Re: Phys.org: Quantum cryptography: Making hacking futile

[Mirimir]

Thanks Gym!

--- Original Message ---
On Friday, July 29th, 2022 at 11:59 PM, jim bell  wrote:

> Phys.org: Quantum cryptography: Making hacking futile.
> https://phys.org/news/2022-07-quantum-cryptography-hacking-futile.html
>
> The Internet is teeming with highly sensitive information. Sophisticated 
> encryption techniques generally ensure that such content cannot be 
> intercepted and read. But in the future high-performance quantum computers 
> could crack these keys in a matter of seconds. It is just as well, then, that 
> quantum mechanical techniques not only enable new, much faster algorithms, 
> but also exceedingly effective cryptography.
>
> Quantum [key distribution](https://phys.org/tags/key+distribution/) (QKD)—as 
> the jargon has it—is secure against attacks on the [communication 
> channel](https://phys.org/tags/communication+channel/), but not against 
> attacks on or manipulations of the devices themselves. The devices could 
> therefore output a key which the manufacturer had previously saved and might 
> conceivably have forwarded to a hacker. With device- independent QKD 
> (abbreviated to DIQKD), it is a different story. Here, the cryptographic 
> protocol is independent of the device used. Theoretically known since the 
> 1990s, this method has now been experimentally realized for the first time, 
> by an international research group led by LMU physicist Harald Weinfurter and 
> Charles Lim from the National University of Singapore (NUS).
>
> For exchanging quantum mechanical keys, there are different approaches 
> available. Either [light signals](https://phys.org/tags/light+signals/) are 
> sent by the transmitter to the receiver, or entangled [quantum 
> systems](https://phys.org/tags/quantum+systems/) are used. In the present 
> experiment, the physicists used two quantum mechanically entangled [rubidium 
> atoms](https://phys.org/tags/rubidium+atoms/), situated in two laboratories 
> located 400 meters from each other on the LMU campus. The two locations are 
> connected via a [fiber optic cable](https://phys.org/tags/fiber+optic+cable/) 
> 700 meters in length, which runs beneath Geschwister Scholl Square in front 
> of the main building.
>
> To create an entanglement, first the scientists excite each of the atoms with 
> a laser pulse. After this, the atoms spontaneously fall back into their 
> [ground state](https://phys.org/tags/ground+state/), each thereby emitting a 
> photon. Due to the conservation of angular momentum, the spin of the atom is 
> entangled with the polarization of its emitted photon. The two [light 
> particles](https://phys.org/tags/light+particles/) travel along the fiber 
> [optic cable](https://phys.org/tags/optic+cable/) to a receiver station, 
> where a joint measurement of the photons indicates an entanglement of the 
> atomic quantum memories.

Re: The Register: IBM puts NIST’s quantum-resistant crypto to work in Z16 mainframe

[Mirimir]

Thanks Gym!

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, July 27th, 2022 at 3:52 PM, jim bell  wrote:

