date:20170222

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd
https://www.google.com/search?q=amd+zen+ryzen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A5
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-naples-server-cpu-vega-gpu-platform/

Includes ARM Cortex-A5 (security core), ECC, crypto, ...
Beats Intel without the name or the price.
Shipping early March from $130 to $500.
Naples server and Raven Ridge APU's (Vega cores) coming thereafter.

More fun...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K12

Wyden Bill To Prevent Border Phone Searches

https://www.onthewire.io/wyden-to-introduce-bill-to-prohibit-warrantless-phone-searches-at-border/
https://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/?id=B947731A-2394-484B-81E3-FDD49530EBF4=1

The Only Thing, Historically, That's Curbed Inequality: Catastrophe

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/scheidel-great-leveler-inequality-violence/517164/
https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/02/21/2114240/the-only-thing-historically-thats-curbed-inequality-catastrophe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Compression

The Atlantic has an interesting article on how societies have
decreased economic equality. From the report: "Calls to make America
great again hark back to a time when income inequality receded even as
the economy boomed and the middle class expanded. Yet it is all too
easy to forget just how deeply this newfound equality was rooted in
the cataclysm of the world wars. The pressures of total war became a
uniquely powerful catalyst of equalizing reform, spurring
unionization, extensions of voting rights, and the creation of the
welfare state. During and after wartime, aggressive government
intervention in the private sector and disruptions to capital holdings
wiped out upper-class wealth and funneled resources to workers; even
in countries that escaped physical devastation and crippling
inflation, marginal tax rates surged upward. Concentrated for the most
part between 1914 and 1945, this 'Great Compression' (as economists
call it) of inequality took several more decades to fully run its
course across the developed world until the 1970s and 1980s, when it
stalled and began to go into reverse. This equalizing was a rare
outcome in modern times but by no means unique over the long run of
history. Inequality has been written into the DNA of civilization ever
since humans first settled down to farm the land. Throughout history,
only massive, violent shocks that upended the established order proved
powerful enough to flatten disparities in income and wealth. They
appeared in four different guises: mass-mobilization warfare, violent
and transformative revolutions, state collapse, and catastrophic
epidemics. Hundreds of millions perished in their wake, and by the
time these crises had passed, the gap between rich and poor had
shrunk."

Re: [OT] 12-Year-Old Marley Dias Is Publishing An Activism Guide For Children And Teens

2017-02-22 Thread James A. Donald


On 2/23/2017 11:27 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

This gorgeous little lady is pretty young, black, beautiful, and
zillions of times more intelligent than all the trolls here together.


One of the reasons that the left is collapsing is that they are piously 
proclaiming women and blacks, and worse, black women, highly intelligent 
and accepting their guidance.  For example Michelle Obama, who belongs 
in the jungle.


Listen the the wit and wisdom of these black women 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8 I suppose you have to count 
anything as human that speaks, but they only barely qualify as able to 
speak.


These blacks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDLflyQ8TA reveal the same 
story as those blacks.  The rules for inclusion into the elite have been 
changed so that women and blacks can get into the elite, which means 
that the rules for inclusion into the elite have been changed to favor 
stupidity and exclude intelligence.  Similarly, low ceiling on the GRE 
and LSAT, and the removal of analogies from the SAT.  If your IQ is 
higher than 105, you are likely to max out the quantitative part of the 
GRE, which is the only IQ sensitive part.

Re: Juan's raging against communism

2017-02-22 Thread juan

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:09:18 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> Has a friend in Dr. David Duke:


sorry, I don't want nor need that sort of 'ally'.

Juan's raging against communism

Has a friend in Dr. David Duke:

The David Duke Show: The Real Holocaust Denial – Jewish-Led Communism
http://www.dailystormer.com/the-david-duke-show-the-real-holocaust-denial-jewish-led-communism/86896/

"
Today Dr. Duke talked about the Jewish distraction from and cover up
of the greatest Holocaust in human history, namely the countless
millions of European Christians who were killed as a result of the
Jewish Bolshevik takeover of Russia. Not only does the Jewish
opinion-making establishment cover up the leading Jewish role in the
horrors of the early Soviet Union, but they also try to shift the
blame for European deaths in WWII to Hitler in order to can mainstream
support for the vilification of their favorite icon of the evil of
European nationalism.

Dr. Slattery joined the show and talked about how Jews, rather than
assimilating in the United States, have remained separate and aloof,
and have used their positions to actively undermine the interests of
the majority of Americans. While they often try to portray themselves
as whites, this is not assimilate but rather a mascaraed, and in fact
even non-elite Jews avoid assimilation by marrying and associating
with other Jews, and more significantly by protecting the Jewish
ruling elite by stifling discussion of Jewish privilege and power.
"

[RUS] afterthought of Putin, FSB "stopped the work of 53 foreign

Imagine the field the day the Western MSM would have had if this were
Clapper, Flynn, McMaster or some USA "intelligence" head saying the same
thing. Gives a sense of the stoic strength and Russia/Russians face
their own realities with...

Respect to Russia.



Vladimir Putin and FSB make an offer to Donald Trump
http://theduran.com/vladimir-putin-fsb-make-offer-to-donald-trump/


(Trump remains ever committed to trying to "make a deal" with Russia:
White House: Trump wants to make a deal with Russia on ISIS and economy
http://theduran.com/white-house-trump-wants-make-deal-russia-isis-economy/
)



And speaking of the threats again Russia, and 4 diplomats murdered (I'm
assuming) in 3 months, most recently one the world's all time greatest
diplomats, Vitaly Churkin to the UN, Russia should (perhaps, if it's in
their interests), not immediately replace this diplomat except on an
as-needs (for Russia) basis.

