Re: Diary of a Person of Interest (Suzie Dawson @Suzi3d)

[rooty]

Please get off the rock






 Original Message 
On Sep 29, 2016, 11:41 AM, Александр wrote:

[UPDATE: September 2016: nearly two years after being written, this piece has 
become a documentary of the same name: “ Diary of a Person of Interest” which 
is available for [free on Vimeo.com](https://vimeo.com/181517859) and also [on 
You Tube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KaxGN9WgRU). Please watch it and 
share it! Documentary release notes are here at [this pastebin 
link](http://pastebin.com/07ddePtY). Thank you!]

https://www.endarken.co.nz/diary-of-a-person-of-interest/

Diary of a Person of Interest

As for-profit, private sector, sub-contracted “Asset Tracking” (an Orwellian 
term that masks it’s true meaning – Spying On You) and related “investigatory” 
companies are being brought to light in the mainstream, it seems useful to 
share some insight into a day in the life of a subject of such unsavoury 
attention.
For no longer is the subject of state surveillance the traditional ‘criminal’ 
stereotype – but in fact regular people. The Persons of Interest are anyone 
with any access to any kind of information that is of even the vaguest interest 
to anyone with access to the apparently monolithic state spying apparatus.

Add in [two degrees of separation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRgSqghnK9o) 
to the “Asset Tracking” – ie., everyone the Person knows and everyone that they 
know for good measure, and you have everyone from suburban mothers to doctors 
to fishermen to airhostesses to school Principals getting followed around and 
having their communications pried into by total strangers.

While it is indeed an issue of immoral and intrusive surveillance, there is 
more to it. Once targeted by the state, there is an all encompassing 
psychological warfare as you are systematically conditioned to having the most 
intimate parts of your life laid open to all and sundry, for them to manipulate 
and, in some cases, profit from.

No act can be undertaken naturally – from the most banal decisions made in the 
bathroom to any attempt to have a relationship with another person. The more 
you are psychologically poked and prodded, the more you are forced to sidestep 
entrapment efforts, the more exacerbated your mental isolation, living in a 
world where the only person you can truly rely upon is yourself.

Decisions you make have complex and far-reaching consequences, not just for 
yourself but for the numerous people who knowingly or unknowingly will be 
affected by any choice you do make, and you live with the constant guilt of the 
ways in which you are affecting other people’s lives without ever intending to.

Some have described being the victim of such comprehensive intrusion and 
manipulation as ‘torture’ and suggested it is an issue for the U.N. to 
investigate.

I don’t personally feel qualified to make such a claim because being inside of 
it makes it impossible to have the level of detachment required to reduce it to 
a single blanket statement.

However I do innately know that the following daily thought processes are 
completely tragic and unnatural, and that humankind cannot continue like this.

Without further adieu: The Diary of a Person of Interest

4.30am – 6.30am: this is the worst time of the day. The entire neighbourhood is 
asleep but your neighbour’s dogs bark incessantly and you get to listen to the 
sounds of garage doors scraping and cars that shouldn’t be going anywhere at 
that time going nonetheless. It pays to be asleep between these hours.

7.30am: Awake on the couch where you slept fully clothed so that there wouldn’t 
be more footage of you walking around your house naked. The morning, which is 
structured around beautiful, happy and mostly oblivious children, is the 
easiest time to forget that you have not enjoyed any domestic privacy for 
nearly three years. The shrieks to get up, eat breakfast and hurry off out the 
door are normal morning sounds and familiar to the point of comfortable.

8.30am: It is time to go and you grab your keys, already looking at the cul de 
sac for the car that will leave ahead of you, and then the other car which will 
return behind you again after you have dropped the children at school. These 
cars, and many more, have been trailing you for years now and were a source of 
great mystery prior to seeing the documentary ‘[Operation 
8](http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/operation-8-2011)‘ on NZ on Screen and 
finally clicking as to what was taking place. Funnily enough, back at the 
beginning, when you were put in the hotseat via Skype to answer 10 fast 
questions from a total stranger, one of them was whether you knew any of the 
[Urewera 4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_Zealand_police_raids). You 
didn’t. You had never been an activist or an organiser or an independent 
journalist nor had any idea the surveillance state existed let alone that you’d 
one day be targeted by it. Now, after three years of its unwelcome, 

Re: Memory Hole

[juan]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:02 -0700
Razer  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> 
> > Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
> 
> How do you know?
> 
> Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are
> made of.
> 
> Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state



WHat's your point rayzer? That he was crazy? He wasnt'
'suicided' by the cops? 



