AM grarpamp wrote: > >>> snowden also said that > >>> the NSA can't break tor. > >> Such blanket context is unlikely. > > w

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 11:57:32AM -, Spirit of Nikopol wrote: > On Sat, December 14, 2019 2:36 am, grarpamp wrote: > snowden also said that the NSA can't break tor. > >>> Such blanket context is unlikely. > > [.] > > > Also unfortunate that, today, one of the few places still > > pr

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-14 Thread Spirit of Nikopol
On Sat, December 14, 2019 2:36 am, grarpamp wrote: snowden also said that the NSA can't break tor. >>> Such blanket context is unlikely. [.] > Also unfortunate that, today, one of the few places still > propagating such blankets, in reverse via false advertising, downplaying, > failing t

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-13 Thread grarpamp
>>> snowden also said that >>> the NSA can't break tor. >> Such blanket context is unlikely. > was Also unfortunate that, today, one of the few places still propagating such blankets, in reverse via false advertising, downplaying, failing to mention, etc... is the Tor project itself, not least whe

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-09 Thread grarpamp
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tor+vs+vpn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EsPIIwnAXM

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-09 Thread grarpamp
Tor vs VPN podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qE4J-7Iwzc https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjr2bPAyPV7t35MvcgT3W8Q/videos

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-02 Thread grarpamp
>> http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/categories/19-Tor > > That article links to another article which some may find much more > interesting (same author apparently): My link above is not a link to an article, it's to a blog tag that collates 22 articles about more ways that Tor, tor, an

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Dec 02, 2019 at 07:01:55PM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/categories/19-Tor That article links to another article which some may find much more interesting (same author apparently): https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/789-Cyber-Goa

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-02 Thread grarpamp
http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/categories/19-Tor

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-01 Thread grarpamp
https://web.archive.org/web/20160429124221/techeye.net/news/tor-developer-helps-spooks-hack-tor A former Tor Project developer is making a living creating malware for the Federal Bureau of Investigation that allows agents to unmask users of the anonymity software.

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-12-01 Thread jamesd
On 2019-11-26 05:11, Jim bell wrote: I'm convinced there are too many security issues for high privacy communication over networks that eventually utilize or terminate on commercial facilities. Only specially designed, ptp, wireless comms using OTP or other trusted keying, combined with appr

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-29 Thread coderman
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, November 29, 2019 8:25 PM, grarpamp wrote: > https://medium.com/@virgilgr/tors-branding-pivot-is-going-to-get-someone-killed-6ee45313b559 > ... > 1. Theory for the Pivot > > In discussing this post, one of my colleagues opined that, from a > managem

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-29 Thread grarpamp
https://medium.com/@virgilgr/tors-branding-pivot-is-going-to-get-someone-killed-6ee45313b559 Tor’s Branding Pivot is Going to Get Someone Killed Aka, human rights activism meets the Cobra Effect Virgil Griffith Sep 4, 2016 · 7 min read "Three weeks ago, The Tor Project, Inc. published their Tor S

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-26 Thread rooty
HI MIRIMIR Original Message On Nov 25, 2019, 7:56 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 11/25/2019 08:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:58:09 + >> Peter Fairbrother wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> It should be noted that NSA do not say they can break TOR in practice, >>> and a

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Mirimir
On 11/25/2019 09:45 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:56:09 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> On 11/25/2019 08:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:58:09 + >>> Peter Fairbrother wrote: >>> It should be noted that NSA do not say they can break TOR

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread grarpamp
> Low latency means that only a few seconds of traffic need be considered. Web > means that users have lots of traffic repeats in time-defined patterns. These > make traffic analysis resistance hard. Without constant fill upon which they ride hiding within that... yes of course there's little re

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Mirimir
On 11/25/2019 08:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:58:09 + > Peter Fairbrother wrote: > >> >> >> It should be noted that NSA do not say they can break TOR in practice, >> and afaik there is no evidence that they have. > > yeah, the NSA can't break tor but some rand

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread grarpamp
> https://surveillancevalley.com/blog/fact-checking-the-tor-projects-government-ties > https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4379303-Bbg-Tor-Emails-Stack-21.html > https://www.documentcloud.org/public/search/Account:%2019359-yasha-levine https://www.documentcloud.org/public/search/projectid:3720

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Peter Fairbrother
On 23/11/2019 23:23, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: My guess is that the main reason for them to get as many users as they can is to justify funding. Initially the main reason was to increase traffic, in order to make traffic analysis harder. Really. I was around when the idea was first bei

Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Mirimir
On 11/25/2019 03:46 AM, grarpamp wrote: >> FOIA documents came out > > ? https://surveillancevalley.com/blog/fact-checking-the-tor-projects-government-ties https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4379303-Bbg-Tor-Emails-Stack-21.html Edit: Also https://www.documentcloud.org/public/search/Account

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Mirimir
On 11/25/2019 03:46 AM, grarpamp wrote: >> FOIA documents came out > > ? https://surveillancevalley.com/blog/fact-checking-the-tor-projects-government-ties https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4379303-Bbg-Tor-Emails-Stack-21.html

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 07:11:48PM +, jim bell wrote: > I can think of what might be a disproof of this:    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dining_cryptographers_problem      > > >> any low-latency web onion router - could not defeat The Man > > >This seems yet to be lacking proof and perhap

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 03:27:30PM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 06:03:38 -0500 > grarpamp wrote: > > > > by 'low latency' they mean two things : > > > > > > 1) 'efficient' use of data transmission capacity, i.e. whether chaff is > > > sent(expensive) or not. > > > > Ch

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 05:46:32AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > > FOIA documents came out > > ? > > > villians > > Various things people have mentioned, conspiracy or not, > that people can decide... > > > > Is that a quote from X... > > advertising tor as a means to > > "Defend yourself again

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread grarpamp
>> Chaff might be really only "expensive" if >> 1) Monetary, user chose to pay for it under metered plan, > > except, unmetered plans are a scam. Yes if you don't get the physical line rate or whatever the marketing tries to bullshit. > And that's the whole point. I think > it's safe to ass

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread jim bell
I can think of what might be a disproof of this:    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dining_cryptographers_problem      >> any low-latency web onion router - could not defeat The Man >This seems yet to be lacking proof and perhaps cannot actually be said without it. A message (or a dummy) could be

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread Steven Schear
I'm convinced there are too many security issues for high privacy communication over networks that eventually utilize or terminate on commercial facilities. Only specially designed, ptp, wireless comms using OTP or other trusted keying, combined with appropriate tradecraft are likely to be effectiv

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread grarpamp
> by 'low latency' they mean two things : > > 1) 'efficient' use of data transmission capacity, i.e. whether chaff is > sent(expensive) or not. Chaff might be really only "expensive" if 1) Monetary, user chose to pay for it under metered plan, or refuses to buildout free p2p, guerilla

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-25 Thread grarpamp
> FOIA documents came out ? > villians Various things people have mentioned, conspiracy or not, that people can decide... > Is that a quote from X... > advertising tor as a means to > "Defend yourself against network surveillance and traffic analysis." Posted that problem on tor-talk so

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 03:25:03PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 11/24/2019 04:00 AM, John Young wrote: > > Critique of Tor applies equally, perhaps moreso, to the whole Internet > > for monetization, technology, personnel, administration, operation, > > funding, seducing the public, NGOs, dissent. So

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-24 Thread Mirimir
On 11/24/2019 04:00 AM, John Young wrote: > Critique of Tor applies equally, perhaps moreso, to the whole Internet > for monetization, technology, personnel, administration, operation, > funding, seducing the public, NGOs, dissent. So too, to crypto, > anonymization, cypherpunks. > > Perennial que

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-24 Thread John Young
Critique of Tor applies equally, perhaps moreso, to the whole Internet for monetization, technology, personnel, administration, operation, funding, seducing the public, NGOs, dissent. So too, to crypto, anonymization, cypherpunks. Perennial question is how to sort through the tsunami of claims

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-23 Thread Mirimir
On 11/23/2019 04:23 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:39:55 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> >> The villains here are writers of the Tor Project website. They bullshit >> users, overselling Tor. Why, I don't know. Maybe it's all a honeypot. Or >> maybe they're just idiots. > >

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-23 Thread Mirimir
On 11/23/2019 10:00 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:21:08 -0500 > grarpamp wrote: > >> >>> low-latency >> >> This phrase is misused by many as if it were some kind >> of litmus test for determining TA resistance... it is not. > > by 'low latency' they mean two things : >

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-23 Thread Peter Fairbrother
On 23/11/2019 17:00, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:21:08 -0500 grarpamp wrote: low-latency This phrase is misused by many as if it were some kind of litmus test for determining TA resistance... it is not. by 'low latency' they mean two things : No, neither of tho

Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

2019-11-23 Thread grarpamp
> recommend utilizing Tor to combat government surveillance If users adversaries operate under whichever governments classification levels such as TOP SECRET FVEY, and especially if the users are doing something that such govts would take personal affront to, such users need to do some serious thi