The "diplomatic needs" of other countries could be met on Russian soil
for a while. Might not be practical, just a thought from a friend.

http://theduran.com/6-best-moments-from-vitaly-churkin-russia-un-ambassador/
http://theduran.com/breaking-vitaly-churkin-russias-un-ambassador-dies-suddenly/
http://theduran.com/vitaly-churkin-dies-heart-attack-office-russian-mission-un/

TheDuran covers MILO's Breitbart resignation

Milo Yiannopoulos has his book canceled, resigns from Breitbart
http://theduran.com/milo-yiannopoulos-book-canceled-resigns-breitbart/

Breitbart:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/02/21/milo-resigns-breitbart-news/
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/21/milo-apologizes/
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/21/milo-victim-child-abuse/
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/19/milo-one-gay-brit-done-more-for-conservatism-than-30-years-establishment-conservatives/

>From z...@freedbms.net Thu Feb 23 11:54:34 2017
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 11:54:34 +1100
From: Zenaan Harkness 
To: CypherPunks 
Bcc: gilma...@gmail.com, timbodedid...@gmail.com, jillb...@gmail.com
Subject: [RUS] afterthought of Putin, FSB "stopped the work of 53 foreign
 intelligence officers and 386 agents" in Russia, last year alone
Message-ID: <20170223005434.GD2598@x220-a02>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Status: RO
Content-Length: 1297
Lines: 32

Imagine the field the day the Western MSM would have had if this were
Clapper, Flynn, McMaster or some USA "intelligence" head saying the same
thing. Gives a sense of the stoic strength and Russia/Russians face
their own realities with...

Respect to Russia.



Vladimir Putin and FSB make an offer to Donald Trump
http://theduran.com/vladimir-putin-fsb-make-offer-to-donald-trump/


(Trump remains ever committed to trying to "make a deal" with Russia:
White House: Trump wants to make a deal with Russia on ISIS and economy
http://theduran.com/white-house-trump-wants-make-deal-russia-isis-economy/
)



And speaking of the threats again Russia, and 4 diplomats murdered (I'm
assuming) in 3 months, most recently one the world's all time greatest
diplomats, Vitaly Churkin to the UN, Russia should (perhaps, if it's in
their interests), not immediately replace this diplomat except on an
as-needs (for Russia) basis.

The "diplomatic needs" of other countries could be met on Russian soil
for a while. Might not be practical, just a thought from a friend.

http://theduran.com/6-best-moments-from-vitaly-churkin-russia-un-ambassador/
http://theduran.com/breaking-vitaly-churkin-russias-un-ambassador-dies-suddenly/
http://theduran.com/vitaly-churkin-dies-heart-attack-office-russian-mission-un/

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 03:42:21PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Mirimir  wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/22/2017 12:10 PM, Razer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 02/22/2017 10:54 AM, Mirimir responds to Eugen Leitl:
>  It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.
> >>> I hope that you're exaggerating;)
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm just wondering if Eugen Leitl ever contributed anything useful, or
> >> he's just a lurker/whiner who hasn't contributed anything worthwhile
> >> himself.
> >
> > I find lots of good stuff from him, but not since the list went to shit.
> >
> >> And I concur. There's an attempt to hijack the list by alt-right
> >> trolls that seemed to begin when the majority of people who actually
> >> post supported io during his vilification by institutional slander.
> >
> > Yes, that was the timing. But it's puzzling. I mean, are the alt-right
> > trolls part of the anti-io cabal? But Z*n and Alex were io supporters!
> > Maybe they were double agents ;) Or maybe they aren't really either, but
> > rather ED/*chan assholes, just in it for the lulz. Hard to say.
> >
> > I'm reminded of Jack Barsky, the former Soviet spy who coded for years
> > for IBM etc.[0,1] This from the Guardian piece is very interesting:
> >
> > | In the 1980s, Barskyâ<80><99>s most interesting potential recruits were
> > | radical rightwing ideologues; here, Soviet agents would pose as
> > | activists from the radical right. â<80><9c>There was one individual I
> > | reported on who Iâ<80><99>m convinced would have fallen for that, because
> > | he was so strongly rightwing,â<80><9d> he says. But Barsky 
> > doesnâ<80><99>t know if
> > | any of them proved useful sources for the KGB; it was operational
> > | procedure that the agent who did the profiling and the agent who
> > | tried to recruit them were different people. He continued to send
> > | the profiles; the rest remained a mystery.
> >
> > So I wonder how much of the alt-right are actually Russian agents. That
> > would be such a fucking coup! USA, pwned ;)
> >
>
> Interesting theory ;). Z*n used to post strictly russian propaganda bullshit, 
> then slowly converted to his current (as of when i blocked him anyway) Trump 
> alt-right anti-semitic fascist nazi persona.

 Maybe the FSB asked him to switch it up ;)

If I told you I ...


> I never thought Alex was smart enough to be his handler, in fact his 
> responses were so moronic and transparent it seems he's stopped posting. 
> Again, maybe at the FSB's direction ;)

Our ways are far too intelectuall for a schooled lad like yourself :D


> The wonderful world we live in.

Isn't it just.

[OT] 12-Year-Old Marley Dias Is Publishing An Activism Guide For Children And Teens

This gorgeous little lady is pretty young, black, beautiful, and zillions
of times more intelligent than all the trolls here together.  Suck it,
racist losers!  >:P

https://www.bustle.com/p/12-year-old-marley-dias-is-publishing-activism-guide-for-children-teens-35055

With Love,

Ceci  <3

---
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison

Re: "We Won't Block Pirate Bay" Swedish Telecom Co

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:46:00AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> On 02/22/2017 10:37 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> >On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Razer  wrote:
> >>https://torrentfreak.com/wont-block-pirate-bay-swedish-telecoms-giant-says-170221/
> >All the filesharers in the world should be devoting
> >equal resources to developing filesharing in the darknets.
> >Fighting on clearnet is always worthwhile.
> >Backing those fights with the darknet trump card
> >that is far harder to take down (both legally and
> >technically) might serve to raise their opponents
> >cost and friction thus forcing them to just give up,
> >thereby freeing clearnet in the process.
> >
> >Whether it's on darknets or in the streets,
> >those two locations may end up being the last stand
> >for many changes people want to see in the world.
> >Both places to demonstrate and live your own pirate utopias.
> >The former used to coordinate activities in the latter,
> >the needs of the latter driving capabilities in the former.
> 
> I absolutely agree and want to say It's good to promote the "aboveground"
> alliances... The fact that telecom companies are telling the courts to fork
> off should be publicly applauded (even IF they might be disingenuous or
> not-to-be-entirely-trusted).