 

Re: Memory Hole

[Razer]

On 09/29/2016 06:13 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>>
>>> Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
>>
>> How do you know?
> 
> When I first heard he died, I read a few articles that were kicking around
> about it, and his family and friends had mentioned it, along with his
> financial troubles. Or, at least I seem to remember it that way, at any
> rate.
> 
>>
>> Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are
>> made of.
>>
>> Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
> 
> Yeah, it could be.. but it doesn't take something as extreme, or rare, as
> a disassociative state to explain this, I don't think.


Trust me. It IS NOT rare.

Further, there ARE varying degrees... Leading to missing persons posters
for adults who simply wanted to get lost.

A lot of that in the computer industry historically. A LOT of that
action ends up here. Where I live. The location being NOYB.

Rr

> 
> Hard drinking and clinical depression alone is really enough, by itself.
> If you're trying to numb depression over losing a loved one while having
> your finances get all fucked is enough to drive a lot people over the edge
> in one way or another, especially if you're the type of person that bases
> their self-worth on such things. Which, in our society, unfortunately, is
> most people.
> 
> The again, a sudden shattering of self-worth can be the type of thing to
> cause a disassociative state, so .. who knows.
> 
> 

Re: Memory Hole

[xorcist]

>
>
> On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>
>> Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
>
> How do you know?

When I first heard he died, I read a few articles that were kicking around
about it, and his family and friends had mentioned it, along with his
financial troubles. Or, at least I seem to remember it that way, at any
rate.

>
> Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are
> made of.
>
> Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?

Yeah, it could be.. but it doesn't take something as extreme, or rare, as
a disassociative state to explain this, I don't think.

Hard drinking and clinical depression alone is really enough, by itself.
If you're trying to numb depression over losing a loved one while having
your finances get all fucked is enough to drive a lot people over the edge
in one way or another, especially if you're the type of person that bases
their self-worth on such things. Which, in our society, unfortunately, is
most people.

The again, a sudden shattering of self-worth can be the type of thing to
cause a disassociative state, so .. who knows.

Re: Memory Hole

[Cecilia Tanaka]

 On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Razer  wrote:

>
> Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are
> made of.
>
> Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state
>

​Listen the original music first:  https://youtu.be/LbLfg5m3tns​


​After it, watch the version with fun English subtitles. and an American
guy singing "please, pleaseee" in a very needy way, hihi... :)

https://youtu.be/RIJqgRutRGM

Re: Memory Hole

[Razer]

On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:

> Well, considering that he was taking it hard,

How do you know?

Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are
made of.

Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state

Rr


> 
>>  So he got rid of the wife/bitch/cunt. Another reason not to
>>  commit suicide.  Rest of your stupid psycho-drivel ignored.
> 
> Well, considering that he was taking it hard, it would seem he didn't
> consider her a bitch/cunt. Or were you just showing your misogynistic side
> because no sane female would put up with your shenanigans?
> 
> So, quite likely, it would seem the case is that she simply got tired of
> dealing with his persistent negativity, combativeness, and completely
> worthless sense of how to look at the world, and other people.
> 
> Wait.. nevermind. I got the two of you confused. Probably she was just
> looking for someone with a bigger cock.
> 
> Wait.. no, no.. I'm obviously still confused..
> 
> Uhm.. oh, whatever.
> 

Re: Memory Hole

[Razer]

On 09/29/2016 03:21 PM, juan wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> So what happened to Ian Murdock? 
> 
> 
> According to wiki-cesspool 
> 
> 
> "The last tweets from Murdock's Twitter account first announced that he
> would commit suicide, then said he would not. He reported having been
> assaulted by police, and having assaulted a police officer, then
> declared an intent to devote his life to opposing police abuse. His
> Twitter account was taken down shortly afterwards "
> 
> 
> That's super believable and super transparent, just what one would
> expect from the Free, Open, Democratic, Just and Benevolent Western
> Civilizatin, right? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


"I send you spinning
I send you spinning
I send you spinning all over the freeway
Spinning on the crowded freeway
Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway
Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway
Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway
(Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway) spin, spin, spin,
LOOK OUT!"