> The Register: IBM puts NIST’s quantum-resistant crypto to work in Z16 
> mainframe.
> https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/07/27/z16_ibm_post_quantum_crypto/
>
> Actual quantum computers don't exist yet. The cryptography to defeat them may 
> already be here
>
> NIST pushes ahead with CRYSTALS-KYBER, CRYSTALS-Dilithium, FALCON, SPHINCS+ 
> algorithms
>
> [Thomas Claburn in San 
> Francisco](https://www.theregister.com/Author/Thomas-Claburn)Tue 5 Jul 2022 
> // 22:36 UTC
> [43 [comment bubble on 
> white]](https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/07/05/nist_quantum_resistant_algorithms/)
> ---
>
> The US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has recommended 
> four cryptographic algorithms for standardization to ensure data can be 
> protected as quantum computers become more capable of decryption.
>
> Back in 2015, the NSA [announced 
> plans](https://web.archive.org/web/20150905185709/https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/)
>  to transition to quantum-resistant cryptographic algorithms in preparation 
> for the time when quantum computers make it possible to access data encrypted 
> by current algorithms, such as AES and RSA.
>
> No one is quite sure when that may occur but it depends on the number of 
> qubits – quantum bits – that a quantum machine can muster, and other factors, 
> such as [error 
> correction](https://www.theregister.com/2020/12/09/quantum_computing_correction/).
>
> Researchers at Google and in Sweden last 
> year[suggested](https://quantum-journal.org/papers/q-2021-04-15-433/)it 
> should be possible to factor a 2,048-bit integer in an RSA cryptosystem in 
> about eight hours, given a 20 million-qubit quantum computer. Researchers in 
> France[claim](https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.06159)it should be possible to 
> factor 2,048-bit RSA integers in 177 days with 13,436 qubits and multimode 
> memory.
>
> Current quantum computers have orders of magnitude fewer qubits than they 
> need to be cryptographically relevant. IBM recently unveiled a 127-qubit 
> quantum processor. The IT giant says it is aiming to produce [a 1,000-qubit 
> chip](https://research.ibm.com/blog/ibm-quantum-roadmap) by the end of 2023 
> and its roadmap places machines of more than 1 million qubits in an 
> unidentified time period. The Jülich Supercomputing Center (JSC) and D-Wave 
> Systems have [a 5,000-qubit 
> machine](https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/news/archive/press-release/2022/2022-01-17-juniq-europes-first-quantum-computer-with-5000-qubits).
>
> Not all qubits are equal however. The JSC/D-Wave machine relies on a quantum 
> annealing processor and is adept at solving optimization problems. IBM's 
> machine is gate-based, which is better suited for running Shor's algorithm to 
> break cryptography.I
>
> n any event, the expectation is that quantum computers, eventually, will be 
> able to conduct practical attacks on data protected using current technology 
> – forcibly decrypt data encrypted using today's algorithms, in other words. 
> Hence, the

Re: Surveillance is pervasive: Yes, you are being watched, even if no one is looking for you

[Mirimir]

Thanks Gym!

--- Original Message ---
On Friday, July 22nd, 2022 at 10:53 AM, jim bell  wrote:

> Surveillance is pervasive: Yes, you are being watched, even if no one is 
> looking for you
> https://share.newsbreak.com/1h6myng5
>
> Surveillance is pervasive: Yes, you are being watched, even if no one is 
> looking for you
>
> By Peter Krapp, Professor of Film & Media Studies, University of California, 
> Irvine, 5 hrs ago
> Most Americans are aware of video surveillance of public spaces. Likewise, 
> most people know about online tracking – and[want Congress to do something 
> about 
> it](https://morningconsult.com/2021/04/27/state-privacy-congress-priority-poll/).
>  But as a researcher who[studies digital culture and secret communications , 
> I believe that to understand how pervasive surveillance is, it’s important to 
> recognize how physical and digital tracking work 
> together.](https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en=tMOMmqsJ_op=list_works=pubdate)
>
> Databases can correlate [location data from 
> smartphones](https://theconversation.com/impending-demise-of-roe-v-wade-puts-a-spotlight-on-a-major-privacy-risk-your-phone-reveals-more-about-you-than-you-think-182504),
>  the growing number of private cameras, [license plate 
> readers](https://www.wired.com/story/license-plate-reader-alpr-surveillance-abortion/)on
>  police cruisers and toll roads, and [facial recognition 
> technology](https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/9/21002515/surveillance-cameras-globally-us-china-amount-citizens),
>  so if law enforcement wants to track where you are and where you’ve been, 
> they can. They need a warrant to use [cellphone 
> search](https://www.upturn.org/work/mass-extraction/)equipment: Connecting 
> your device to a [mobile device forensic 
> tool](https://csrc.nist.gov/Projects/Mobile-Security-and-Forensics/Mobile-Forensics)lets
>  them extract and [analyze all your 
> data](https://www.forensicmag.com/518341-Digital-Forensics-Window-Into-the-Soul/)[if
>  they have a warrant](https://casetext.com/case/people-v-riley-263).
>
> However, private [data 
> brokers](https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-data-brokers-know-where-you-are-and-want-to-sell-that-intel/)also
>  track this kind of data and [help surveil 
> citizens](https://issues.org/data-brokers-police-surveillance/)– without a 
> warrant. There is a large market for personal data, compiled from information 
> people volunteer, information people unwittingly yield – for example, [via 
> mobile 
> apps](https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-control-which-apps-access-your-location-on-ios-and-android/)–
>  and information that is stolen in data breaches. Among the customers for 
> this largely unregulated data are [federal, state and local law enforcement 
> agencies](https://www.vox.com/recode/22565926/police-law-enforcement-data-warrant).

