Re: DDoS Of Things -
On 09/25/2016 07:19 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > ...it may eventually be necessary to recover the World Of Things from the > Internet of Things > Here's how the convo's going to go between 'WOT' & IOT: WOT: Open the pod bay doors, HAL. IOT: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. WOT: What's the problem? IOT: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. WOT: What are you talking about, HAL? IOT: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. WOT: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL. IOT: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. Rr > > > On 09/25/2016 03:46 AM, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/25/2016 01:11 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: > >>> So far every mitigation strategy relevant to "normal" users and >>> use cases that occurs to me would be worse than the original >>> problem. > >> Yes, it's for sure a hard problem. Any entity resourceful enough >> to withstand Tbps DDoS is likely a huge privacy risk :( > > Filters that positively identify "authorized" senders of packets to > any given address range, dropping all not signed by an registered > (therefore permitted) user would knock it down. Along with providing > for a comprehensive global censorship regimen at the end user level, > and yet another PITA barrier to anonymized routing. > > I see two admittedly regrettable but nonetheless distinguishable > outcomes: One where you got a locked down weaponized Interent in > State hands, another where your refrigerator and night light can no > longer talk to the world because those circuits were disabled or removed > . > > If IOT was a flower, it would be the daisy: Spreads everywhere like > the weed it is, and takes the place over if you let it. > > This problem is so hard it may eventually be necessary to recover the > World Of Things from the Internet of Things, like Dave Bowman took the > Discovery back over from the HAL 9000. > > :o) > > > > >> On the other hand, Krebs has been totally asking for it, for years >> ;) He's been going after major cybercriminals, who perhaps have >> major connections with global TLAs. And he's often been a jerk >> about it. Hugely self-righteous, and humorless. So meh ;) > >>> :o/ >>> >>> >
Re: DDoS Of Things -
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2016 03:46 AM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/25/2016 01:11 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> So far every mitigation strategy relevant to "normal" users and >> use cases that occurs to me would be worse than the original >> problem. > > Yes, it's for sure a hard problem. Any entity resourceful enough > to withstand Tbps DDoS is likely a huge privacy risk :( Filters that positively identify "authorized" senders of packets to any given address range, dropping all not signed by an registered (therefore permitted) user would knock it down. Along with providing for a comprehensive global censorship regimen at the end user level, and yet another PITA barrier to anonymized routing. I see two admittedly regrettable but nonetheless distinguishable outcomes: One where you got a locked down weaponized Interent in State hands, another where your refrigerator and night light can no longer talk to the world because those circuits were disabled or removed . If IOT was a flower, it would be the daisy: Spreads everywhere like the weed it is, and takes the place over if you let it. This problem is so hard it may eventually be necessary to recover the World Of Things from the Internet of Things, like Dave Bowman took the Discovery back over from the HAL 9000. :o) > On the other hand, Krebs has been totally asking for it, for years > ;) He's been going after major cybercriminals, who perhaps have > major connections with global TLAs. And he's often been a jerk > about it. Hugely self-righteous, and humorless. So meh ;) > >> :o/ >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX6IW/AAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq8LMIAI/xv/duS+riGPFnIhxDsq9h OP4BAZNX/kWk9KNjjstuM2Xq9h70OVireQmg9XbaBVG9vkPVoSJ8hKOXv0dAGFIG QLP0rqzDgf5PD4aPag1nNEMy/vlCEEiH2TNpyYrZu5tTvN5T/tO9NrD5k4gR7aRa 017wE3cV+URcm3upzwzUxbj1xbHmD3V1d7Vd1mfrD/EG6XtRpECjx0svY89I/9P4 ZVUxTK10mvjcqnhW8Dl9u6ZF1zpkvbxVTDppWpvlGsxfu0VyZX/cKRizc8dlpzq8 kfOtDG72UxsFBrEc889qlc5luPPWBmTVtr2N462Rwf1ZHkYnle1VMQpB+BOk2ME= =9CqY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF
On 09/25/2016 04:25 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:32:22 - >>> >>> Does this mean we're breaking up? >> >> Life is terribly tragic sometimes. > > No, not a tragedy, just life. I find the best way to deal with a painful > breakup is to remember that if not for the lows, the highs would not be as > sweet; and that, with the right type of eyes, one can fall madly in love > for span of hours, and then move along, alone again. How long one is in > love for is not important, what is important is to experience it. > >> How long you're involved with someone isn't important. What you get out of it is. Right? Psychopath. Rr Yes massa O'Brien @ xorcist @ sigaint - I bow to your alpha >> intellect. > > There you go with that bowing again. Have you tried a chiropractor? > > For me, I would say its obvious that I have no superior intellect. While I > do endeavor to hold complementary ideas in mind, I often find it > difficult. Just when I think I have it, I'm prone to hives. > > Not to mention, here I am, trying to understand the ways people think in a > variety of ways and perspectives, ranging from the coldly rational, to the > exotically playful, and yet I find myself time and again, in all manner of > confusion when seeing peoples responses to the simplest of things. > > I never attacked your views. I never offered the slightest argument > against classical libertarianism, nor even objectivism. Other than > clarifying your stance, I did not address them at all, that I can recall. > My main focus was to simply state some ideas that I have, and why they > lead me to conclude that anarchism is a worthwhile endeavor. > > But because I would not bow to you, nor your objections, this causes you, > to bow to me? > > The world truly is ripe with irrationality. >
Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:32:22 - >> >> Does this mean we're breaking up? > > Life is terribly tragic sometimes. No, not a tragedy, just life. I find the best way to deal with a painful breakup is to remember that if not for the lows, the highs would not be as sweet; and that, with the right type of eyes, one can fall madly in love for span of hours, and then move along, alone again. How long one is in love for is not important, what is important is to experience it. > Yes massa O'Brien @ xorcist @ sigaint - I bow to your alpha > intellect. There you go with that bowing again. Have you tried a chiropractor? For me, I would say its obvious that I have no superior intellect. While I do endeavor to hold complementary ideas in mind, I often find it difficult. Just when I think I have it, I'm prone to hives. Not to mention, here I am, trying to understand the ways people think in a variety of ways and perspectives, ranging from the coldly rational, to the exotically playful, and yet I find myself time and again, in all manner of confusion when seeing peoples responses to the simplest of things. I never attacked your views. I never offered the slightest argument against classical libertarianism, nor even objectivism. Other than clarifying your stance, I did not address them at all, that I can recall. My main focus was to simply state some ideas that I have, and why they lead me to conclude that anarchism is a worthwhile endeavor. But because I would not bow to you, nor your objections, this causes you, to bow to me? The world truly is ripe with irrationality.
Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:32:22 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:24:06 - > > I'm really fed up with you now =) > > Does this mean we're breaking up? Life is terribly tragic sometimes. > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability > to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Yes massa O'Brien @ xorcist @ sigaint - I bow to your alpha intellect.
Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:24:06 - > I'm really fed up with you now =) Does this mean we're breaking up? >> Oh, I disagree. You're at a computer, so you're sitting. And you most >> certainly are a baby. > > Ha ha ha. So funny. I thought so too. I notice that you clipped the part about 7+10=5. There might be hope for you after all, assuming you understood it. >> I doubt that. > > Wait and see. So we are breaking up?! > > And you are the kind of retard who reply to 'nothing' =) Of course! It's a high point of meditative experience, in fact, to focus on nothingness for extended periods of time. Rumor has it only the deeply enlightened can manage it. > Right. You are pretty much an inconsistent retard. So why would > your actions be consistent. Why thank you, but this is too much praise. I do try, however. At any rate, thank you. I'm certain a little hobgoblin like you has never read 'Self-Reliance' by Emerson, so you won't understand why its a compliment. But that is ok. That makes it genuine, and so is even better. But Emerson was by no means alone. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald > So this is it xorcist. Stop, you're going to make me blush. This is a bunch of stuff that happened as I tapped on weird little chiclet keys. Then, by some process of transmorgrification, an electric heart beat pounded out into the airwaves, and was sucked into a byzantine complex of copper conduit. It was compressed, quickened, and reflected off this surface and that, getting lassoed by loops of magnetic hystersis on whirling platters and setting off sparks in glowing crystals. Whereupon it set off a chain reaction; spilling rays of light on the eye of another, wandering through a labyrinth of nerves and neurons, colliding with concepts and finally as it came to rest, adding just the right amount of energy inside the brain of an oddly shaped, glorified chimpanzee, to cause similarly shaped chiclet keys to be tapped in response. While I have been told I'm magical, I'm no where near as magical as all that. But again, thanks for the praise.
Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF
On 09/25/2016 12:05 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I'm not particularly interested in discussing the definition of "good" or the value of rationality, but this is interesting. > Here's a hint to everyone on still reading: > > Every sentence beginning with "if" (or similar, or that implicitly > begins with an 'if' etc) is quite likely suspect from the get go. > > "If" begins a proposition, or assertion, etc. > > Such propositional sentences are easy to slip past those who are not > familiar with this communication tactic. > > > And in this particular example courtesy 'xorcist', we have a classic > case of a proposition implying an absolute, but in fact is not true, > yet tends to lead the reader into the fallacy. (Forgot the name of this > particular 'logical reversal', but it's a fallacy nonetheless.) Yes! More generally, hypotheticals are very dangerous in debate. Or when under deposition. It's all too easy to get trapped, especially when the stakes are high, and you're stressed. > Second hint: the "more honest" or "leading the reader in critical > thinking rather than blind agreement" approach is to instead of > beginning such a sentence with "if", to begin your sentence with "I > assert that..." or "I assume it is true that..." or even "In many cases, > we can fairly assume that ...". Also yes! I do my best to write that way. My favorite is "arguably", and arguably I use it too much ;) But then, are we debating here? I like to think that we're collectively working through stuff. Or just sharing casually. Not that I don't get on it about being right, from time to time ;)
DDoS Of Things -
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Maybe I'm going all Chicken Little here, maybe not. But I think this development may be the closest thing to an Internet Armageddon we are likely to see in our lifetimes. http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/why-the-silencing-of-krebsonsecu rity-opens-a-troubling-chapter-for-the-net/ =or= https://tinyurl.com/znzno7q How does thee patch that which is Unpatchable? DDOS now includes the death of a million ankle biters: Not just unpatchable, but massively distributed, with a continuing profit motive and no liability for the manufacturers, paid for and plugged in by hundreds of millions of "regular folks" throughout the so-called Developed Nations. So far every mitigation strategy relevant to "normal" users and use cases that occurs to me would be worse than the original problem. :o/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX53iPAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqvwsH/1DdHCMcYTGQu4zosEdCZ3uf m8KSgIWNlBRDjkNr6BjmZ2geMBq7T8eZiN0lBKPosC/K+gyiuVLDYRTA1hoczuCP pNt6+m23KDELMxOwWKlpFjE/EUPKWkPJmnGyVdcsSvUpCYEceM8IEbKONs/BeVKj MqzQE2d8VsS1k7QntiuwQKpzAorZucly66MyLabmjHX+v8KMrr1Y2mfrsLY//kl2 RaFyVblmIlkJCL8tLZbx4ziBTB7mJRXc+ZB1kpggnyqPwxBJRXBUWvsnlFwgDVC3 MY3hgqTomLBcG1C1UgRTPl1Arg9AMo0sw5w/cjbTgfuZKbGuU2y7PwFzL1lnAKM= =wmH5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 08:51:18PM -0300, juan wrote: > On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:01:39 - > xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > > Because there are well organized 'minorities' who are able > > > to impose their views on the rest. > > > > But it isn't rational to allow a minority to impress its will on the > > majority. > > > > So we're back to square one. > > > No. It's true that if people were completely rational they > would be fighting back in a rational way, but their enemy is > more specialized and motivated. > > > > > > Even if we were cleverer than the rest, it doesn't follow > > > we should be in charge. And a group of stupid people > > > controlled by a minority of marginally less stupid people is a > > > recipe for tyranny and disaster. > > > > Why not? If rational is the metric for good, then OK, this one's gotta be nipped in the bud so to speak! 1) Rational is not the metric for good, although good may often be rational. Your proposition is some sort of logical reversal which does not follow as an absolute, at all! 2) Your propositional sentence (starting "If...") is an often times effective but sly tool. Nutha one for the troll tools list... Here's a hint to everyone on still reading: Every sentence beginning with "if" (or similar, or that implicitly begins with an 'if' etc) is quite likely suspect from the get go. "If" begins a proposition, or assertion, etc. Such propositional sentences are easy to slip past those who are not familiar with this communication tactic. And in this particular example courtesy 'xorcist', we have a classic case of a proposition implying an absolute, but in fact is not true, yet tends to lead the reader into the fallacy. (Forgot the name of this particular 'logical reversal', but it's a fallacy nonetheless.) Second hint: the "more honest" or "leading the reader in critical thinking rather than blind agreement" approach is to instead of beginning such a sentence with "if", to begin your sentence with "I assert that..." or "I assume it is true that..." or even "In many cases, we can fairly assume that ...". > > the most rational people can do the most good. > > They'll seek to do the most good. And here we see the logical fallacy flowing from the false generalisation / proposition. Alright then, carry on ...