Dead Kennedys. The Owl.



I am your plumber, no I never went away
I still bug your bedrooms and pick up everything you say
It can be a boring job
To monitor all day your excess talk

I hear when you're drinking and cheating on your lonely wife
I play tape recordings of you to my friends at night
We've got our girl in bed with you
You're on candid camera, we just un-elected you, ha

I am the owl
I seek out the foul
Wipe 'em away, keep America free
For clean-livin' folks like me, hey, hey

If you demonstrate against somebody we like
I'll slip on my wig and see if I can start a riot
Transform you to an angry mob
And all your leaders go to jail for my job

But we ain't the Russians
Political trials are taboo
We've got our secret ways of getting rid of you
Fill you full of LSD
And turn you loose on a freeway, whee!

I am the owl
I seek out the foul
Wipe 'em away, keep America free
For clean-livin' folks like me

I send you spinning
I send you spinning
I send you spinning all over the freeway
Spinning on the crowded freeway
Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway
Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway
Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway
(Spinning on the freeway, spinning on the freeway) spin, spin, spin,
look out!

The press, they never even cared
Why a youth leader walked into a speeding car
In ten years or so we'll leak the truth
But by then it's only so much paper

You know, Watergate hurt
But nothing really ever changed
A teeny bit quiter but we still play our little games

But we still play our little games
But we still play our little games
We still play our little, we still play our little, we still play our
little ...
We still play a lot of games!

I am the owl
I am the owl
I seek out the foul
Wipe 'em away, keep America free
Wipe 'em away, keep America free
Wipe 'em away, keep America free
For me!

-30-

Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 08:49:24AM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 09/29/2016 06:38 AM, John Newman wrote:
> > But at least we have hbo..
> 
> And torrents ;)

Torrents over Tor, FTW! :)

Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[John Newman]

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 09/29/2016 06:38 AM, John Newman wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 3:14 AM, Mirimir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 09/29/2016 12:29 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:36:26 -
 
>   mate, you can't seriously expect me to play along with your
>   striking lack of basic intellectual honesty =)
 
 I don't expect anyone, to do anything. Except die. That we all have in
 common, at least thus far.
>>> 
>>> What is dead may never die ;)
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> And what is yet to be written (by old rich author) may never be finished ;)
> 
> It's funny. I've tried reading the books, and find them tedious :( I
> much prefer Richard Morgan's "A Land Fit for Heroes" trilogy.
> 

I've read the first one a long time ago. I actually prefer the show over the 
book, in a rare reversal...

Morgan's stuff is great... the little twist that the gods are actually the 
envoys from the Kovacs books was nice ;)

My favorite Morgan book is still 13 (or Black Man as it originally came out in 
the UK)

>> But at least we have hbo..
> 
> And torrents ;)
> 

And kodi !

John

Re: Memory Hole

[xorcist]

>
> So what happened to Ian Murdock?
>

Just checked the wiki. It's a bit limited. Prior to his suicide, he split
up with his long-time partner Debra (Debian was named as a combination of
their names), had taken it hard as most long-term mid-life breakups tend
to do, and was apparently soon to be evicted from his mansion, and had
taken to the bottle.

I'm not aware of any projects that he was currently involved with that
would have led to any interest in him by.. state actors.

As far as I can tell, its just the sad case of a man who suffered the
greatest pain one can. To lose no longer be able to afford the pricetag of
what one has, and to lose what is priceless.

Memory Hole

[juan]

So what happened to Ian Murdock? 


According to wiki-cesspool 


"The last tweets from Murdock's Twitter account first announced that he
would commit suicide, then said he would not. He reported having been
assaulted by police, and having assaulted a police officer, then
declared an intent to devote his life to opposing police abuse. His
Twitter account was taken down shortly afterwards "


That's super believable and super transparent, just what one would
expect from the Free, Open, Democratic, Just and Benevolent Western
Civilizatin, right? 

Re: Yahoo is sued for gross negligence over huge hacking

[juan]

Yahoo sued? Somebody at google must have made the right
'donations'.

