date:20191104

> if anyone
> reading this has their own copies of the 1990s archives, I'd love to have
> them. I can't make any promises about when I'll be able to work on
> processing them, but rest assured I will take great care of those archive
> files

Similarly, whatever is received here sits pending header anon,
and merging. Merge msgs to a standard isn't much work
depending on liberties taken, it's mostly get around to it,
so the public sources sit pending that too, which seems
the status of a few such projects that are busied out.
Now If another nice unix mailbox and or some news spool,
made its way here, that could be further motivational to lint
and merge everything... If nothing turns up by year end I
could reach out to sources, maybe even 1-800-NSA-DISK ;)
Other old lists could be returned from such queries, but
are probably already in well known textfiles archives already.

Then there's the GoogleGroups tragedy.

Anyway, if Jim's stuff ever pops up I'll post it.

Re: List administrivia (Re: Whom, specifically, is our greatest ally? - (spoiler: Australia)) - [PEACE]

2019-11-04 Thread Shawn K. Quinn

On 11/3/19 22:54, jim bell wrote:
> Writable CD's presumably held 640 megabytes. 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc  

Actually, 650 or 700 for full size 12cm discs, with a couple of those
possibly taken up by file system overhead.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 
http://www.rantroulette.com
http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Re: Whom, specifically, is our greatest ally? - (spoiler: Australia) - [PEACE]

 On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 05:18:25 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness 
 wrote:
 
 
 >I confirm that I received no earlier version of the below email.

EXCELLENT!  I didn't receive a return from the server which contained the first 
version of that message,  (earlier than the one I deliberately made to be 
"forwarded", to 
I suspected that Razer was lying (and certainly misleading) when he very 
strongly implied that I had done something wrong,  

>Now Jim, a simple request is all that's needed for most folks who
would ordinarily, go out of their way to spend a little of their own
time, to verify something for you, at your request.
Yes, but I was expecting at least a few spontaneous responses, from people 
other than you, too.  Even if I could not necessarily 'trust' each such reply, 
if I'd gotten a number of replies, each claiming they HAD received my previous 
message, that would have given me confidence that I was somehow alone in 
failing to receive it back.
Altenatively, if a number of people had responded, claiming that they hadn't 
received it, likewise that would have alerted me to the likely facts.


>Anyway, I have posted a few examples of when I have experienced my
own emails, sent to this list, completely disappearing "into a black
hole", one very recently in fact.
Oh, I don't doubt that this happens occasionally, and in most cases quite 
innocently.  The issue wasn't really the lack of a response by the server:  The 
issue was Razer's lie.  Remember, Razer said:

Razer To:CypherPunksNov 3 at 12:06 PMJust because you haven't 
received your copy yet (or at all) doesn't mean we haven't.

Rr
Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice

Ps. Get psychiatric help
-
And Razer hasn't yet admitted that he hasn't received that earlier email.  At 
the time I sent the second copy, by means of forwarding, 74 minutes had 
elapsed.  Since I conclude Razer also didn't get the original of that email, 
his misleading response was obviously trollish.
            Jim Bell

>So this is a known problem.
I certainly understood that.  That is why I merely re-sent the original email.  
It was Razer who made an ass out of himself by suggesting that I had done 
something wrong by re-sending that message, even though I had waited 74 minutes 
for a return.   I'd say I did the right thing.
          Jim Bell





On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 07:53:27PM +, jim bell wrote:
>  I'm going to re-send this, because after over a hour it doesn't seem to have 
>appeared on the list.
>           Jim Bell
>    - Forwarded Message - From: jim bell To: 
>Steven Schear Cc: cypherpunks 
>; Razer Sent: Sunday, November 
>3, 2019, 10:30:21 AM PSTSubject: Re: Whom, specifically, is our greatest ally? 
>- (spoiler: Australia) - [PEACE]
>  On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 01:52:45 AM PDT, Steven Schear 
> wrote:
>  
>  
>  >>"I think that in America, gun laws cannot Constitutionally be any stricter 
>that they were in 1789, when the Bill of Rights of voted, and 1791, when it 
>was ratified by states."
> >Of course they are more strict.
> 
> I will try to be clearer.  In virtually any environment, there is "the way 
> things are supposed to be" and there is "the way things actually are".  One 
> major source of this discrepancy, in the American gun-rights situation, is 
> that until 2010, in the Supreme Court decision McDonald v. Chicago   
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago   the Bill of 
> Rights had continued to be only selectively enforced on the States 
> themmselves.   There was a very long period of the practice called 
> "incorporation"  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights    So, for 
> essentially over 200 years, states didn't necessarily feel bound by the 
> wording of the Second Amendment.  
> I never thought that this "incorporation" concept made any sense.  It 
> effectively amount to "exclusion" of the principles of the BOR to the States, 
> despite the fact the requisite 3/4s of the then-existing states had ratified 
> the relevant Amendment.  What, exactly, did their "ratifications" actually 
> mean, if not to comply with the wording of the Amendments they had just 
> ratified.   If those Amendments could be interpreted to apply to those 
> States, of course.
> It's further illogically applied:  Notice that the 1st Amendment begins, 
> "Congress shall make no law...".  Apparently, the Federal Congress, that is.  
> Not the State legislatures, it seems.   So,if any Amendment is written so as 
> to seem to apply only to the Federal Government, it must be the First!   Yet, 
> there has long been essentially no dispute that the 1st Amendment ALSO 
> applies to the States themselves.   That is certainly a good idea, but I dare 
> you to try to find out the actual, Constitutional justification for deciding 
> that's the way things have to be done.  
> And when the Second Amendment declares that it "shall not be infringed", 
> there is no

"illegitimate law-enforcement needs"

I was just looking through a couple of the earliest messages on the 1996 CP 
archive file.  This was one email:
>From cypherpunks@MHonArc.venona  Wed Dec 17 23:17:14 2003
From: shamr...@netcom.com (Lucky Green)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:09:30 +0800
To: Brad Dolan 
Subject: Re: CSPAN Currency Creation Hearings
Message-ID: 
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain


At 19:04 1/1/96, Brad Dolan wrote:
>I caught part of it.
>
>The general theme was,~"we're going to establish a `partnership' with
>digicash / crypto firms to ensure that our `legitimate law-enforcement
>needs' are designed into the products."~

I sincerely doubt that there will be any 'partnerships' between DigiCash
and law enforcement.