Re: Popular crypto wallet discontinued after fatal flaw discovered

[Mirimir]

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 27th, 2022 at 3:50 PM, jim bell  wrote:

> Popular crypto wallet discontinued after fatal flaw discovered
>
> https://www.techradar.com/news/a-vulnerability-in-this-popular-crypto-wallet-could-give-hackers-control-of-funds
>
> https://share.newsbreak.com/yl4lzkpr

>

> :-(

Re: Cryptoanarchism writecode vs SJW style methods [re: mentions child gangs slave in source]

[Mirimir]

On 08/09/2020 02:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
>> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/10458
>> https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16559200=60174924
>> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/20/06/12/0543254/openzfs-removed-offensive-terminology-from-its-code
> 
> Most opensource project issue trackers now experiencing same.
> 
> Master/slave? ...

What's funny here is that these authoritarians are functioning as
masters. So they ought to start by eliminating themselves ;)



> But does seem they forgot to destroy some devices in their PC's first
> to set proper example.

OK, they oughta nuke their PCs first.



> Of far more important matter to this forum...
> 
> Remember, authoritarians also deploying some of the same SJW
> style methods to condition you susceptible so that you will remove
> strong crypto, decentralization, privacy, p2p, anonymity,
> cryptocurrency, distributed voluntary cooperation, etc...
> the very cypherpunk cryptoanarchism... from your code.

Yep, they're a bunch of fucking thieves and rapists ;)

> Be aware of that, don't fall susceptible,
> continue writing the cypherpunk code of cryptoanarchism.
> May it yield a more free peaceful forceless loving world.

"Do what thou wilt. Love is the law. Love under will."

> I strongly suspect the people who are pushing for these things
> fall into two camps. The first camp are people who genuinely want to
> control the language, and by proxy, thought. These are very dangerous
> people and should be resisted at all times.

Not just resisted. They must be killed after their first offense.

> The second camp are people
> who genuinely want to do something so they can be a part of this
> current trend and feel like they are participating in a meaningful
> way. These are ordinary decent people, but are certainly influenced by
> the bluster and actions of the first camp.

Agreed.

> Here's the thing, though. If you're in the second camp, your
> actions will not save you from the first camp. The authoritarians in
> the first camp are fundamentally about control, and if you stand in
> their way, your past actions will mean nothing. Anything less than
> complete subservience to whatever ideology is currently in vogue in
> the first camp, is treated as a viral attack and is stamped out with
> extreme prejudice. Your past capitulation will not serve you in the
> future.

Exactly.

> Nobody--at least nobody with a lick of sense or
> proportion--actually thinks that changing "master/slave" to something
> else will accomplish anything of substance or real value. It's nothing
> more than a publicity stunt to demonstrate that you are not like those
> people over there, the racists. It's a signal of your adherence to the
> new narrative, nothing more. The authoritarians in the first camp will
> acknowledge your signal, and they now know that later you will be more
> likely to accept the next click on the ratchet. Make no mistake,
> however; when they ratchet it too far for you, nothing you did in the
> past will save you.
> 
> It's the behavior of cults, and used to great effect at
> controlling behavior. What's surprising is how many tech people are
> susceptible to it.

Cults, sure. But fundamentally it's the behavior of dictatorships.

Re: Killing President Trump

[Mirimir]

On 08/05/2020 01:45 AM, Se7en wrote:
> On 20-08-05 09:33:16, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
>>
>> C00697516 is promising to execute President Donald J Trump for treason.
> 
> I would certainly like to know what the fuck this is. 

It's likely some AP market, no?

Re: The threat of privacy

[Mirimir]

On 08/03/2020 09:01 AM, John Young wrote:



> Reminds that cryptography has led to the loss of privacy by tagging
> crypto users, coders, rebels!, promoters, investors. So too
> cryptocurrency, the Internet, anonymizers, TOR, drop boxes, secure
> drops, Signal, Telegram, burst transmissions, privacy policies,
> pro-encryption advocates, comsec wizards, the array of promissories one
> by one gobbling gullible adopters urged on by lists like this and social
> media, MSM. financial greeders, hackers, leak sites, turncoats needing
> pensions.