Re: DDoS Of Things -

[rooty]

 Original Message  On Sep 29, 2016, 11:06 AM, Razer wrote: On 
09/29/2016 05:54 AM, John Newman wrote: > >> On Sep 28, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Razer 
wrote: >> >> >> >> On 09/28/2016 10:31 AM, Sean Lynch takes the words right out 
of my mouth: >> >>> The Internet is starting to feel a lot more like feudalism, 
>> >> >> What I stated a while back about my reasons for never getting involved 
>> in the computer industry as a way to earn my bucks... I don't get along >> 
with fewdal punkz and hypercompetitive-hyperagressives reel well. So >> what 
did they do? They FUCKED the whole 'Fucking thing’. > > You can do IT work for 
anbody… you don’t have to code/sysadmin/whatever > strictly for a company in 
the computer industry. This has been my shift > in the past few years. > > John 
> > I've done web design for friends and occasionally someone I don't know, but 
I never made a living from it. Sort of like I smoke weed and will occasionally 
sell a bit to a friend for spare cash but I wouldn't do it for a living. 
Because weed, as the rastamon says, is a sacrament, and information should be 
free. Which means it wouldn't be ethical by my standards to earn a living at 
it. I've always preferred manual labor anyway. Digging ditches. Audio/Broadcast 
engineering, Precision machining. Truck driving... Repairing things... 
Sometimes even computers. Rr >> >> Rr >> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:50 
PM, Steve Kinney >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/27/2016 11:21 PM, grarpamp 
wrote:  On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Mirimir >> > wrote: > Yes, 
it's for sure a hard problem. Any entity resourceful enough to > withstand 
Tbps DDoS is likely a huge privacy risk :( > > On the other hand, Krebs 
has been totally asking for it, for years ;) > He's been going after major 
cybercriminals, who perhaps have major > connections with global TLAs. And 
he's often been a jerk about it. > Hugely self-righteous, and humorless. So 
meh ;)   He's already been swatted, manure mailed for lols, etc.  
Though being AP'd by the cybers is probably unlikely. >>> >>> Meanwhile the Big 
DDoS has apparently been mitigated by Akamai or >>> somebody. >>> >>> >>> It 
was mitigated by Google's Project Shield. The Internet is starting to >>> feel 
a lot more like feudalism, where you have to swear fealty to some >>> lord or 
get overrun by barbarian hordes. Or, I guess, the way all >>> governments want 
us to feel about the world. "Bad guys" like this are a >>> government's best 
friend. Or a megacorp's. >>> >>> >>> What bothers me is not this particular 
instance, but the proof of >>> concept it represents, in a world where 
everything from refrigerators to >>> night lights phones home. Things present a 
very diffuse and low-reward >>> attack surface individually, but as reflectors 
they provide a potential >>> solar-furnace-like effect in the hands of a 
sophisticated attacker. >>> >>> >>> But the fact that they blew their wad early 
on a low-value target like >>> Krebs means that the issue will get attention. 
Of course, if the cost to >>> any given end user or their ISP is small enough, 
perhaps it won't be enough. >>> >>> >>> "Physical access is game over" so it 
may turn out that whoever owns the >>> most Things wins after all. >>> >>> >>> 
Ownership of Things is not permanent, though. Maintaining a botnet is a >>> 
neverending
battle. >>> >

UFONet - easy sweetie

Re: Diary of a Person of Interest (Suzie Dawson @Suzi3d)

[Александр]

[UPDATE: September 2016: nearly two years after being written, this piece
has become a documentary of the same name: “*Diary of a Person of Interest*”
which is available for free on Vimeo.com  and
also on You Tube . Please
watch it and share it! Documentary release notes are here at this pastebin
link . Thank you!]

*https://www.endarken.co.nz/diary-of-a-person-of-interest/
*

*Diary of a Person of Interest*

As for-profit, private sector, sub-contracted “Asset Tracking” (an
Orwellian term that masks it’s true meaning – Spying On You) and related
“investigatory” companies are being brought to light in the mainstream, it
seems useful to share some insight into a day in the life of a subject of
such unsavoury attention.

For no longer is the subject of state surveillance the traditional
‘criminal’ stereotype – but in fact regular people. The Persons of Interest
are anyone with any access to any kind of information that is of even the
vaguest interest to anyone with access to the apparently monolithic state
spying apparatus.