-- Lucky Green 
   PGP encrypted mail preferred.
---  quote from email -
On seeing this, it immediately occurred to me, suppose we had asked those 
people, "Okay, Sir, what ILLEGITIMATE law-enforcement needs" would you want us 
to include as well?"Okay, I'm just in a funny mood tonight. Jim 
Bell

Call for ideas: How do we deal with the forged Cypherpunks email archive?

The response (or, perhaps in many cases, the lack of it) on this list to the 
discovery of the amazing fraud of the forgery of (at least) the 1995 version of 
the Cypherpunks archive has been, well, amazing.   I get the impression that 
there has been a certain...lack of enthusiasm for this task.  At least, not 
nearly enough useful commentary.
No, I don't necessarily expect that the forgers are still here, but maybe their 
ideological and political 'allies' remain.  Put simply, maybe 'statists' didn't 
and don't like AP, and they want to do anything possible to delay or defeat it. 
 And, they know or guess that some of their ilk were presumably acting in 1995, 
engaging in discussings that the government (?) eventually wanted to conceal.   
They did not want to leave a not-so-paper trail.  Their ideological brethren on 
CP, today, if any, want to continue to conceal and protect those 1995, and the 
data forgery that subsequently happened.
Take this with the levity I intend.  I ask that each of you provide suggestions 
as to what to try.  But I don't want to give you an easy out by saying that if 
you cannot think of anything you, personally, can accomplish, you are excused.  
If you have a good idea, and you throw it out to us, somebody else might like 
it, add to it, and maybe even accomplish it.  Think of this as brainstorming,  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming    .
At the same time, some of you might be reticent:  Eventually, I believe we will 
identify those responsible for misconduct on the list in 1995, but also those 
people who forged and faked the archives.   I want to expose the people who, 
now, are in league with them.  Think of this as a Rorschach test.  You will 
likely be judged, by others, based on the credibility of the proposals you 
make. 
I have already identified the problem, and made a number of suggestions.  I'd 
say it's YOUR turn.
>From the article on brainstorming:

"Osborn's method:
Osborn claimed that two principles contribute to "ideative efficacy," these 
being:
   
   - Defer judgment,
   - Reach for quantity.   [6]

Following these two principles were his four general rules of brainstorming, 
established with intention to :
   
   - reduce social inhibitions among group members.
   - stimulate idea generation.
   - increase overall creativity of the group.
   
   - Go for quantity: This rule is a mean of enhancing divergent production, 
aiming at facilitation of problem solution through the maxim quantity breeds 
quality. The assumption is that the greater the number of ideas generated the 
bigger the chance of producing a radical and effective solution.
   - Withhold criticism: In brainstorming, criticism of ideas generated should 
be put 'on hold'. Instead, participants should focus on extending or adding to 
ideas, reserving criticism for a later 'critical stage' of the process. By 
suspending judgment, participants will feel free to generate unusual ideas.
   - Welcome wild ideas: To get a good long list of suggestions, wild ideas are 
encouraged. They can be generated by looking from new perspectives and 
suspending assumptions. These new ways of thinking might give you better 
solutions.
   - Combine and improve ideas:As suggested by the slogan "1+1=3". It is 
believed to stimulate the building of ideas by a process of association.   [6]  
 
   
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Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 03:46:11PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On communication ...

For those who use the cp archives, the original thread continues
here:
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-September/062006.html

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

On communication ...


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 05:50:00AM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 - Juan wrote:
...
> > Fine, So what's the cause/source of statism? =)
> 
> Social mammals have a herd instinct, and more specifically humans
> naturally select leaders at a subconscious level in social situations.
> 
> Because we're in some sense pre-disposed to selecting leaders, we're
> exploitable to people who would seize power. To many, it seems just
> natural and comfortable that there should be someone, with authority, that
> they can look to in order to find out what they should do.
> 
> You can see this in early teen children, where kids start to select
> "popular" kids, and others try to emulate them. It's no coincidence that
> the "king" and "queen" of the prom will be the most popular pair of kids
> in school. In fact, the king and queen as selected years before the prom.
> It's no coincidence that the jocks in high school go on to become the cops
> as adults.
> 
> At a deep level, that is the mechanism. Primates, humans included, have an
> ingrained alpha/beta dynamic that makes us select leaders. That is the
> core psychological hook that the whole thing rides on. And it trickles all
> the way down, individual sub-groups will have their own leaders, and so
> on. A hierarchy .. a pecking order.. arises rather spontaneously.
> 
> For people deeply attached to the state, when you call into question the
> state, in an emotional way, you're sort of insulting their father, or
> maybe "big brother" would be more apropros, and you're calling into
> question the entire structure of what they know. They find it difficult to
> believe a world without the state is possible, because at some unconscious
> level, they've always felt the presence of that hierarchy. It lets them
> know their station in life, and that is comforting to people.. at least
> people in the middle, and certainly at the top.
> 
> So, what do we do about all this? Well, it should be immediately obvious
> that we're up against something much larger than a mere principality. It
> may seem daunting to consider, but it's really not that big of a deal.
> Humans have organized in fantastically diverse ways in history. We can
> recapture some of that, and finally dispense with the authoritarian
> nonsense.
> 
> First though, taking the emotional/social side into account, I'd like to
> highlight a few things that are important in order to grow a base of
> people large enough to do away with the state, and to survive without a
> state (that is, the types of social changes we'd need to have in place in
> order to not re-create a state after their downfall).
> 
> The emotional ties people have are important to consider, when trying to
> "win a convert" to an anti-authoritarian view, make your arguments against
> the state .. "gentle" .. couch it with "I wonder if people could organize
> without it.." when they object, AGREE, but continue with the "wondering."
> We should feel compassion for people so enamored with authoritarianism,
> and be gentle with them. Many anarchist writers of the past have looked at
> them as some sort of debased beast who is content to lick their chains,
> and this view is why we don't have more people. Be compassionate: the
> statist is one that is weary, and feels weak. They get brow-beat with
> orders from superiors regularly. Our job is to give them respite. Don't
> brow-beat them with arguments designed to make them feel inferior. Gently
> encourage new thoughts. Make them feel strong. Ask for their opinions, and
> don't be quick to dismiss. If you disagree, nudge them towards your view.
> 
> It is more effective, persuasion wise today, and one day, without a state,
> those would need to be social norms so that the "betas" get uplifted, and
> feel like they too can lead, in some areas.
> 
> Take note when people are being deferential towards you, and putting you
> in a subtle position of social power, and ABDICATE that power. Ask for
> their opinions, and defer to them. When someone comes to you, for advice,
> or a solution.. Be content to say you don't know, and encourage them to
> use their own understanding. Encourage them to see that you aren't their
> superior.
> 
> With those types of norms in place, the roots of power have less surface
> to take hold, and in the absence of a state (either self-made collapse, or
> insurrection) we're more likely to be able to fill the power vacuum with
> something better than the current notion of the state.
> 
> 
> > Well, to some extent that must have been true? Granted, the
> > fact that they agreed with whatever you said is suspicious. But
> > the solution seems a bit ad hoc. Maybe confusing them worked,
> > but you must have confused other people who were listening too?
> 
> At first, yeah.. but like all social circles "word gets around."
> 
> And yeah.. it was a bit ad hoc, but that is kind of the whole thing..
> people