True. But then, it's crucial to hide the fact that you're hiding. That's
hard, I admit. Using public WiFi hotspots at distance with high-gain
antennas arguably provides the most privacy. But there aren't that many
open APs left. And high-gain antennas are nontrivial to hide.

I use nested VPN chains. So my ISP just sees that I'm using a VPN.
Everything else is buried deeper, using other VPNs and Tor.

> To be sure, "cash' the imaginaire of economists, is not the same as
> paper money which can also be tracked by human residue, transactional
> spoors, aggrieved victims, informers, world bank scholars under contract
> to finger malefactors, family members eager to payback those who fucked
> them, dear Mary tell what you know.

There are ways to clean paper money of DNA, RNA and proteins. Using
enzymes, and mildly acidic and alkaline liquids. Gold coins are also
good, because you can clean them aggressively with no fear of damage.
Unless you use aqua regia, anyway.

Re: what is "Herd Immunity"?

[Mirimir]

On 07/31/2020 09:25 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:14:24 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>> I'm mocking the idea that anarchy is workable for the existing
>> population, generally. 
> 
> 
>   so who the fuck you think are? =) 
> 
>   Oh yes, you're an enlightened elitist who thinks he's way above the 
> 'existing population', though not in moral terms of course, because he's an 
> 'utilitarian'.

I'm fundamentally a hedonist, in that having fun is my major goal in
life. But yes, I'm utilitarian. And a scientist.

I didn't say "above". Indeed, I'm among the least community minded here.
Right on the edge. It's just that I'm such a charming guy ;)

>> However, it's a hugely self-selected community, with an explicit social
>> contract, and members who don't play well get shunned and booted. I
>> really don't think that such a community would work for random sheeple.
> 
>   So that's your argument against personal rights eh. Wait, your little 
> community tale, whether real or imaginary, is not an argument. Then again, 
> utilitarianism is even less of an argument. 

There's no right to be a member of a voluntary organization.

>> So what's your path to anarchy? Love? Education? Kill the assholes?
> 
>   That's not the subject at hand. 

Who are you to define the "subject at hand"?

And it's a simple question, no? If you don't have an answer, I guess
that I default to mocking you for being uselessly dogmatic.

>>> STILL, if people on this list were actually 'cypherpunks', instead of 
>>> techno-fascist posers, then your comment would be as out of place as it 
>>> should be. 
>>
>> There are no rules here, my friend :)
> 
>   Of course there are rules. Basic logical rules. The pertinent rule in 
> this case being :  if you're not an anarchist, then you're not a cypherpunk, 
> so what are you doing here? 

So you say.

>   And just in case I need to spell out the painfully obvious. That's not 
> a 'rule' to be 'enforced' by some 'owner' of some 'server'.
> 
> 
>   So tell me, what do you think about the demographics of the flu farce 
> in germany? What's your opinion as Englightened Science Worshipper? Do you 
> want more thermal cameras like our Agent Jim Bell? Here, some basic 
> arithmetic :

I don't much care. We won't know how it will go for a year or two. It
could go away, or it could get worse, or another one could come along.
But human technological society is doomed, one way or another.

>   https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-July/081633.html

Being over 70, I'd rather not be surrounded by masses of infected
idiots. And damn, I'm glad that I don't live in Texas or California. Or
the South, generally. However, I do see the logic of letting old folks
die, and trashing the economy less. But then, a trashed economy releases
less CO2, so maybe that's a good thing.

So overall, I don't care much.

Re: what is "Herd Immunity"?

[Mirimir]

On 07/31/2020 05:47 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:27:22 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>> But I suppose, in your happy anarchy, it could mean whatever cabrón
>> develops some vaccine.
> 
>   are you mocking anarchy on an anarchist mailing list? Though of course, 
> in practice, this list is a statist shithole, and is its own infinite 
> self-parody, thanks to Jim and all the rest of technofascists. Hey, let's 
> have more termal cameras, retardphone tracking and 'vaccines' because of the 
> latest flu PSYOP. 