Add in two degrees of separation
 to the “Asset Tracking” –
ie., everyone the Person knows and everyone that *they* know for good
measure, and you have everyone from suburban mothers to doctors to
fishermen to airhostesses to school Principals getting followed around and
having their communications pried into by total strangers.

While it is indeed an issue of immoral and intrusive surveillance, there is
more to it.  Once targeted by the state, there is an all encompassing
psychological warfare as you are systematically conditioned to having the
most intimate parts of your life laid open to all and sundry, for them to
manipulate and, in some cases, profit from.

No act can be undertaken naturally – from the most banal decisions made in
the bathroom to any attempt to have a relationship with another person. The
more you are psychologically poked and prodded, the more you are forced to
sidestep entrapment efforts, the more exacerbated your mental isolation,
living in a world where the only person you can truly rely upon is yourself.

Decisions you make have complex and far-reaching consequences, not just for
yourself but for the numerous people who knowingly or unknowingly will be
affected by any choice you do make, and you live with the constant guilt of
the ways in which you are affecting other people’s lives without ever
intending to.

Some have described being the victim of such comprehensive intrusion and
manipulation as ‘torture’ and suggested it is an issue for the U.N. to
investigate.

I don’t personally feel qualified to make such a claim because being inside
of it makes it impossible to have the level of detachment required to
reduce it to a single blanket statement.

However I do innately know that the following daily thought processes are
completely tragic and unnatural, and that humankind cannot continue like
this.

Without further adieu: The Diary of a Person of Interest

4.30am – 6.30am: this is the worst time of the day. The entire
neighbourhood is asleep but your neighbour’s dogs bark incessantly and you
get to listen to the sounds of garage doors scraping and cars that
shouldn’t be going anywhere at that time going nonetheless. It pays to be
asleep between these hours.

7.30am:  Awake on the couch where you slept fully clothed so that there
wouldn’t be more footage of you walking around your house naked.  The
morning, which is structured around beautiful, happy and mostly oblivious
children, is the easiest time to forget that you have not enjoyed any
domestic privacy for nearly three years. The shrieks to get up, eat
breakfast and hurry off out the door are normal morning sounds and familiar
to the point of comfortable.

8.30am:  It  is time to go and you grab your keys, already looking at the
cul de sac for the car that will leave ahead of you, and then the other car
which will return behind you again after you have dropped the children at
school.  These cars, and many more, have been trailing you for years now
and were a source of great mystery prior to seeing the documentary ‘Operation
8 ‘ on NZ on Screen and
finally clicking as to what was taking place.  Funnily enough, back at the
beginning, when you were put in the hotseat via Skype to answer 10 fast
questions from a total stranger, one of them was whether you knew any of
the Urewera 4 .
You didn’t.  You had never been an activist or an organiser or an
independent journalist nor had any idea the surveillance state existed let
alone that you’d one day be targeted by it.  Now, after three years of its
unwelcome, immoral attentions, you not only know some of them but are
represented by their lawyer. In a 

Diary of a Person of Interest (Suzie Dawson @Suzi3d)

[Александр]

*https://suzi3d.com/ https://www.endarken.co.nz/
*

What is it like to be a ‘Person of Interest‘ to major Western intelligence
agencies?
Why did they target me?
How did they target me?
What do they want?
How should targets respond to the intrusions into their lives?

My first ever full-length film, featuring yours truly, has been released
and answers these questions. It roughly covers the period from when I was
initally targeted in October 2011 to when I went into exile in January
2015.
See Diary of a Person of Interest:



*https://vimeo.com/181517859
Orhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KaxGN9WgRU
*

Re: DDoS Of Things -

[Razer]

On 09/29/2016 05:54 AM, John Newman wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Razer  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2016 10:31 AM, Sean Lynch takes the words right out of my mouth:
>>
>>> The Internet is starting to feel a lot more like feudalism,
>>
>>
>> What I stated a while back about my reasons for never getting involved
>> in the computer industry as a way to earn my bucks... I don't get along
>> with fewdal punkz and hypercompetitive-hyperagressives reel well. So
>> what did they do? They FUCKED the whole 'Fucking thing’.
> 
> You can do IT work for anbody… you don’t have to code/sysadmin/whatever
> strictly for a company in the computer industry.  This has been my shift
> in the past few years.
> 
> John
> 
> 

I've done web design for friends and occasionally someone I don't know,
but I never made a living from it.