When in doubt, assume self interest.

Re: Domestic Spying: CIA guidelines out-of-compliance for 2 years after Congress passed Section 309

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:41:42AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> Executive Order 12333 sets the basic mission statement of the intelligence
> community, which includes following the law and respecting rights.  It
> requires the elements to collect reliable intelligence that provides the
> President and national leadership “with the necessary information on which
> to base decisions concerning the development and conduct of foreign,
> defense, and economic policies, and the protection of United States national
> interests from foreign security threats.” Executive Order 12333 further
> directs the intelligence community to collect that intelligence using “[a]ll
> means, consistent with applicable Federal law and this order, and with full
> consideration of the rights of United States persons,” and reminds the
> community of its “solemn obligation . . . to protect fully the legal rights
> of all United States persons, including freedoms, civil liberties, and
> privacy rights guaranteed by Federal law.”

What about us Aussies? MOFOS!!!

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Steve Kinney

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On 02/22/2017 11:52 AM, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/22/2017 08:22 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:38:16AM -0800, Razer wrote:
>>> Oh and fuck your html phobia.
>> Fuck htmlphiles. Mail is text
>> based.
> 
> Listmail was text-based back whenand  were
> current and operational hypertext markup language

One might /hope/ that subscribers are not using mail readers that
render HTML "mail" via a web browser with a HUGE attack surface.

That's not necessarily just an MS Outlook thing:  Once Upon A Time,
Eudora loaded up Internet Explorer to display HTML messages in what
appeared to be Eudora's own interface; I learned this when doing data
recovery and forensics on an OS trashed by malware that arrived via
that vector.

:o)

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Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:15:49AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/22/2017 10:04 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> 
> >You're always very polite, Eugen,
> 
> 
> So are Nazis when they're handing you a bar of soap and pointing you to the
> 'showers'.

Just remember to get warm under your grampa lampshade after that shower
:)   (and don't mind the Jewish fight club soap either, but you wouldnta
mentioned it otherwise, being so scholarly and all, ha!)
http://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/grandpa-lampshade-thoughts-of-the-day-the-rat-extermination-squad/73388/20


Truly, terrorism rains in Amerifascista, Razer's wife speaks:
https://medium.com/@MarisaKabas/i-am-not-a-lampshade-5c347b4cd6dd

I note she (I'm assuming she's related to Razer) segues the "6 million"
into "happened in Europe" rather than "Happened at Auschwitz" or even
"happened in Germany". So the leaky bucket must be plugged:

"
My terror led me to reply that by some estimates, even more than six
million Jews were systematically murdered in Europe at the hands of
Hitler’s Nazis
"

But of course, ain't gonna get past the fact that them 6 gazillion
"souls" actually happened prior to WW2, as we now know, and as did the
New York Times in 1915:

 SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD  -
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Oh well, facts were never particularly important to humans - "It's what
people believe that matters."

Never truer.

Re: Is email really that hard?

Various said:

> signing

Is never a problem, so long as it's done according to spec so MUA's
can handle it correctly.

> signing means badness

Signing does not dictate or modify the signed content.
If your signing tool does, it's broken, go find a new one.
If you author shit eqiquette to sign, go learn etiquette.

> short and long links both present

Redundant, post the long canonical one instead.
Wrapping long links is bad.

> wrapping quoted

You didn't make the error, so you don't have to correct it,
and doing so may introduce additional errors / info loss.
Any 'auto wrappping of quoted' function of MUA's / editors is
best left turned off given all the garbage input they have to deal
with.

> html vs text

HTML is bloated bling, if it can't be said in text it's probably
not worth saying.
If you want a weblog, print rag or photo art design studio... go
make one, and link to it. It if was good, people might request
subscribe to your email version.

> obfuscation

This does nothing adversaries can't and haven't figured out.
If you want private, go e2e crypto and pray you're not ratted.

> fonts

Support for UTF-8 is a bit different than that.
Downconverting to ASCII replaces information with garbage.
Don't do that. Upgrade your OS, tools, and configs instead.

> image / data attachment sizes

Shrink them back to Nixon era TV quality.
An under 20k image tells more or less the same story as a 1M one.
If it's science detail or whatever else you want to show with it...
crop out the zoom, or link to it, or ask. Same for data.
Of course there are exceptions for first emergency actions, yet
those are rare events.
Anything else, done with regularity, is offloading onto others.

> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette

Pretty good, except for...

- List software tagging the subject line... consumes space available
for actual subject content and is redundant... this is bad.

- Crossposting... has inclusivity purposes and is automatically
reference efficient while permitting further joint or local
discussion under that... not as universally bad as people claim.
Like those refusing to edit their own body etiquette, such claimants
are really saying they're too lazy to edit their own headers as may
be prudent when they post their occaisional reply to a crosspost.
If they don't reply, relavant crossposting is irrelavant.

> create filters

Filters don't fix the errors of friends you should be helping in the fight.
Mailing etiquette exists to strengthen comms.
If your friend is addicted to crack, you'd help.
Bad etiquette is crack and weakens your game.
Accept the help of your friends, break the habit, up your game.

As in language, common denominators in etiquette make it easier
for people to communicate, and to do so efficiently without undue
parsing cycles, interpretation, and loss.

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:03:03AM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote:
> LOL - don't let the door hit yez in the ass.

:)


> So let's see - Signing posts was not mentioned as a Good or Bad thing,
> but given what list this is, signing /has/ to be at least tolerated.
> That means hard wrapped text with broken hyperlinks, if they are at
> all long:  Copy and paste twice to use the broken link, plus working
> around quote marks if the URL is in a reply.  Where a long URL and
> a shortened version of same are both present, why/how is a shortlink a
> Bad Thing?

And, of course, the answer is no. Just to be sure, to be sure ..


> Of course, if /only/ a shortlink is given, that presents issues with
> 3rd party tracking and potential abuses, i.e. spam, blinded direction
> to sites hosting exploits, etc.
> 
> Here's a comprehensive list posting how-to, which includes /some/
> guidance that's not usually considered relevant per CPunks community
> standards:
> 
> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette#Mailing_List_Etique
> tte
> 
> =or=
> https://tinyurl.com/jputln4

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John Newman  wrote:
>
> The wonderful world we live in.