Re: Militia, law, impressment, guns, history

> there was coup d'etat
> carried by the worst scumbags

Revolt, coup, civil war.

Many times there isn't enough scums to do it, as before
they lie to the commons to get them to fight believeing
freedom, profit, whatever, and fuck them over later...
just like with elections. No doubt many were feeling
pretty free, for a while.

> 'revolution' was supported both financially and military by

Whatever parties stand to benefit of course, old news.

> Didn't get it.

Right, "both parties are 100% dedicated to shitting on you."

Re: Sim Theory

Brings a smile, xorcist :)

"The great unknowable" experiencing itself, through itself, by
 imposing arbitrary restrictions upon spliters of itself."

Which conception gives rise to a fundamental existential question:

"To what extent am I puppeteered/ pre-ordained, and to what extent
 (if at all) am I able to exercise 'free will'?"



On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 03:02:34AM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> Too cerebral.
> 
> It's interesting to me that the simulation hypothesis has so much in
> common with Buddhist philosophy. In fact, Buddhism already answers this
> sort of thing.
> 
> Alan Watts, as a Zen Buddhist, presented the view that life is essentially
> a game played out at the cosmic level. All life is essentially the
> ultimate
> source of consciousness, God, the Atman.. whatever you want to call it.
> God desired to experience life as Alan Watts, and Richard Nixon, and dogs,
> and lions and gazelle in order to expand its experience, its awareness, of
> itself.
> 
> Put another way, intelligent life is the part of the universe that
> endeavors to understand itself. We're the Universe's subconscious. We are
> the dreams of the ultimate mind.
> 
> So, the equivalent Buddhist question would be - why would an incredibly
> advanced mind dream of us? Well, the answer to that is why do you dream
> the things you dream? It's a statement of desire, or of dread - because
> fundamentally life is a bit boring, and its much better if you're banging
> supermodels or running from zombies. So those things come up in dreams.
> Likewise, its incredibly boring being God. Imagine it. Never being
> surprised, needing nothing, all goals can be met without the slightest
> effort, and so on. It would be an incredible drag.
> 
> Casting this notion into the framework of a simulation, one might say that
> this advanced civilization is simply bored. Imagine Star-Trek type
> technology, where you just hit a button and get a perfect steak. The SAME
> steak, every time. There is no need to cook, because you'll never beat the
> machine, and yet in the end.. it all ends up tasting plastic.
> 
> Even with our meager technology, a great many people enjoy "roughing it"
> in the woods, camping and going low-tech. They enjoy getting away from TVs
> and phones and nonsense, and getting back to a more basic existence.
> 
> No need for existential crisis. Just a desire for life to be flavorful.
> 
> > So many people have proposed we're simulated...
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
> >
> > Now why would such an extremely advanced civilization / collective
> > want to simulate us? Is this an unanswered question?
> >
> > Certainly they have long since
> > - solved biology, live forever, down/up load their brains against trauma
> > - solved life and mobility throughout their universe
> > - lost and forgotten their prehistory
> > - etc
> >
> > They could sim anything they want. So why sim us?
> >
> > Because something happened to them, something very big, something
> > serious and existentially threatening. And now they're *desperately*
> > trying to learn about death, life, humanity, the individual... something
> > they lost but is still encoded in them just enough to let them think of
> > making the sim...
> >
>

Re: Quantum Computers

Been catching up on some bucket list "unread" emails, and Steve, this
below email of yours is a real knockout - so many thought seeds, I'm
reminded why I kept it it "unread" state since you posted it 3 years
ago.

Thank you.

It's evident you really put some intention here and there on
communicating as clearly as you can, and that, IMEHO is a valuable
exercise/ contribution to grind mill of experience.

I note you refer below to "E-Prime" variant of English.
Are you familiar with this at all?
If so, tl;dr ?