Sort of like I smoke weed and will occasionally sell a bit to a friend
for spare cash but I wouldn't do it for a living. Because weed, as the
rastamon says, is a sacrament, and information should be free. Which
means it wouldn't be ethical by my standards to earn a living at it.
I've always preferred manual labor anyway. Digging ditches.
Audio/Broadcast engineering, Precision machining. Truck driving...
Repairing things... Sometimes even computers.

Rr

>>
>> Rr
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Steve Kinney >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 09/27/2016 11:21 PM, grarpamp wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Mirimir >>> wrote:
> Yes, it's for sure a hard problem. Any entity resourceful enough to
> withstand Tbps DDoS is likely a huge privacy risk :(
>
> On the other hand, Krebs has been totally asking for it, for years ;)
> He's been going after major cybercriminals, who perhaps have major
> connections with global TLAs. And he's often been a jerk about it.
> Hugely self-righteous, and humorless. So meh ;)

 He's already been swatted, manure mailed for lols, etc.
 Though being AP'd by the cybers is probably unlikely.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile the Big DDoS has apparently been mitigated by Akamai or
>>>somebody.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was mitigated by Google's Project Shield. The Internet is starting to
>>> feel a lot more like feudalism, where you have to swear fealty to some
>>> lord or get overrun by barbarian hordes. Or, I guess, the way all
>>> governments want us to feel about the world. "Bad guys" like this are a
>>> government's best friend. Or a megacorp's.
>>>
>>>
>>>What bothers me is not this particular instance, but the proof of
>>>concept it represents, in a world where everything from refrigerators to
>>>night lights phones home.  Things present a very diffuse and low-reward
>>>attack surface individually, but as reflectors they provide a potential
>>>solar-furnace-like effect in the hands of a sophisticated attacker.
>>>
>>>
>>> But the fact that they blew their wad early on a low-value target like
>>> Krebs means that the issue will get attention. Of course, if the cost to
>>> any given end user or their ISP is small enough, perhaps it won't be enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Physical access is game over" so it may turn out that whoever owns the
>>>most Things wins after all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ownership of Things is not permanent, though. Maintaining a botnet is a
>>> neverending battle.
>>>
> 

Re: DDoS Of Things -

[Razer]

On 09/28/2016 08:32 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/28/2016 09:14 PM, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 09/28/2016 10:31 AM, Sean Lynch takes the words right out of my
>> mouth:
> 
>>> The Internet is starting to feel a lot more like feudalism,
> 
> 
>> What I stated a while back about my reasons for never getting
>> involved in the computer industry as a way to earn my bucks... I
>> don't get along with fewdal punkz and
>> hypercompetitive-hyperagressives reel well. So what did they do?
>> They FUCKED the whole 'Fucking thing'.
> 
>> Rr
> 
> I have seen the "hyperaggressive" type a few times.  Sad commentary:
> I would MUCH rather work around them, than the straight up sleazy
> swindling thieves. 

They are thieves. You just don't notice because you're busy defending
yourself from their bullying etc.

 These two camps are the market and
> office-political hammers and anvils of the IT industries.
> 
> Worse yet, a general case across all industries:  Lots of working
> stiffs have the strange idea that somehow their "profit margin" on the
> job grows in proportion to the time spent looking busy while doing
> nothing.  They think they are "sticking it to the man."  I think they
> are morons, and I mean that literally; it's a slave mentality.
> 
> Homey don't play that.
> 
> 
> 

Over the years I've noted that the workplace no longer cares so much
about the quality of one's work as long as one 'gets along'. But the
people who are often the best at what they do have high-power
personalities to match. Most, in my time watching, ended up as
consultants. I think Tim May, the list's founder is a classic example of
what I'm describing, along with my Mechanical Engineer friend who got
cut in on a measurement technique patent for a few mill at HP.

They got their chance, and GTFO!