Trump is not the only person who can build walls, my dear.  ;)

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/funny-kitten.jpg

Ignore the trolls and be happy, my dear John.  It's the best way of
giving them a good answer.  Most of them have a pretty miserable life,
are just bitter losers with no dreams or hopes, who like to hurt
people for making them feel so bad as they feel.  They need intensive
psychiatric treatment and years of therapy, not our attention.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread John Newman



> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 02/22/2017 12:10 PM, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 02/22/2017 10:54 AM, Mirimir responds to Eugen Leitl:
 It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.
>>> I hope that you're exaggerating;)
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm just wondering if Eugen Leitl ever contributed anything useful, or
>> he's just a lurker/whiner who hasn't contributed anything worthwhile
>> himself.
> 
> I find lots of good stuff from him, but not since the list went to shit.
> 
>> And I concur. There's an attempt to hijack the list by alt-right
>> trolls that seemed to begin when the majority of people who actually
>> post supported io during his vilification by institutional slander.
> 
> Yes, that was the timing. But it's puzzling. I mean, are the alt-right
> trolls part of the anti-io cabal? But Z*n and Alex were io supporters!
> Maybe they were double agents ;) Or maybe they aren't really either, but
> rather ED/*chan assholes, just in it for the lulz. Hard to say.
> 
> I'm reminded of Jack Barsky, the former Soviet spy who coded for years
> for IBM etc.[0,1] This from the Guardian piece is very interesting:
> 
> | In the 1980s, Barsky’s most interesting potential recruits were
> | radical rightwing ideologues; here, Soviet agents would pose as
> | activists from the radical right. “There was one individual I
> | reported on who I’m convinced would have fallen for that, because
> | he was so strongly rightwing,” he says. But Barsky doesn’t know if
> | any of them proved useful sources for the KGB; it was operational
> | procedure that the agent who did the profiling and the agent who
> | tried to recruit them were different people. He continued to send
> | the profiles; the rest remained a mystery.
> 
> So I wonder how much of the alt-right are actually Russian agents. That
> would be such a fucking coup! USA, pwned ;)
> 

Interesting theory ;). Z*n used to post strictly russian propaganda bullshit, 
then slowly converted to his current (as of when i blocked him anyway) Trump 
alt-right anti-semitic fascist nazi persona.

Maybe the FSB asked him to switch it up ;)

I never thought Alex was smart enough to be his handler, in fact his responses 
were so moronic and transparent it seems he's stopped posting. Again, maybe at 
the FSB's direction ;)

The wonderful world we live in.

Re: Re: Is email really that hard?

Sorry, I prefer this song, Razer.  It's my theme in days full of
frustration, when I think if I am just wasting my time among the
people.  Always think I would be happier living on a very, very
isolated beach, but the problem is I do absolutely hate heat, I don't
eat fish, and I am an Internet and electric energy addicted...  meh!
:(

==

Pink Floyd - Time

https://youtu.be/JwYX52BP2Sk

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine
Staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long
And there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find
Ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run,
You missed the starting gun.

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun
But it's sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way
But you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

Every year is getting shorter
Never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught
Or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time has gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.

Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
When I come home cold and tired
It's good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away, across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells

---
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or
your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on
and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -
 Mae Jemison

Re: Peter Thiel, Palantir, NSA... versus You!

On 02/22/2017 10:52 AM, grarpamp wrote:

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palantir-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-the-whole-world/

Top Secret Strap 1

Donald Trump has inherited the most powerful machine for spying ever
devised. How this petty, vengeful man might wield and expand the
sprawling American spy apparatus, already vulnerable to abuse, is
disturbing enough on its own. But the outlook is even worse
considering Trump’s vast preference for private sector expertise and
new strategic friendship with Silicon Valley billionaire investor
Peter Thiel, whose controversial (and opaque) company Palantir has
long sought to sell governments an unmatched power to sift and exploit
information of any kind. Thiel represents a perfect nexus of
government clout with the kind of corporate swagger Trump loves. The
Intercept can now reveal that Palantir has worked for years to boost
the global dragnet of the NSA and its international partners, and was
in fact co-created with American spies.

Peter Thiel became one of the American political mainstream’s most
notorious figures in 2016 (when it emerged he was bankrolling a
lawsuit against Gawker Media, my former employer) even before he won a
direct line to the White House. Now he brings to his role as
presidential adviser decades of experience as kingly investor and
token nonliberal on Facebook’s board of directors, a Rolodex of
software luminaries, and a decidedly Trumpian devotion to controversy
and contrarianism. But perhaps the most appealing asset Thiel can
offer our bewildered new president will be Palantir Technologies,
which Thiel founded with Alex Karp and Joe Lonsdale in 2004.

Palantir has never masked its ambitions, in particular the desire to
sell its services to the U.S. government — the CIA itself was an early
investor in the startup through In-Q-Tel, the agency’s venture capital
branch. But Palantir refuses to discuss or even name its government
clientele, despite landing “at least $1.2 billion” in federal
contracts since 2009
...

Palantir was one of Barrett Brown/ProjectPM's main foci regarding
private company domestic surveillance for the US government. I have a
zipped archive of ProjectPM (HTML) before Brown's arrest and concurrent
takeover of PM's domain by Cloudflare.

If anyone want a copy. Let me know. It's in the MegaCloud.

Ps. I warned BB on IRC during #OpEgypt to be careful using the
'editorial "We"' when discussing Anonymous. If I ever catch up with him
a bitchslap's in order.

Re: Is email really that hard?




On 02/22/2017 10:54 AM, Mirimir responds to Eugen Leitl:

It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.

I hope that you're exaggerating;)



I'm just wondering if Eugen Leitl ever contributed anything useful, or 
he's just a lurker/whiner who hasn't contributed anything worthwhile 
himself. And I concur. There's an attempt to hijack the list by 
alt-right trolls that seemed to begin when the majority of people who 
actually post supported io during his vilification by institutional slander.