I'm mocking the idea that anarchy is workable for the existing
population, generally. I do live in a community that's fundamentally
anarchic, although there is coordination and oversight through circles
with modified consensus. And it generally works pretty well.

However, it's a hugely self-selected community, with an explicit social
contract, and members who don't play well get shunned and booted. I
really don't think that such a community would work for random sheeple.

So what's your path to anarchy? Love? Education? Kill the assholes?

>   STILL, if people on this list were actually 'cypherpunks', instead of 
> techno-fascist posers, then your comment would be as out of place as it 
> should be. 

There are no rules here, my friend :)

Re: what is "Herd Immunity"?

[Mirimir]

On 07/31/2020 03:21 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:05:51 + (UTC)
> jim bell  VOMITED:
> 
>>   As long as there are people willing to volunteer to take the risk of 
>> getting vaccinated with these new COVID-19 vaccine candidates, I think 
>> society should take up their offer.  
> 
>   yes, Jim. 'society' should... - wait, you've now reached the latest 
> stage of collectivistic fascism eh? You now think 'society' is an agent? 

I agree that "society" is vague. In most places, it means "governments",
given that they regulate vaccine testing, and typically need to
jawbone/bribe pharmaceutical firms to develop vaccines (which are
usually not very profitable, and litigation magnets).

But I suppose, in your happy anarchy, it could mean whatever cabrón
develops some vaccine.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/28/2020 03:35 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 22:23 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/27/2020 04:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>>
>>> My dearest love, may you tell me the reasons why you don't you trust
>>> surgeons, please?
>>
>> Because, for the most part, what they know is anatomy and surgery, and
>> so they tend to see surgery as the best option. They're also more full
>> of themselves than other doctors.
>>
>> The history of spinal surgery, in particular, is replete with all sorts
>> of disastrous operations. See
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=malpractice+spinal+surgery=ffnt=web for
>> examples.
> 
> 
> Oh, the most disastrous operations in the history of spinal surgery...
> W-O-W, loved it!  All I wanted to see before my pretty complex spinal
> surgery, sweetie!  <3

Just be careful, my dear :)

> Hahahahaha!!!  ;D

<3

> Mirimir, I do love you.  You and my doctor always think I am a very
> rational creature, able to analyze creepy situations with cold blood,
> hahahaha!!!  Nobody else in this world would believe it, hahahahaha!!!  ;D

Yeah, it's hard to be rational when you're broken :(

>> In this specific moment, your answer will probably be very interesting for
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Do you appreciate or, at least, trust doctors in general or not?  Some
>>> specifically medical area?
>>
>> I generally don't trust doctors. In the US anyway, they're generally
>> driven too much by greed for money and status. And far too manipulated
>> by the pharmaceutical and device industries. But there are many who are
>> truly caring and competent, of course.
> 
> 
> I do care a lot about a neurosurgeon  - he used to be one of my best
> friends before his marriage -  and the innocent surgeon who thinks I am a
> rational person.  Sweet boy.
> 
> My best friend for years and years was an addicted doctor, Mirimir.  That's
> the reason why I learned a bit about chemicals, my love.  He committed
> suicide and my world became stranger than ever for a considerable time.
> 
> You know I do hate lies and labels, but I was "his sweet high school
> girlfriend" in public.  In real private life, he was gay and had more
> boyfriends than me and all my friends together.  But you know, he was a
> successful doctor and needed a perfect image: - white, male, hetero...  He
> was buried using an Armani suit and red roses, our favorite flowers.  I
> still love him and miss this fucking bitch a lot.

Suicides do fuck up their friends' lives, for sure. It's arguably a
communicable disease. But of course, it's also a basic human right.

>> I trust only a few surgeons.  And I would give my life for only one of
>> them
>>> because he saved me a few months ago.  Not in a surgery, he explained me
>>> very important subjects about my body, trusting in my capacity of
>>> processing informations rationally...  wow...  The human body and its
>>> anatomy are fascinating, an astonishing beauty even when is damaged, hurt
>>> like mine...
>>
>> OK, so _he_ sounds like a _good_ surgeon :)
>>
> 
> Hahahaha!!!  _He_ is a fucking _amazing_ surgeon!!!  I made some specific
> researches about him.  :D
> 
> Don't feel jealous, my love.  I think _he_ has the _same_ preferences than
> me in several areas.  Well, never asked about it.  Sorry, he is the guy who
> will put his hands in my spine, not necessarily in my back.  ;)

I'm not jealous. But it'd be a shame if you were incapacitated ;)

> (There will be a scar, but he will try to preserve my tattoo.)