On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 08:42:01AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> 
> 
> On 09/07/2016 02:50 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 09:07:25PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> 
> >> A new Hilaritas Press print edition of RAW's Quantum Psychology
> >> just
> > 
> > Wikipedia has an article about "Quantum Mind", basically claiming
> > that the mind heavily depends on quantum stuff. Pretty sure medical
> > students don't study this.
> > 
> > Are the theories about quantum mind taken seriously?
> 
> Not by me.  To grossly oversimplify:
> 
> 1)  Quantum physics is spooky and inexplicable.
> 2)  Consciousness is spooky and inexplicable.
> 3)  Therefore, quantum physics explains consciousness.
> 
> Maybe.  But the missing link is evidence.  Or even a clearly
> articulated model that can tell us where to look for evidence.
> 
> People who just "have to" explain everything in terms of concrete and
> familiar concepts have been known to assert that consciousness does
> not exist.  Maybe they are right in a limited set of cases:  The
> Gnostics maintained that most humans are born without souls.  The
> Taoists and Sufis posit that the soul is a latent potential that
> remains dormant unless developed through self observation, and may be
> extinguished by the weight of neurotic compulsive attachments to
> "materialistic" motives and activities.  By "soul" I think they mean
> consciousness exhibiting the ability to directly modify thought or
> behavior, and/or perceive something other than the activity of the
> nervous system, but that's a shot in the dark on my part.
> 
> Two questions at the opposite ends of scale sit there like bookends on
> the library of human knowledge:  What is consciousness made of?  What
> contains the Universe and enforces the laws of physics?
> 
> Again, those who simply "must know everything" assert that these are
> meaningless questions and/or that there is "nothing there at all." The
> scientific method addresses "how" but not "why" questions and to them,
> if it's not science it's not real.
> 
> Those with a more experiential / subjective frame of reference often
> arrive at the conclusion that consciousness and existence are
> manifestation of the same thing.  Philosophers who tend toward
> rigorous argument assert that by definition consciousness and
> existence are the same thing for all practical purpose, and that this
> tells us almost nothing except to define the limits on what /can/ be
> known by human beings.
> 
> In Quantum Psychology, Wilson provides a guided tour of a lot of this
> landscape and presents some practical tools, like the E-Prime variant
> of English, for correcting some of the problems that arise from
> believing that we know things we can not know, and behaving accordingly.
> 
> > A news headline like "5 yro savant boy from Uganda breaks root cert
> > in his head for 42 kilograms of western chocolate" will make my day
> > ;)
> 
> If he does, he will probably use a crystal ball, or dance until he
> drops while tripping balls on the best available local psychedelic.
> We have ways of getting at content that is "off limits" to normal
> waking consciousness.  But he probably won't get the desired result
> because in these matters, the process very notoriously has its own
> agenda.  By way of analogy, one does not interrupt a paramedics
> working at a disaster site with a request that she solve a crossword
> puzzle.  You can try but she will ignore you or, if you continue
> pestering her, kick your ass.
> 
> :o)
> 
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women’s desire “is not relational [but] narcissistic” - the phenomenal popularity of the "rape fantasy" - [PEACE]

So E. Jean "most people think of rape as being sexy" Carroll is back
on the 16 minutes of fame trail after her "Trump raped me" book
bombed:

  'Rape Is Sexy' Trump Accuser Sues President For Defamation
  
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rape-sexy-trump-accuser-sues-president-defamation

  ... is now suing Trump for defamation ...
  I guess since the book did not make any money ...


But the deeper qwestion here is why women are overwhelmingly
tittilated with the "soft rape" fantasy, and the tl;dr appears to be
"narcissism":

  Don’t Call Them “Rape Fantasies”
   Women: Ever had exciting fantasies of being sexually “devoured” by
   a stranger?
  
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evolution-the-self/201411/don-t-call-them-rape-fantasies

  Study after study has revealed that one of women’s most popular
  erotic fantasies is being raped. Yet the fundamental dynamics of
  such fantasies has almost nothing to do with such a heinous
  act—which isn’t simply aggressive, but coercive, violent, and at
  times even life-threatening. After all, a woman feeling scared out
  of her mind is hardly conducive to sexual arousal.

  Additionally, women are frequently embarrassed, or ashamed, about
  the fact that such lascivious imaginings can actually turn them on.
  So what exactly is going on here? Why is it so exciting for many
  women to fantasize themselves as the recipient of a male’s
  unbridled, out-of-control lust? This post will attempt to clarify a
  topic as intriguing as it’s controversial. (Not to mention,
  absolutely mortifying to feminists!)

  Many of my ideas here relate to the findings of two contemporary
  female sexologists, as interviewed in a recent New York Times
  article (09/24/14) called “What Do Women Want?—Discovering What
  Ignites Female Desire” by Daniel Bergner.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  Not cited in this piece is a famous quote from the conversationally
  gifted Madame de Staël (1766-1817), whose prescient words on the
  subject I regard as seminal. “The desire of the man,” she opined,
  “is for the woman, but the desire of the woman is for the desire of
  the man.” Without being overly simplistic or reductive, I think
  this timeless reflection goes to the heart of why women’s imagining
  what’s best appreciated as a “safe rape” [talk about oxymorons!] is
  so common a theme in their fantasies. And it’s no less common in
  literally thousands of romance novels, composed especially to
  titillate an almost mind-bogglingly large female audience.

  Bergner, interviewing Marta Meana, a psychology professor at UNLV,
  quotes this researcher (who, by the way, explicitly deems herself a
  feminist) as regretfully being obliged to admit that for women
  “being desired is the orgasm.” Further—and in stark contrast to
  virtually everything that’s been written about the close tie
  between female sexual interest and emotional intimacy—Meana asserts
  that women’s desire “is not relational [but] narcissistic.” It’s
  mostly about externally validating, or strengthening, feelings of
  self-love through experiencing her physical being as the coveted
  object of both a man’s sexual needs and adulation. And here Meana
  cites the research showing that in comparison with men, women’s
  fantasies attend less to giving pleasure than getting it,
  concluding that when it comes to desire, “women may be far less
  relational than men.”

  ...

Re: The Fed's DCoin - dissertation - diddling $$ "facts" - more "not"QE helicopter money mo/mo than 2008 - [MONEY]

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 12:09:54PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> So the Fed's helicopter money (for now for "banks only" still) QE
> program is in top gear already, with endless headlines about "not QE"
> and "everything's fantastic, just a little insurance money printing".
> 
> But of course, between the lines, the fact is that in comparison to
> QE-1, QE-2 and QE-3, this QE-"officially not QE", aka QE-4 aka
> QE-infinity, is now pumping out MORE "not QE, just insurance" dollars
> than at the very peak of the post-2008 global financial crisis QE
> money printing exercises, on a month for month comparison basis.


PS: It looks like JP Morgan single handedly forced the Fed's hand on
this one, ensuring the recent Fed hockey stick back into securities
purchasing:

  "It’s Incredible. The Scale Of What JPMorgan Is Doing Is
  Mind-Boggling"
  
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/its-incredible-scale-what-jpmorgan-doing-mind-boggling


Impressive stuff,

Re: No, Mr. Busby, there is a Santa Claus.

2019-11-04 Thread Tom Busby

I hear you.

We just need more people to come forward with their own archives of the 90s
so we can merge them. That's the most sensible solution (and the only one I
can think of).

Currently, the only game in town seems to be Ryan Lackey's archive. I'm
very keen to get hold of other archives of the period that other people may
have (and would be even in the absence of anything that suggests foul
play), so our goals are aligned here.