Rr

> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: DDoS Of Things -

[Sean Lynch]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Razer  wrote:

>
>
> On 09/28/2016 10:31 AM, Sean Lynch takes the words right out of my mouth:
>
> > The Internet is starting to feel a lot more like feudalism,
>
>
> What I stated a while back about my reasons for never getting involved
> in the computer industry as a way to earn my bucks... I don't get along
> with fewdal punkz and hypercompetitive-hyperagressives reel well. So
> what did they do? They FUCKED the whole 'Fucking thing'.
>

 Assuming you're trying to build a large, effective organization, how do
you do it without some level of internal competition? I've worked for some
relatively touchy-feely companies (*cough* Linden Lab) that prided
themselves on being "flat", but eventually I realized they were just
keeping all the politics quiet and subtle. Meanwhile, people worked on
"fun" stuff and added neat but unimportant features to Second Life while
neglecting its stability and maintainability, with the ultimate result that
instead of trying to improve it, New Improved Corporate Linden Lab has
decided (probably correctly) to do a complete rewrite in the form of
Sansar. CouchIO had similar problems trying to essentially be a distributed
open source project with money.

But maybe it's not necessary to build large organizations in the first
place? I'd love to believe this. Perhaps something like the contract market
in Earthweb is the way to go.

Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[Mirimir]

On 09/29/2016 06:38 AM, John Newman wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 3:14 AM, Mirimir  wrote:
>>
>> On 09/29/2016 12:29 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
 On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:36:26 -
>>>
mate, you can't seriously expect me to play along with your
striking lack of basic intellectual honesty =)
>>>
>>> I don't expect anyone, to do anything. Except die. That we all have in
>>> common, at least thus far.
>>
>> What is dead may never die ;)
>>
>> 
> 
> And what is yet to be written (by old rich author) may never be finished ;)

It's funny. I've tried reading the books, and find them tedious :( I
much prefer Richard Morgan's "A Land Fit for Heroes" trilogy.

> But at least we have hbo..

And torrents ;)

> John
> 

Re: DDoS Of Things -

[xorcist]

>
> You can do IT work for anbody… you don’t have to code/sysadmin/whatever
> strictly for a company in the computer industry.  This has been my shift
> in the past few years.

+1

Buddy of moved into a sweet gig. After years of 'serious' admin work, he
was burnt out, and took a gig at a local hospital.

6 months later, the director of IT for that hospital up and quit. Or up
and died. No one really knows. Went on vacation, and no one has heard from
him since.

Anyhow, he got moved right in as director.

Most people that are really good with computers go after the IT industry
work. If you're good, you'll find you're likely the best if you're working
for hospitals, real estate firms, law offices, that sort of thing.

Re: DDoS Of Things -

[John Newman]

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/28/2016 10:31 AM, Sean Lynch takes the words right out of my mouth:
> 
>> The Internet is starting to feel a lot more like feudalism,
> 
> 
> What I stated a while back about my reasons for never getting involved
> in the computer industry as a way to earn my bucks... I don't get along
> with fewdal punkz and hypercompetitive-hyperagressives reel well. So
> what did they do? They FUCKED the whole 'Fucking thing’.

You can do IT work for anbody… you don’t have to code/sysadmin/whatever
strictly for a company in the computer industry.  This has been my shift
in the past few years.

John


> 
> Rr
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Steve Kinney > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On 09/27/2016 11:21 PM, grarpamp wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Mirimir >> wrote:
 Yes, it's for sure a hard problem. Any entity resourceful enough to
 withstand Tbps DDoS is likely a huge privacy risk :(
 
 On the other hand, Krebs has been totally asking for it, for years ;)
 He's been going after major cybercriminals, who perhaps have major
 connections with global TLAs. And he's often been a jerk about it.
 Hugely self-righteous, and humorless. So meh ;)
>>> 
>>> He's already been swatted, manure mailed for lols, etc.
>>> Though being AP'd by the cybers is probably unlikely.
>> 
>>Meanwhile the Big DDoS has apparently been mitigated by Akamai or
>>somebody.
>> 
>> 
>> It was mitigated by Google's Project Shield. The Internet is starting to
>> feel a lot more like feudalism, where you have to swear fealty to some
>> lord or get overrun by barbarian hordes. Or, I guess, the way all
>> governments want us to feel about the world. "Bad guys" like this are a
>> government's best friend. Or a megacorp's.
>> 
>> 
>>What bothers me is not this particular instance, but the proof of
>>concept it represents, in a world where everything from refrigerators to
>>night lights phones home.  Things present a very diffuse and low-reward
>>attack surface individually, but as reflectors they provide a potential
>>solar-furnace-like effect in the hands of a sophisticated attacker.
>> 
>> 
>> But the fact that they blew their wad early on a low-value target like
>> Krebs means that the issue will get attention. Of course, if the cost to
>> any given end user or their ISP is small enough, perhaps it won't be enough.
>> 
>> 
>>"Physical access is game over" so it may turn out that whoever owns the
>>most Things wins after all.
>> 
>> 
>> Ownership of Things is not permanent, though. Maintaining a botnet is a
>> neverending battle.
>> 