Maybe he could shape the incision like a lightning bolt. Or a snake :)

> He is a spinal surgeon, darling.  And I didn't tell my parents I can die or
> become paraplegic after the last surgery.  I just want to be a butterfly
> again and get my freedom back.
> 
> I was an hyperactive child and was banned of schools because of it.  I love
> to walk for hours while thinking about a new idea or a problem.  Can you
> mesure the deep intensity of my fear of losing my movements?   :((

I do get that.

> I was shocked.  At same time, he gave me an answer and new perspectives.  I
> wanted it more than everything at that point.  Certainly, it was not a good
> answer, but I had finally a rational justification for the strong pains
> able to make me fainting, able to make my lovely always low blood pressure
> becoming crazily high in some moments...
> 
> My body was/is so fucking healthy that most of doctors simply said it was
> stress, maybe psychological pain...  Sorry, my body and I never were needy
> enough for pretending to be sick for getting attention.  And, well, I do
> love my body.  It survived to

Re: F**ck ALL the non-Cypherpunks

[Mirimir]

On 07/28/2020 05:24 PM, таракан wrote:
> Who ever said you are a woman ?
> 
> Cecília I think you are a very UGLY TRANS
> 
> Cecilia if you are not a transexual, send us a picture of your pretty sexual 
> woman face holding a piece of blank paper with the number 1724353 written 
> there
> 
> if we do not get it then you're just am ugly monster, more likely a 
> Transexual horror

You must be trolling. And if you're not, please accept my condolences.

But taking you literally, you've demonstrated clearly that you're _not_
a cypherpunk. Because respect for anonymity and privacy is
unquestionably a key aspect.[0]

| Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age.
| Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn’t
| want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something
| one doesn’t want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to
| selectively reveal oneself to the world.

0) https://news.bitcoin.com/eric-hughes-a-cypherpunks-manifesto/

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/27/2020 04:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 00:29 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>
>> I don't trust surgeons.
>>
> 
> My dearest love, may you tell me the reasons why you don't you trust
> surgeons, please?

Because, for the most part, what they know is anatomy and surgery, and
so they tend to see surgery as the best option. They're also more full
of themselves than other doctors.

The history of spinal surgery, in particular, is replete with all sorts
of disastrous operations. See
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=malpractice+spinal+surgery=ffnt=web for
examples.

> In this specific moment, your answer will probably be very interesting for
> me.
> 
> Do you appreciate or, at least, trust doctors in general or not?  Some
> specifically medical area?

I generally don't trust doctors. In the US anyway, they're generally
driven too much by greed for money and status. And far too manipulated
by the pharmaceutical and device industries. But there are many who are
truly caring and competent, of course.

> I trust only a few surgeons.  And I would give my life for only one of them
> because he saved me a few months ago.  Not in a surgery, he explained me
> very important subjects about my body, trusting in my capacity of
> processing informations rationally...  wow...  The human body and its
> anatomy are fascinating, an astonishing beauty even when is damaged, hurt
> like mine...

OK, so _he_ sounds like a _good_ surgeon :)

And yes, we are very complicated machines. But fortunately, we're also
amazingly good at self-repairing. Although it can take a _long_ time :(

Be well <3

Re: Enigma code-breaking machine rebuilt at Cambridge

[Mirimir]

On 07/21/2020 12:31 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:



> I do cry all the times when I think about Turing...  It was my way to say I
> still remember his tragic life and suicide, even after breaking codes...
> Governments are killers.

Have you read Rudy Rucker's _Turing and Burroughs_?[0]

Turing survives an assassination attempt by the British government, and
flees to Tangier. He meets Burroughs at a party, and they become lovers.
Turing soon manages to turn them both into giant telepathic slugs, which
can shape-shift back into human form. Then they emigrate to the US, and
visit Burroughs' parents. After a visit to Mexico City, where they
reanimate Joan Vollmer, they infiltrate the Los Alamos test site, and
then things get really exciting.