On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 23:16, jim bell  wrote:

> Thank you for your reply, I will answer inline:  Jim Bell
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2019, 01:17:58 PM PST, Tom Busby 
> wrote:
>
>
> >Hi to all in general and Jim in particular,
>
> >I don't check the list all that often at the moment, I decided to do a
> keyword search after I saw your disqus comment. It's good to hear from you,
> I'm a fan of Assassination Politics. It's a thought provoking work
> describing a dangerous idea of the kind that has always fascinated me :)
>
> >I'll repeat what I said in my reply on the page:
>
> >
> https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html
> 
>
> >Currently. Yes, the archive is basically just a clone of what's in the
> raw files hosted on Ryan Lackey's venona site. I strongly, strongly suspect
> that this has large amounts of missing data due to how quiet some periods
> are, and also it ends in early 1999 anyway (with those emails tacked on to
> the end of the 1998 archive).
>
>
> While that would be an entirely plausible possibility in the general case,
> and over many years, I can assure you that the then-current almost-total
> data void from February 14 1995 through about mid-July 1995 have nothing at
> all to do with that idea.   I was there at least during March 1995 through
> nearly half of 1997. My very existence, and that of references to "AP"
> and "Assassination Politics", was almost perfectly erased...except that it
> wasnt, in the 1996 archive.   Even when emails were listed July
> 1995-December 1995, I was seemingly almost entirely 'erased',  Even people
> today on CP see that the list must have been "sanitized" to within an inch
> of its life.
>
>
> >I was provided with a (apparently) roughly complete archive for 2000 to
> 2016. This is hosted here currently:
>
> cryptoanarchywiki/2000-to-2016-raw-cypherpunks-archive
> 
>
>
>
> >I had strong ambitions of trying to index and merge all of the archives I
> could get my hands on, but this is more challenging than you might think.
> Determining which two emails are the same is very difficult when they
> sometimes contain encoding errors, extra whitespace, differing text for
> expressing the time of emails, etc (making hashing an infeasible way of
> comparing them). I've also had an enormous amount of other commitments that
> have preventing me working on this archive as much as I'd like (or at all
> really, if I'm honest) over the past year.
>
>
> Well, I think finding out what happened to the data archived into the 1995
> will be much simpler than re-generating the full, correct archive. And no
> doubt this recently-discovered fraud will induce many more people to be
> interested in fixing the archive.  So, you shouldn't worry that you will be
> faced with an ocean of work.
>
>
>
> >The site is also a Jekyll-generated static site hosted on github. The
> sheer number of pages is really approaching the limit of what's possible
> with this approach. It takes over an hour to build the site currently.
> Adding the 2000-2016 archive would be totally unworkable in this way. I
> also want to index the messages in ElasticSearch or similar. The lack of a
> search function is something that I feel is sorely lacking.
>
> >Sadly, for this reason, my attempts to synthesise all the available
> incomplete archives of messages from this era have stalled :( it's there at
> the back of my mind though, so I haven't lost the will to work on it, just
> the time.
>
>
> Okay, I think things will change dramatically, and you will get help on
> this project, I am sure,
>
>
> >I hear your concerns about large numbers of missing emails, and if anyone
> reading this has their own copies of the 1990s archives, I'd love to have
> them. I can't make any promises about when I'll be able to work on
> processing them, but rest assured I will take great care of those archive
> files so that, should I fail to complete this task myself, those archives
> will be collected together for someone else to attempt to finish the task.]
>
> Understand my opinion that "finishing the archive", while remaining a
> worthy goal, should not be considered the highest priority now,   As I said
> quite recently, you don't mow the grass when your house is burning down.
> I think this needs to be extremely well-publicized, to

Re: No, Mr. Busby, there is a Santa Claus.

 Thank you for your reply, I will answer inline:  Jim Bell
On Monday, November 4, 2019, 01:17:58 PM PST, Tom Busby  
wrote:  
 
 >Hi to all in general and Jim in particular,
>I don't check the list all that often at the moment, I decided to do a keyword 
>search after I saw your disqus comment. It's good to hear from you, I'm a fan 
>of Assassination Politics. It's a thought provoking work describing a 
>dangerous idea of the kind that has always fascinated me :)
>I'll repeat what I said in my reply on the page:
>https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html

>Currently. Yes, the archive is basically just a clone of what's in the raw 
>files hosted on Ryan Lackey's venona site. I strongly, strongly suspect that 
>this has large amounts of missing data due to how quiet some periods are, and 
>also it ends in early 1999 anyway (with those emails tacked on to the end of 
>the 1998 archive).

While that would be an entirely plausible possibility in the general case, and 
over many years, I can assure you that the then-current almost-total data void 
from February 14 1995 through about mid-July 1995 have nothing at all to do 
with that idea.   I was there at least during March 1995 through nearly half of 
1997.     My very existence, and that of references to "AP" and "Assassination 
Politics", was almost perfectly erased...except that it wasnt, in the 1996 
archive.   Even when emails were listed July 1995-December 1995, I was 
seemingly almost entirely 'erased',  Even people today on CP see that the list 
must have been "sanitized" to within an inch of its life.  

>I was provided with a (apparently) roughly complete archive for 2000 to 2016. 
>This is hosted here currently:
cryptoanarchywiki/2000-to-2016-raw-cypherpunks-archive



>I had strong ambitions of trying to index and merge all of the archives I 
>could get my hands on, but this is more challenging than you might think. 
>Determining which two emails are the same is very difficult when they 
>sometimes contain encoding errors, extra whitespace, differing text for 
>expressing the time of emails, etc (making hashing an infeasible way of 
>comparing them). I've also had an enormous amount of other commitments that 
>have preventing me working on this archive as much as I'd like (or at all 
>really, if I'm honest) over the past year.

Well, I think finding out what happened to the data archived into the 1995 will 
be much simpler than re-generating the full, correct archive. And no doubt this 
recently-discovered fraud will induce many more people to be interested in 
fixing the archive.  So, you shouldn't worry that you will be faced with an 
ocean of work.


>The site is also a Jekyll-generated static site hosted on github. The sheer 
>number of pages is really approaching the limit of what's possible with this 
>approach. It takes over an hour to build the site currently. Adding the 
>2000-2016 archive would be totally unworkable in this way. I also want to 
>index the messages in ElasticSearch or similar. The lack of a search function 
>is something that I feel is sorely lacking.
>Sadly, for this reason, my attempts to synthesise all the available incomplete 
>archives of messages from this era have stalled :( it's there at the back of 
>my mind though, so I haven't lost the will to work on it, just the time.