Re: Yahoo is sued for gross negligence over huge hacking

[xorcist]

>
> Consider taking part in this. Paying for using windoze coming soon,
> I heard.
>

Meh. Nowhere near lucrative enough. I can beat that 'handily' with regular
sperm donations.

Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[John Newman]

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 3:14 AM, Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> On 09/29/2016 12:29 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:36:26 -
>> 
>>>mate, you can't seriously expect me to play along with your
>>>striking lack of basic intellectual honesty =)
>> 
>> I don't expect anyone, to do anything. Except die. That we all have in
>> common, at least thus far.
> 
> What is dead may never die ;)
> 
> 

And what is yet to be written (by old rich author) may never be finished ;)

But at least we have hbo..

John

Re: Yahoo is sued for gross negligence over huge hacking

[Georgi Guninski]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 07:55:14PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> Personally though, as much as I dislike Windows, Win10 has been a pleasant
> experience for me comparative to XP, 7, and especially 8. Granted, I don't
> have a great deal of use for Windows generally, and my usage is restricted
> to inside VMs. Dunno what it would be like on the iron.
> 
> Nevertheless, it is pretty cool to get a check from Microsoft.
>
Not exactly check (lusers are constantly checked), but m$ offers
some kind of online money to use their lovely browser on windoze 10:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/19/microsoft_promises_free_terrible_coffee_every_month_you_use_edge/
Microsoft is so keen to attract users to its Edge browser 
that it will pay people to use it.


Consider taking part in this. Paying for using windoze coming soon,
I heard.

Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[Mirimir]

On 09/29/2016 12:29 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:36:26 -
> 
>>  mate, you can't seriously expect me to play along with your
>>  striking lack of basic intellectual honesty =)
> 
> I don't expect anyone, to do anything. Except die. That we all have in
> common, at least thus far.

What is dead may never die ;)

USA rm -rf /backups: Reddit Clinton Stonetear Combetta Comey Immunity

[grarpamp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/54zn65/congress_confirms_reddit_admins_were_trying_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HillaryForPrison/comments/5507qa/congress_just_confirmed_reddit_admins_tried_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/55062e/despite_congress_bringing_paul_combettas_reddit/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQcfjR4vnTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqCGUNk736Y

Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[xorcist]

> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:36:26 -

>   mate, you can't seriously expect me to play along with your
>   striking lack of basic intellectual honesty =)

I don't expect anyone, to do anything. Except die. That we all have in
common, at least thus far.

As far as 'intellectual honesty' goes, well isn't that rich. A large part
of intellectual honesty is not allowing one's personal beliefs to get in
the way, and to remain unbiased.

It's obvious that you do not do this. You have a belief in rationality,
especially the idea that rationality forms some type of foundational core
of the humans, and that has gotten in the way of our discussion.

If you were really intellectually honest, you'd leave your rationality at
the door.

>   mate, as far as I'm concerned, you are just a cheap liar,
>   exactly like your idol derren brown. So I take whatever you
>   post as mild entertainment...once in a while.

You know, its amusing to me how much you belabor Brown, it really is..
because he is no idol of mine. I'm loathe to give away the game here, but
in fact, I hadn't been thinking about his work at all, until I went on
Youtube to try to find an entirely different video of a mugging I had
seen, and found his wallet video. So I posted it.

But its good you find entertainment. I'm glad. That is the first positive
thing you've managed to muster. So, I'm happy to have helped you.

>   What is that you know I don't believe?

I know you don't believe that 7+10=5.