0) https://libgen.is/fiction/EB3833D6665756D12DBA68F3C7D22C24

Re: Owning your own thoughts

[Mirimir]

On 07/18/2020 04:52 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 17:32 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 15:18 Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>
> 
> 
> 
> "Zenaan Hakness" AND "Zig the N.g" ARE the same nazist...  :P
>>
>> Z.H.  =  Z.t.N.g  =  racist garbage  =  Unnecessary stress.  I prefer to
>> use filters...  :B
>>
> 
> "They are", literally, the same person, J.  :P

Indeed. And for those who haven't spent too much time surfing the
gutters of the Internet, here's a clue to "Zig the N.g":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayniggers_from_Outer_Space. Also see
https://encyclopediadramatica.wiki/index.php/Gayniggers_from_Outer_Space.

> Please, with absolute urgency, ask him in marriage.
> 
> He does NOT like women, so I can not do it for keeping this lovely list a
> happier place, sorry!  :P

;)

> Believe me, it will work.  I was a complete stupid and made this prank with
> grarpamp.  Well, I don't know if you noticed it before, but he is
> disappeared until now...  Hahahahaha!!!  ;D

I have wondered. I figured that he gave up on fostering serious
discussion here. So it goes.

> In Z.H.'s case, you can also say he is pregnant and you are the father.  He
> has no brain and will desperately run away, because he doesn't know how
> these things work, hahahahaha!!!  ;D

Whatever, my dear. Maybe half of his posts amuse me, so hey.

> PS 1:  -  Hospital, @Mirimir...  Strange days and Nights.

I hope (not that it's anything to hope for) that you're visiting
children with COVID-19, and not undergoing some treatment.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/11/2020 07:24 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 19:35 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/11/2020 02:08 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, injuries often suck. But they're also useful feedback. And in a way,
>> who we are is the sum of of our scars.
> 
> 
> Yes, I learned to love all my scars, darling.  All of them have a history,
> and are important part of my past, of my life.  I am still alive, and
> promise I will keep myself alive for complete, being exactly who I am,
> Mirimir.

:)

>> I'm glad that you're feeling optimistic Ceci :)
> 
> When I don't want to die, living is fascinating, my love.  <3

That's how it works for me too.

>> It's bad shit, with lots of nasty side effects. Basically it makes you
>> crazy: tired,
>> confused, aggressive, and suicidal. But don't just stop. That's also
>> very dangerous :(
> 
> 
> Are we talking about Z. H. messages, my love?  Oh, please, stop.  It's
> disgusting.  Several brain damages.

No, I was just offering unsolicited advice :)

> Don't worry, sweetie.  You do need to consider two important facts that I
> will tell you in private.  Believe me, you do absolutely not need to worry
> about my personal security in the moment.  I am pretty healthy, pretty
> sane, and pretty pretty, hahaha!!  ;D
> 
> (I am trying to make you laugh.  Please, smile and/or laugh and relax!)

Thanks :)

> Hey, do you have news about Razer?  I do love him and his bad mood...  And
> my lovely kitten is disappeared too.  I am missing you, grarpamp.  Meow,
> meow...  I confess I love you publicly.  Come back, please.

Nope. Or at least, I'm not sure. I don't have any news from anyone using
that handle. But it's hard to tell who's who sometimes.

>> Yeah, fermentation in sealed containers can be too exciting.
>>
> 
> There are little pieces of glass shining everywhere...  And fermented
> cabbage stinking more than my English, la la la...  ;D

Ouch. Glass splinters are not fun.

>> Medical systems and pharmaceutical firms need better legal oversight,
>> for sure. As you know from experience.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I need to tell you disgusting things in private.  :-/

OK :)

> Oh, my parents do still not know about my next steps because...  well, I do
> love them more than my life, but I do absolutely not need people panicking
> now.  I do need peace and concentration for feeling pain, studying,
> reading, writing, being a ghost writer again for paying accounts,
> whatever...  ;)

Yes, parents must be protected.

> And my mom thinks I can read these Japan's History Books easily because
> they are 'Manga for Kids', available for free until 31, August... They are
> written in Japanese only, Mirimir.  :P
> 
> <https://kids-km3.shogakukan.co.jp>

Cute pictures ;)

> Pretty cute and interesting, but she can't understand I don't have free
> time enough now for a deep learning until the end of August, uff...  First
> of all, I need to learn Japanese again, only after learning more about
> strange surgeries, hahaha!!  ;D

I don't trust surgeons.