Okay, I think things will change dramatically, and you will get help on this 
project, I am sure,

>I hear your concerns about large numbers of missing emails, and if anyone 
>reading this has their own copies of the 1990s archives, I'd love to have 
>them. I can't make any promises about when I'll be able to work on processing 
>them, but rest assured I will take great care of those archive files so that, 
>should I fail to complete this task myself, those archives will be collected 
>together for someone else to attempt to finish the task.]
Understand my opinion that "finishing the archive", while remaining a worthy 
goal, should not be considered the highest priority now,   As I said quite 
recently, you don't mow the grass when your house is burning down.I think this 
needs to be extremely well-publicized, to attract the attention of Cypherpunks 
who frequented the list in the mid-1995s.  We have their names, probably most 
of them, as they remain (in part?) in the archive.  And most of their 
subsequent email addresses probably appear in later archive years.   They may 
have archives of their own; now, they may have no idea that this old data is 
needed.

>Whether or not those archives have willful deletions or modifications to the 
>data, I've no idea, to be honest. 

Well, having examined and scanned the archive for 1995, I _do_ have an idea.  
Due to the essentially complete absence of an extremely peculiar pattern of 
data strings, such as "Jim Bell", "jimb...@pacifier.com", "ap", and 
"assassination politics", yet a few examples of ' ap ' in about 15 examples but 
only

Re: Your Cypherpunks archive

2019-11-04 Thread Tom Busby

Sorry, I only just saw this, messages addressed to me get filtered to a
label if they're also addressed to the mailing list. I should see if I can
change my filter to make an exception for this in my filter rule.

I've replied properly in another thread.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 06:13, jim bell  wrote:

> I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive.
> A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics
> essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not
> there.  And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early
> November 1995 seem to be missing.  And perhaps after November 1995.
>
> I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think
> it will be very important to find out this information.
>
> I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that
> the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list.
> It might have been April 1995.
> Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might
> have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering
> occurred.
>
> We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list.  I assume you will want to
> participate.
>
>   Jim Bell
>

Re: No, Mr. Busby, there is a Santa Claus.

2019-11-04 Thread Tom Busby

Hi to all in general and Jim in particular,

I don't check the list all that often at the moment, I decided to do a
keyword search after I saw your disqus comment. It's good to hear from you,
I'm a fan of Assassination Politics. It's a thought provoking work
describing a dangerous idea of the kind that has always fascinated me :)

I'll repeat what I said in my reply on the page:

https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html

Currently. Yes, the archive is basically just a clone of what's in the raw
files hosted on Ryan Lackey's venona site. I strongly, strongly suspect
that this has large amounts of missing data due to how quiet some periods
are, and also it ends in early 1999 anyway (with those emails tacked on to
the end of the 1998 archive).

I was provided with a (apparently) roughly complete archive for 2000 to
2016. This is hosted here currently:

https://github.com/cryptoanarchywiki/2000-to-2016-raw-cypherpunks-archive

I had strong ambitions of trying to index and merge all of the archives I
could get my hands on, but this is more challenging than you might think.
Determining which two emails are the same is very difficult when they
sometimes contain encoding errors, extra whitespace, differing text for
expressing the time of emails, etc (making hashing an infeasible way of
comparing them). I've also had an enormous amount of other commitments that
have preventing me working on this archive as much as I'd like (or at all
really, if I'm honest) over the past year.

The site is also a Jekyll-generated static site hosted on github. The sheer
number of pages is really approaching the limit of what's possible with
this approach. It takes over an hour to build the site currently. Adding
the 2000-2016 archive would be totally unworkable in this way. I also want
to index the messages in ElasticSearch or similar. The lack of a search
function is something that I feel is sorely lacking.

Sadly, for this reason, my attempts to synthesise all the available
incomplete archives of messages from this era have stalled :( it's there at
the back of my mind though, so I haven't lost the will to work on it, just
the time.

I hear your concerns about large numbers of missing emails, and if anyone
reading this has their own copies of the 1990s archives, I'd love to have
them. I can't make any promises about when I'll be able to work on
processing them, but rest assured I will take great care of those archive
files so that, should I fail to complete this task myself, those archives
will be collected together for someone else to attempt to finish the task.]

Whether or not those archives have willful deletions or modifications to
the data, I've no idea, to be honest. I would rely on others to notice and
report things that seem strange. Even then I'm not sure what to do about
it. When coming across two distinct versions of what appear to be the same
message, I'd probably just list both. That's all I can do really. This
project appears to be complex in a lot of ways that weren't obvious at the
start... which is a familiar story to anyone who sets out to solve a
problem I guess :)

Tom

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 23:31, jim bell  wrote:

> No, Mr. Busby, there is a Santa Claus.
>
> Dear Mr. Busby,
>
> On the Cypherpunks Archive web page,
> https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html
>  , you said:
>
> "I have an uneasy feeling that many of the posts from this era may
> already be irrecoverably lost. If this is true it would be a great shame
> for future generations who want to learn about this vital period of
> internet history and development. There is an argument that perhaps the
> list participants would like their privacy preserved, however I don’t think
> it is a strong one. An open-subscription mailing list is ultimately a
> public forum. Posting to it is an act of placing information into the
> public domain."
>
> No, Mr. Busby, you need not worry about that specific possibility.   There
> were clearly hundreds of people who subscribed to the CP email list, even
> as early as mid 1995.  Each of them regularly received copies of posted CP
> emails, which were presumably reliably stored onto their computers' hard
> drives, possibly floppy disks, and eventually possibly backup tapes. Those
> hard drives were occasionally retired, but when that happened many of them
> were probably put on shelves to gather dust.  Remember, at the moment they
> were retired, they were not considered totally worthless.  And shelves are
> remarkable things:  If you put something on them, perhaps in a box, that
> object generally does not simply disappear after years or even decades.
> So there was no immediate reason to throw those hard drives away, even if
> the potential value of that hardware gradually

Riots in Chile

2019-11-04 Thread jamesd


On 2019-10-22 13:41, Razer wrote:

See this infographic: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/COMPLETEANARCHY/comments/dkspnx/the_actual_causes_of_insurrection_in_chile/


The riots are caused by "green energy"

Oil is getting cheaper, but public transport more expensive, because 
"green energy" means less energy, which means less of the western lifestyle.