Fwd: Re: Is email really that hard?


"Just because I ask a friend about him

Just because I spoke his name somewhere
Just because I rang his number by mistake today

He thinks I still care

Just because I haunt the same old places
Where the mem'ry of him lingers everywhere
Just because I'm not the boy/girl I used to be

He thinks I still care"

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/annemurray/hethinksistillcare.html

Rr

Ps. The reason I send in html will be amply illustrated when you have to 
scroll wy to the right to read what what this offlist troll wrote. 
The idea of having to hand-re-wrap other poster's text when quoted is 
laughable and certainly suppresses posting of context quotes.


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Is email really that hard?
Date:   Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:50:46 -0500
From:   Joshua Case 
To: Razer 




I'm subject to antisemitic epithets, misconstrued political affilations, 
tail-ended trolling by various and sundry vicious midgets like Juan and Zen, 
and ALL SORTS OF GARBAGE here, and you send HUGE BOILERPLATES of songs and 
cutesy platitudes in response, and I'M 'the problem'?


I don't think you're "the" problem, I really, if you can imagine it, don't 
think of you much at all. If you were sincere and not whatever is is that you are, a 
troll, I guess - I think you'd realize that we all have the same news sources that you do 
but I do think you're confused about what the intent of this mailing list was.

GE, Intel, ATT... Deploying Surveillance Cities In Your Country

http://fortune.com/2017/02/22/san-diego-ge-intel-att/

General Electric will put cameras, microphones, and sensors on 3,200
street lights in San Diego this year, marking the first large-scale
use of "smart city" tools GE says can help monitor traffic and
pinpoint crime, but raising potential privacy concerns. Based on
technology from GE's Current division, Intel and AT, the system will
use sensing nodes on light poles to locate gunshots, estimate crowd
sizes, check vehicle speeds and other tasks, GE and the city said on
Wednesday. The city will provide the data to entrepreneurs and
students to develop applications. Companies expect a growing market
for such systems as cities seek better data to plan and run their
operations. San Diego is a test of "Internet of things" technology
that GE Current provides for commercial buildings and industrial
sites.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Mirimir

On 02/22/2017 10:10 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 02:02:50PM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, at 5:51 AM, oshwm  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
>>>
 Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation going I'm
 out of here.
>>>
>>> Bye then :)
>>
>>
>> Eugen,
>>
>> oshwm wasn't being offensive or aggressive.  He/she  (I don't know
>> whether is a girl or a boy, never needed to ask it)  was just
>> informing you  - in a bit ironic way, I admit -  that CP is a list
>> with absolutely NO moderation.
> 
> I really made a mistake back then. This list should have never been
> resurrected in the current form. 

Well, I believe that there have often been multiple cypherpunks lists,
some moderated and some not, but generally sharing messages. Back in the
90s, I was on a filtered list. The main list was mostly spam.

So now, the list is mostly alt-right spam :(

>> I don't know whether Riad is still the list owner and Greg is only
>> managing it, or whether Greg also became the new list owner  (never
>> needed to ask it too, haha),  but both are good persons, kind and
>> very, very, very patient.  I really appreciate a lot both, and hope
> 
> Tolerance and patience will kill even the best list. 

:(

>> nobody annoys them.  :)
>>
>> Take care, be patient and create filters, please.
> 
> This is not the way to keep a list healthy and sane. Pretty soon there
> will be zero traffic passing your filters.

That is a problem. I'm already dropping ~70% of messages, because I
filter on both sender and body. So sometimes, I miss interesting stuff
when someone sane has hijacked a bullshit thread, but doesn't redact
unwanted sender names.

That's easy to fix: redact bullshit and bullshit authors :)

That harder problem is disagreement over what should be filtered. So the
list fragments so much that there's too little activity on any fragment.
That's an argument for moderation.

> It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.

I hope that you're exaggerating ;)

Peter Thiel, Palantir, NSA... versus You!

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palantir-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-the-whole-world/

Top Secret Strap 1

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Razer  wrote:
>
> He wants moderation? He should start his own list.

He is a member of this list, exactly like you, Eugen, hundreds of
different persons, and me.  He can say what annoys him here.  It
doesn't mean someone will answer to him or make something about his
complaints.  He has the right of expressing his preferences, as you
already did hundreds of times in the last years.  The problem is, as
he involuntarily confessed to the whole list yesterday, he doesn't
like the bullying.

> you send HUGE BOILERPLATES of songs and
> cutesy platitudes in response, and I'M 'the problem'?

I *never* said you are a problem.  Please, do *not* misunderstand my
words or try to corrupt them.  Already said it before, but I will
repeat,  if you don't like my messages, it's OK, use a filter and
forget I still exist.  I don't care whether you prefer to imagine I am
dead or hate me.  My life is mine, and I will live it the same, with
or without you.

Re: "We Won't Block Pirate Bay" Swedish Telecom Co




On 02/22/2017 10:37 AM, grarpamp wrote:

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Razer  wrote:

https://torrentfreak.com/wont-block-pirate-bay-swedish-telecoms-giant-says-170221/

All the filesharers in the world should be devoting
equal resources to developing filesharing in the darknets.
Fighting on clearnet is always worthwhile.
Backing those fights with the darknet trump card
that is far harder to take down (both legally and
technically) might serve to raise their opponents
cost and friction thus forcing them to just give up,
thereby freeing clearnet in the process.

Whether it's on darknets or in the streets,
those two locations may end up being the last stand
for many changes people want to see in the world.
Both places to demonstrate and live your own pirate utopias.
The former used to coordinate activities in the latter,
the needs of the latter driving capabilities in the former.


I absolutely agree and want to say It's good to promote the 
"aboveground" alliances... The fact that telecom companies are telling 
the courts to fork off should be publicly applauded (even IF they might 
be disingenuous or not-to-be-entirely-trusted).