In practice green energy projects do not turn wind and solar into 
energy.  They turn wind and solar into superior holiness.


Most of the warmists are in it to shake down the energy grid for a few 
dollars in the course of destroying western civilization.  The rest are 
in it as the latest excuse for socialism, because they want to murder 
hundreds of millions of people all over again.

Re: Cypherpunks archive description.

 I feel confident we will be able to narrow down the date of the fraud, and 
maybe the people responsible.  We really need to publicize this.  One of the 
ways would be to put it into the Wikipedia article for 'Cypherpunks'.   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk    One impediment is that claiming to 
be an 'encylopedia', Wikipedia labels itself a 'tertiary source', and likes to 
get information citable from 'secondary sources', books and magazines, and 
their modern electronic equivalents. And, it is said that those sources must be 
"reliable sources".  Sadly, in Wikipedia, I have noticed that applied in 
politically or ideologically-controversial articles this REALLY means, 
"left-leaning politically-correct liberal-approved sources".   
I see no reason the header of that article cannot include something like, "On 
Nov 1, Jim Bell and current subscribers to that list discovered a massive 
forgery of the email archive  of the year 1995..."    But, this would have to 
be backed up with a media source.
I wonder if Declan McCullagh  could be shamed into helping out.  He 
incompetently mishandled by story in 2002, giving up merely because (he said) 
I'd been convicted, so there was no story left to report.    Such a claim is 
obviously no longer valid.
              Jim Bell

On Monday, November 4, 2019, 08:04:01 AM PST, Greg Newby 
 wrote:  

 Those are the same as what I have at https://www.petascale.org/cypherpunks 
(other than line endings: they are not identical files, but the contents seems 
to be the same).

The Cryptome files are dated 2009, and the ones I have were dated 2003.

The other archive referenced below is: https://cypherpunks.venona.com/ .. I did 
a quick perusal of 1995/11 and the contents seem to match the two sources above.

You probably already looked here: 
http://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/ (the first hit in Google for 
"archive of cypherpunks email list"). Seems the same. Notably, 1995 has no 
archives for April or June 1995 in any of these three copies of the archive. 
So, they seem to match at a coarse grain, at least.
 - Greg

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 04:57:43AM +, jim bell wrote:
> 
> Cypherpunks Archive 1992-1998
> John Young j...@pipeline.com
> Fri Sep 6 16:17:54 EDT 2013
> 
>    
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> Cypherpunks Archive 1992-1998 in raw text:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-92-98.zip (83MB)
> 
> By year:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1992.zip (790KB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1993.zip (7.4MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1994.zip (11.8MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1995.zip (10.1MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1996.zip (21.6MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1997.zip (20.7MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1998.zip (10.8MB)
> 
> Who October 26, 1996:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpnkwho-102296.txt (34KB)
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:06 PM 9/6/2013, you wrote:
> >On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:13:50PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> > > On 9/6/13, CypherPunk  wrote:
> > > > On 09/06/2013 06:17 AM, John Preston wrote:
> > > >> I'm having trouble finding the list archives going back into the 90's;
> > > >> they're not on cpunks.org. Anyone got them?
> > > >
> > > > http://cypherpunks.venona.com/
> > >
> > > cryptome has a partial zip archive you can search for.
> > >
> > > For those that use real MUA's/search with local copies
> > > instead of crippled web indexes further subject to disappearance,
> > > and to cover time gaps and provide a canonical answer
> > > to this recurring question
> > >
> > > I suggest people here collaborate and contribute to
> > > create a complete historical archive in mbox and/or maildir
> >
> >An excellent idea. Unfortunately, I lost my 1980s/90s
> >emails due to a shredded RAID.
> >
> > > format. Once compiled and deduplicated it could be
> > > broken out and presented by year in said formats and
> > > also loaded into mailman/pipermail.
> > >
> > > What datasets do you all have and in what formats?
> > > Can you upload and/or post links to them?
> > >
> > > I believe cpunks.org is willing to host such an archive.
> >
> >I will put up a mirror as well. mbox format is perfect.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
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Re: Militia, law, impressment, guns, history

On 11/4/19, Razer  wrote:
> you get shit.

Maybe you know CA, perhaps you getting shit on and stolen
from daily by your favorite CA lefty democratic government.
No matter, both their parties are 100% dedicated to shitting on you.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Military_Department

MILITARY AND VETERANS CODE SECTION 120-130
Go read it.
That's your CA, and its code... they will arrest mark imprison
and even murder people who refuse to participate in their
immoral wars murder theft forcing harmless peaceful people etc...
that's entirely disgusting.

> the scumbags who founded this
> shithole nation had ANY intention of honoring the documents they signed.

They scammed a population that had just revolted
themselves into the general freedom of anarchy...
out of their newfound freedom and into servitude,
unto them. Their lofty asses knew exactly what
they were doing, as do all governments. They
put some emcees on a slick party announcement,
trick you at the door, rope you up, and then fuck you
as their treat, till you revolt.

Do something truly different next time,
be the first to stop creating governments.

In the meantime, adopt and use privacy cryptocurrencies
amongst yourselves.

Re: Cypherpunks archive description.

2019-11-04 Thread Greg Newby

Those are the same as what I have at https://www.petascale.org/cypherpunks 
(other than line endings: they are not identical files, but the contents seems 
to be the same).

The Cryptome files are dated 2009, and the ones I have were dated 2003.

The other archive referenced below is: https://cypherpunks.venona.com/ .. I did 
a quick perusal of 1995/11 and the contents seem to match the two sources above.

You probably already looked here: 
http://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/ (the first hit in Google for 
"archive of cypherpunks email list"). Seems the same. Notably, 1995 has no 
archives for April or June 1995 in any of these three copies of the archive. 
So, they seem to match at a coarse grain, at least.
 - Greg

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 04:57:43AM +, jim bell wrote:
> 
> Cypherpunks Archive 1992-1998
> John Young j...@pipeline.com
> Fri Sep 6 16:17:54 EDT 2013
> 
>
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> Hacking Routers and Switches
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> Cypherpunks Archive 1992-1998 in raw text:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-92-98.zip (83MB)
> 
> By year:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1992.zip (790KB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1993.zip (7.4MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1994.zip (11.8MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1995.zip (10.1MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1996.zip (21.6MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1997.zip (20.7MB)
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpunks-1998.zip (10.8MB)
> 
> Who October 26, 1996:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/cpunks/cpnkwho-102296.txt (34KB)
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:06 PM 9/6/2013, you wrote:
> >On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:13:50PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> > > On 9/6/13, CypherPunk  wrote:
> > > > On 09/06/2013 06:17 AM, John Preston wrote:
> > > >> I'm having trouble finding the list archives going back into the 90's;
> > > >> they're not on cpunks.org. Anyone got them?
> > > >
> > > > http://cypherpunks.venona.com/
> > >
> > > cryptome has a partial zip archive you can search for.
> > >
> > > For those that use real MUA's/search with local copies
> > > instead of crippled web indexes further subject to disappearance,
> > > and to cover time gaps and provide a canonical answer
> > > to this recurring question
> > >
> > > I suggest people here collaborate and contribute to
> > > create a complete historical archive in mbox and/or maildir
> >
> >An excellent idea. Unfortunately, I lost my 1980s/90s
> >emails due to a shredded RAID.
> >
> > > format. Once compiled and deduplicated it could be
> > > broken out and presented by year in said formats and
> > > also loaded into mailman/pipermail.
> > >
> > > What datasets do you all have and in what formats?
> > > Can you upload and/or post links to them?
> > >
> > > I believe cpunks.org is willing to host such an archive.
> >
> >I will put up a mirror as well. mbox format is perfect.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: Militia, law, impressment, guns, history

2019-11-04 Thread Razer

I got ur well-ordered militia hangin' motherfucker, and you get shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Military_Department

You see. You're stupid. You actually BELIEVE the scumbags who founded this 
shithole nation had ANY intention of honoring the documents they signed. 
They're AssWipe.
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Gifts that keep on giving: Oklahoma Uni: Police try to id person posting "IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE" flyers - [PEACE]

Some 2016 memes, like "wierd flashing GIFs that appear, then
disappear, and they're on the Dark Web and NOBODY can find them" keep
on giving in 2019:

Clinton: “Flashing Videos That Appear and Then Disappear
and They’re on the Dark Web and Nobody Can Find Them”

http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/clinton-finally-hits-on-reason-she-lost-flashing-videos-that-appear-and-then-disappear-and-theyre-on-the-dark-web-and-nobody-can-find-them/

[Flashing Gif elided]
A flashing image I found on the dark web. If this appears or
disappears, try refreshing your browser or deleting system32. If
you can’t find it after that, you might be out of luck.

It is truly incredible that “Madam President Scorned” is still a
meme – but it do.

She is still out there, every week, dropping new and increasingly
fascinating reasons for why she lost the 2016 election.

Hillary Clinton:
... “I think it’s going to be the same as 2016,” Clinton said.
“I’m going to show you in these flashing videos that appear and
then disappear and they’re on the dark web and nobody can find
them, but you’re going to see them and you’re going to see that
person doing these horrible things.”

[Michelle Obama swimsuit shots not attached]

Some 2017 memes are gifts that surprisingly, just keep on giving in
2019 - astounding but true:

“It’s Okay to be White” Flyers Still Sending
Universities Into Chaos

http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/its-okay-to-be-white-flyers-still-sending-universities-into-chaos/

You’d think liberals would have gotten over it by now…

The annual “It’s Okay to be White” freakout is happening again.

The Oklahoman:

https://oklahoman.com/article/5645882/police-searching-for-suspect-who-left-flyers-at-ocu-law

Police are trying to identify a person who posted flyers
saying “IT’S OKAY TO BE WHITE” at the Oklahoma City
University School of Law.

OCU Police Director Bill Citty said officers don’t
believe the person is a threat to students or the
school campus.

The person left several papers Thursday night with
the text “IT’S OKAY TO BE WHITE” outside and on the
doors of the law school, 800 N Harvey. Campus
police obtained images of the man and have a “good
idea” of his identity, Citty said.

The Oklahoma City Police Department is trying
to locate the man for questioning.

“The important thing now is to 100%
identify this person and find out what his
intentions were,” Citty said.

... Against all odds, it seems like this classic trick is still
soliciting the same response from both the schools and the media,
showing us once again that liberals won’t learn their lesson if
they have an opportunity to freak out and publicly signal how
virtuous they are.

Once the man is found, officers will try to determine whether
he planned any more incidents at OCU. The man will be told not
to return to the school campus.

The flyers alone don’t appear to be a crime, Citty said.
Property would have to be destroyed for vandalism to apply.
Officers will investigate whether the person’s actions amounted
to a hate crime.

... the law school has been “intentional and relentless” in
celebrating its diverse community.

The school celebrated Hispanic Heritage Month, LGBTQ+ History
Month and Day of the Dead and will honor Native American
Heritage Month.

Naturally, the school is “intentionally” and “relentlessly”
celebrating brown people and perverts, but if anyone publicly
claims to be comfortable being a White guy, God help him.

Just the fact that the school is reacting this way to this simple
flyer sends the message loud and clear that it’s not, in fact,
okay to be White.
...

Stunning stuff...

Militia, law, impressment, guns, history

> such implicit arguments have frequently been cited by (mostly
> liberal?) debaters, and much of the clueless populace, lacking any sort of
> legal education, accepts them without apparent question.)

The Anti-Gun crowd generally avoids quoting, analyzing
and debating law and its historical context and reasons.
This is because it simply does not support their
Anti-Gun position. And because sidestepping needing to
voice or contend with such things makes their agenda easier.

It's also relavant that most of them have never spent an
afternoon or year learning the sport, defense, hunting, law,
comparative statistics, etc.

Let alone been exposed to or explored larger free thought
subjects such as...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_secession
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

> Now, a state might hypothetically have a LAW requiring a militia
> member to respond to a call.   But that law would not necessarily
> be Constitutional

These sorts of "laws", including "mandatory service", taxes, etc
are all immoral and against natural law... forcing somone to
take an action, slavery, whatever you want others to do,
them having done nothing to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment

Took till 1995 for even the UN to begin to understand
that conscription and impressment are wrong.

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