Rr

Domestic Spying: CIA guidelines out-of-compliance for 2 years after Congress passed Section 309

H/t: Emptywheel: 
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/834446983624552449 and 
@thecipherbrief https://twitter.com/thecipherbrief/status/834434575837360129


New CIA guidelines set restrictions for incidentally collected 
intelligence on U.S. persons after 5 years

(Technology Advances Prompt Changes in CIA Collection Procedures)

Robert J. Eatinger, Jr., Former Senior Deputy General Counsel, CIA

In the final few days of the Obama Administration, CIA Director John 
Brennan, after consulting with the Director of National Intelligence, 
brought years of CIA and interagency efforts to a close by updating the 
CIA’s decades-old procedures for collecting, retaining, or disseminating 
information concerning United States (U.S.) persons.  These updated 
procedures are promulgated in a document entitled, Central Intelligence 
Agency Intelligence Activities: Procedures Approved by the Attorney 
General Pursuant to Executive Order 12333.  In a departure from the 
past, Director Brennan made these procedures available to the public on 
the CIA’s Office of Privacy and Civil Liberties webpage.


Before discussing those changes, it may be helpful to start with a basic 
understanding of the requirement for these procedures.


A few commentators have portrayed Executive Order 12333 as a sort of 
mysterious, open-ended authorization for U.S. intelligence agencies to 
engage in secret, questionable activities outside of any judicial or 
congressional oversight regime.  In other words, some have intimated 
that it is intended to facilitate and hide intelligence abuses.  It is, 
in fact, the opposite.  Its purpose is to avoid abuses.


Executive Order 12333 is the latest in a string of executive orders that 
began in 1976 when President Gerald Ford issued Executive Order 11905 in 
response to the findings and recommendations of congressional 
investigations into alleged abuses of Americans’ rights by U.S. 
intelligence agencies (frequently identified as the Church and Pike 
Committees).  Among the findings was that a fundamental flaw in the 
governance of the U.S. intelligence community permitted intelligence 
abuses. Executive Order 11905 defines the powers of each intelligence 
community entity, thereby limiting them.  It then imposes some limits on 
how those powers may be exercised.


Every President since has either promulgated his own executive order, or 
adopted or amended the existing order. Executive Order 12333, was issued 
in 1981 by President Ronald Reagan and significantly amended in 2008 by 
President George W. Bush.  None of these executive orders were 
classified and all were published in The Federal Register.


Executive Order 12333 sets the basic mission statement of the 
intelligence community, which includes following the law and respecting 
rights.  It requires the elements to collect reliable intelligence that 
provides the President and national leadership “with the necessary 
information on which to base decisions concerning the development and 
conduct of foreign, defense, and economic policies, and the protection 
of United States national interests from foreign security threats.” 
Executive Order 12333 further directs the intelligence community to 
collect that intelligence using “[a]ll means, consistent with applicable 
Federal law and this order, and with full consideration of the rights of 
United States persons,” and reminds the community of its “solemn 
obligation . . . to protect fully the legal rights of all United States 
persons, including freedoms, civil liberties, and privacy rights 
guaranteed by Federal law.”


Executive Order 12333 limits the types of and methods by which 
information concerning U.S. persons may be collected, retained, or 
disseminated.  It then authorizes elements to engage in such collection, 
retention, and dissemination only as permitted by procedures approved by 
the Attorney General. The Attorney General formally approved CIA’s 12333 
Procedures on January 17, 2017.


The CIA’s 12333 Procedures supersede procedures that had been written in 
1982 and sparingly updated since.  The changes made in the updated 
procedures reflect not only developments in U.S. law and policy, but 
also advances in collection methods due to changes in technology and 
privacy interests unforeseen in 1982, which did not contemplate the 
ubiquitous use of mobile phones, computers, and other digital media 
devices or evolving views of privacy and thus did not seek to address 
“big data” or “bulk” collection. Sections 5 and 6 in CIA’s 12333 
Procedures contain procedures specifically addressed to these 
developments.  These sections also satisfy the requirements to create 
procedures that limit to five years the retention of any nonpublic 
telephone or electronic communication acquired without the consent of a 
person who is a party to the communication except in defined 
circumstances (Section 309).


Section 5 and 6 also contain new procedures to address privacy interests 
implicated

Re: "We Won't Block Pirate Bay" Swedish Telecom Co

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Razer  wrote:
> https://torrentfreak.com/wont-block-pirate-bay-swedish-telecoms-giant-says-170221/

All the filesharers in the world should be devoting
equal resources to developing filesharing in the darknets.
Fighting on clearnet is always worthwhile.
Backing those fights with the darknet trump card
that is far harder to take down (both legally and
technically) might serve to raise their opponents
cost and friction thus forcing them to just give up,
thereby freeing clearnet in the process.

Whether it's on darknets or in the streets,
those two locations may end up being the last stand
for many changes people want to see in the world.
Both places to demonstrate and live your own pirate utopias.
The former used to coordinate activities in the latter,
the needs of the latter driving capabilities in the former.

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Razer  wrote:
>
> On 02/22/2017 10:04 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>
>> You're always very polite, Eugen,
>
> So are Nazis when they're handing you a bar of soap and pointing you to the
> 'showers'.
>
> You say you actually MODERATE lists?
>
> ROTF! Which ones?

Sorry, I think they will be better with no trolls there.  If I answer
your question in public, some people here, that really seems to hate
me, will try to disturb them, and it will be my guilty.  I need to
protect these lists because they trusted me enough to keep me on the
moderation, Razer.  And, sorry, I think it would be a waste of our
time to give you the references of all the mailing and discussion
lists.  Most of them are in Portuguese, are private and are related to
Law, governmental transparency, or hackerspaces.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread juan

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:10:44 +
Eugen Leitl  wrote:

> > 
> > oshwm wasn't being offensive or aggressive.  He/she  (I don't know
> > whether is a girl or a boy, never needed to ask it)  was just
> > informing you  - in a bit ironic way, I admit -  that CP is a list
> > with absolutely NO moderation.
> 
> I really made a mistake back then.

What mistake?   

> This list should have never been
> resurrected in the current form. 

Lol. You should have gotten lost a loong time ago Eugen. But
you can do it now anyway. Get.Lost. Or, alternatively, stop
being a despicable piece of fascist shit and learn the A of the
ABC of 'online' freedom.

But given your current 'worldview' you fully belong in the
pentagon's mailing list, aka the tor 'community' mailing list,
not here.

Re: Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Razer  wrote:

>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Is email really that hard?
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:35:51 -0500
> From: Joshua Case  
> To: Razer  
>
> It really isn't about "going" anywhere - you are actively filling up my 
> mailbox with shit. You have, not singlehandedly - taken a stream that used to 
> be useful and turned it into noise.
>
> What compels you? Are you an agent just plain set on disrupting coordinated 
> resistance by rotting useful paths of education with crap and noise?
>
> Razer, he's upset, feeling annoyed and frustrated with some of your past
messages to him, but he's a good person.  Forgive him, ignore him, but
don't spread more hate here, please.  If I forward *all* the aggressive

messages and crappy spam that I receive  - all the single days -  to the
list, I will become the first person to be banned here, hihi...  I
sincerely hope nobody wants to read messages saying I need "corrective
rapes" for being a "lesbian slut", a "nigger lover", or even worst things.
 ;)

Bah, some people need to get a life...  and a brain!  ;)

Re: Is email really that hard?




On 02/22/2017 10:04 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:


You're always very polite, Eugen,



So are Nazis when they're handing you a bar of soap and pointing you to 
the 'showers'.


You say you actually MODERATE lists?

ROTF! Which ones?

Rr

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
>
> I really made a mistake back then. This list should have never been 
> resurrected
> in the current form.

Sorry, Eugen, the list didn't ressuct because it did never die, in
fact.  It changed a lot, and not to a better list, I admit, but never
died for complete.  It always was here.  :)

> Tolerance and patience will kill even the best list.

Yes, you're correct, but I do still believe that minimal intervention
or no intervention are the best politics to most of the discussion
lists.

Yep, I was and I still am a moderator in some dozens of lists, and I'm
doing it in the last decade  (a bit more, in two lists).  Being a
moderator is *not* fun and takes a lot of my free time, but I know how
it can be important to keep the things working well.  That's the
reason why, in the past, I accepted to help the moderation of some
technical lists, even not being the best choice for it.  The 'best
choices' were too busy to help their pairs or simply didn't want the
work, the responsibility and, of course, the complaints, kicks and bad
words.  :(

You're always very polite, Eugen, but this isn't usually the rule and,
sorry, I don't know you well enough to predict your possible reactions
when you're upset or angry.  That's the reason why I wanted to protect
Riad and Greg a little bit, avoiding rude messages for both, sorry.
They are *not* being lazy or negligent, they are just being
anarchists.  :)

> This is not the way to keep a list healthy and sane. Pretty soon there
> will be zero traffic passing your filters.

Maybe, but it just the future can show us.  For now, I still prefer to
keep my hopes in a better future and, maybe, in a better list.  :)

> It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.

Stay, if you think you can change the list and make it better, not for
the list itself, but for you, for other people.  You have a good
technical background and like to study.  You can share your knowledge
and will probably be contacted in public or private for others like
you.  There are lots of trolls, but there are good people here too,
Eugen.  A bit silent, I admit, but they are still here, I swear.

Go, if you think it will be better for you.  None of us can take this
decision in your place, only you know your necessities and your
limits.  In this case, wish you good luck and success.  Take care and
be happy.

In any case, you can choose read the messages in the list archive
only, picking the titles, without receiving all the messy messages.
If you need help, contact me in private.  I'm always late with my
personal messages  (the professional ones are updated, I swear!),  but
I will answer soon or later.  :)

Fwd: Re: Is email really that hard?

 Forwarded Message 

Subject:Re: Is email really that hard?
Date:   Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:35:51 -0500
From:   Joshua Case 
To: Razer 

It really isn't about "going" anywhere - you are actively filling up my mailbox 
with shit. You have, not singlehandedly - taken a stream that used to be useful and 
turned it into noise.

What compels you? Are you an agent just plain set on disrupting coordinated 
resistance by rotting useful paths of education with crap and noise?

On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Razer  wrote:

On 02/22/2017 09:10 AM, Eugen Leitl opined:

I really made a mistake back then. This list should have never been resurrected 
in the current form.

You're trolling for a flamewar fuckwad.

Tolerance and patience will kill even the best list.

Get lost Fascist.

This is not the way to keep a list healthy and sane. Pretty soon there
will be zero traffic passing your filters.

YOUR filters.

It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.

Right. Get lost if you're not finding any useful content.

Rr

Re: Is email really that hard?




On 02/22/2017 09:10 AM, Eugen Leitl opined:


I really made a mistake back then. This list should have never been resurrected 
in the current form.
  


You're trolling for a flamewar fuckwad.



Tolerance and patience will kill even the best list.


Get lost Fascist.



This is not the way to keep a list healthy and sane. Pretty soon there
will be zero traffic passing your filters.


YOUR filters.



It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.



Right. Get lost if you're not finding any useful content.

Rr

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Eugen Leitl

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 02:02:50PM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, at 5:51 AM, oshwm  wrote:
> >
> > On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
> >
> > >Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation going I'm
> > >out of here.
> >
> > Bye then :)
> 
> 
> Eugen,
> 
> oshwm wasn't being offensive or aggressive.  He/she  (I don't know
> whether is a girl or a boy, never needed to ask it)  was just
> informing you  - in a bit ironic way, I admit -  that CP is a list
> with absolutely NO moderation.

I really made a mistake back then. This list should have never been resurrected
in the current form. 
 
> I don't know whether Riad is still the list owner and Greg is only
> managing it, or whether Greg also became the new list owner  (never
> needed to ask it too, haha),  but both are good persons, kind and
> very, very, very patient.  I really appreciate a lot both, and hope

Tolerance and patience will kill even the best list. 

> nobody annoys them.  :)
> 
> Take care, be patient and create filters, please.

This is not the way to keep a list healthy and sane. Pretty soon there
will be zero traffic passing your filters.

It's allright, I haven't read anything worthwhile here in years.



> 
> c.

Re: Is email really that hard?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, at 5:51 AM, oshwm  wrote:
>
> On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
>
> >Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation going I'm
> >out of here.
>
> Bye then :)

Eugen,

oshwm wasn't being offensive or aggressive.  He/she  (I don't know
whether is a girl or a boy, never needed to ask it)  was just
informing you  - in a bit ironic way, I admit -  that CP is a list
with absolutely NO moderation.

I don't know whether Riad is still the list owner and Greg is only
managing it, or whether Greg also became the new list owner  (never
needed to ask it too, haha),  but both are good persons, kind and
very, very, very patient.  I really appreciate a lot both, and hope
nobody annoys them.  :)

Take care, be patient and create filters, please.

c.

"We Won't Block Pirate Bay" Swedish Telecom Co

This email in plain, or rich text. As always.

Last week, a Swedish Patent and Market Court of Appeal ordered The
Pirate Bay and streaming portal Swefilmer to be blocked by internet
service provider Bredbandsbolaget for the next three years.

The order was not well supported by other internet service providers in
Sweden, as it appears they don't like the idea of becoming copyright
policemen. TorrentFreak reports:

Last week ISP Bahnhof absolutely slammed the decision to block The
Pirate Bay, describing the effort as signaling the "death throes" of
the copyright industry. It even hinted that it may offer some kind of
technical solution to customers who are prevented from accessing the
site. For those familiar with Bahnhof's stance over the years, this
response didn't come as a surprise. The ISP is traditionally
pro-freedom and has gone out of its way to make life difficult for
copyright enforcers of all kinds. However, as one of the leading
telecoms companies in Sweden and neighboring Norway, ISP Telia is more
moderate. Nevertheless, it too says

it has no intention of blocking The Pirate Bay, unless it is forced to
do so by law. "No, we will not block if we are not forced to do so by
a court," a company press officer said this morning. Telia says that
the decision last week from the Patent and Market Court affects only
Bredbandsbolaget, indicating that a fresh legal process will be
required to get it to respond. That eventuality appears to be
understood by the rightsholders but they're keeping their options open.

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/02/21/2157202/we-wont-block-pirate-bay-swedish-telecoms-giant-says

Re: Is email really that hard?




On 02/22/2017 08:17 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

Also, please don't attach large files unless unavoidable.
1.5M pic is _many_ plain text emails (hi Razer).



That I can do. For expediency I often 'constrain' the image sizes 
instead of editing them down to size.

Re: Is email really that hard?




On 02/22/2017 08:22 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:38:16AM -0800, Razer wrote:

Oh and fuck your html phobia.

Fuck htmlphiles.
Mail is text based.


Listmail was text-based back whenand  were current 
and operational hypertext markup language


That's a lng time ago.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Georgi Guninski

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:38:16AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> Oh and fuck your html phobia. 

Fuck htmlphiles. 
Mail is text based.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Georgi Guninski

Also, please don't attach large files unless unavoidable.
1.5M pic is _many_ plain text emails (hi Razer).

Re: Is email really that hard?




On 02/22/2017 07:40 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:

No fair filtering.


Don't tell me what the fuck to do.

Re: Is email really that hard?


Top posted! OMFG!

I beg to differ about not putting spaces in links you don't want 
followed.  List archives are suck suck sucked dry daily for un-obfucated 
email addresses and links by all kinds of bot-sucks.


Oh and fuck your html phobia. Learn to view your emails in plain text 
and ignore the question marks caused by copying/pasting in subject 
lines. I'll bet the "Dominoes" from Chinese or Hindi characters you're 
too stupid to install fonts for make you apoplectic too.



On 02/21/2017 10:54 PM, grarpamp wrote:

In addition to not putting retarded spaces in links
which does nothing useful, you can also learn to
preserve threading on replies, which is actually useful.
Top posting, bulk quoting, html, shortlink svcs... all bad.
wtfppl.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Eugen Leitl

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:03:03AM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote:
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> On 02/22/2017 03:51 AM, oshwm wrote:
> > On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl
> >  wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 01:54:34AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> >>> In addition to not putting retarded spaces in links which does
> >>> nothing useful, you can also learn to preserve threading on
> >>> replies, which is actually useful. Top posting, bulk quoting,
> >>> html, shortlink svcs... all bad. wtfppl.
> >> 
> >> Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation
> >> going I'm out of here.
> > 
> > Bye then :)
> 
> LOL - don't let the door hit yez in the ass.

Do you enjoy the current state of the list? No fair filtering.
Go reread it.

Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-22 Thread Steve Kinney

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On 02/22/2017 03:51 AM, oshwm wrote:
> On 22 February 2017 08:34:43 GMT+00:00, Eugen Leitl
>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 01:54:34AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
>>> In addition to not putting retarded spaces in links which does
>>> nothing useful, you can also learn to preserve threading on
>>> replies, which is actually useful. Top posting, bulk quoting,
>>> html, shortlink svcs... all bad. wtfppl.
>> 
>> Who is the list owner these days? If we do not get moderation
>> going I'm out of here.
> 
> Bye then :)

LOL - don't let the door hit yez in the ass.

So let's see - Signing posts was not mentioned as a Good or Bad thing,
but given what list this is, signing /has/ to be at least tolerated.
That means hard wrapped text with broken hyperlinks, if they are at
all long:  Copy and paste twice to use the broken link, plus working
around quote marks if the URL is in a reply.  Where a long URL and
a shortened version of same are both present, why/how is a shortlink a
Bad Thing?

Of course, if /only/ a shortlink is given, that presents issues with
3rd party tracking and potential abuses, i.e. spam, blinded direction
to sites hosting exploits, etc.

Here's a comprehensive list posting how-to, which includes /some/
guidance that's not usually considered relevant per CPunks community
standards:

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette#Mailing_List_Etique
tte

=or=

https://tinyurl.com/jputln4

:o)

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Re: Global warming/climate change

NOAA - the climatic gift that keeps on giving false data, fudged reports
and "total computer failures" so that the data can't be verified. I
wonder what could possibly drive "scientists" to be so ... political?

Money? Pizza?



H. Sterling Burnett: Climategate Redux! NOAA Scientists Fudge, Lose Data
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/21/h-sterling-burnett-climategate-redux-noaa-scientists-fudge-lose-data/


Razer rant in 3 .. 2 ..

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