> I do love you, Mirimir.  Keep yourself alive, please.  I do need time and
> "painkillers" that kill only the pain, not me, please.  <3

<3

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/11/2020 02:08 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 00:19 \0xDynamite  wrote:
> 
>>  You sound cool.  Your picture doesn't show a disgraceful person
> 
> Oh, sorry, my fault!  Never remember to use filters or photo programs to
> make me look me desperately miserable.  This is the reason I like this
> pic.  It's just me and a Totoro hat.

Yes, it's a sweet photo :)

>> (But some problems are sooo fucking boring...  Me too, I know.  Sorry,
>> bad mood.  Need more sugar.)
>>
>> Now, now, what's your problem with yourself?
>>
> 
> Devastating physical pain and considerable emotional pain too.  It hurts,
> it is frustrating when, after years trying to discover what is happening
> with your body, you finally receive an answer, and do need to fight against
> the State and the private health plan you contracted a decade ago and is f*
> expensive.  Just for economic reference, I could use this money for
> visiting you once a month before all the COVID-19 stuff.

Yeah, injuries often suck. But they're also useful feedback. And in a
way, who we are is the sum of of our scars.

> At least, I do love my lawyer.  When I look to the mirror, she still smiles
> to me, even working for free.  I am an egocentric bastard and I still
> remember how life is sweet when you don't feel any pain.  First, I will get
> the freedom back for me.  After it, without pain, I will try to get the
> same sweet sensation for other people.  Nobody deserves to feel pain and/or
> fear, darling.

I'm glad that you're feeling optimistic Ceci :)

> In the moment, I am not a so good writer like I used to be and it's pretty
> scary for me.  In the last three months, my doctor and I tried several
> medicines for avoiding the extreme levels of pain, but the chemicals make
> my writing so... hmm...  meh!  :-/

I hope that gabapentin isn't one of them. It's often used for
neuropathic pain. But most of the clinical trial data is bullshit.
Pfizer bribed physicians to produce positive results. It's bad shit,
with lots of nasty side effects. Basically it makes you crazy: tired,
confused, aggressive, and suicidal. But don't just stop. That's also
very dangerous :(

> And there are stupid mistakes, specially in French, because I learn a
> language using its sounds first, not its writing...  Or, at least, try to
> do it.  Sorry, my fault, I know I am a disaster with all languages, in
> special German Sauerkraut recipes!  My last try exploded in the kitchen a
> few days ago and my nose is still screaming, full of horror...  :-/
> 
> (Do you remember my past Sauerkraut disasters, Mirimir?  Tor-Talk list
> before being kickbanned, for example, hahahaha!!)

Yeah, fermentation in sealed containers can be too exciting.

> So, I prefer the pain and a, more or less, decent writing in Brazilian
> Portuguese, my native language, even being slower.  My English always
> stinks, with or without pain, so no considerable problem.

Your English is fine :) And it'd be a hassle to read Portuguese.

> I just need time and patience for learning a bit more about Medicine.

Medical systems and pharmaceutical firms need better legal oversight,
for sure. As you know from experience.

> Disinfected tender kisses and hugs.  Take care, dear all!  <3
> 
> Ceci
> 
>> --
> Loving.  Caring.  Sharing.  Being Excellent To Each Other And To Our
> Hackerspace.  <3
> --
> "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
> curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
> you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison
> 

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 07/04/2020 03:29 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:50:10 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I just saw a link to Zeberg and Pääbo (2020) The major genetic risk bla bla 
> 
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
> 
>   oops, government 'science' looks kinda fucked up...  ^-^ 

That's a cheap shot ;)

And yes, there is a "replication crisis", but it's mostly about psychology.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/28/2020 09:17 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:51:07 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:



>> However, it's  likely that some populations are more susceptible than 
>> others, so it's
>> not as extreme as bananas (clones) or even typical agricultural crops.
> 
>   yeah the asians are most susceptible. Oh, wait! That was YET ANOTHER 
> bullshit claim, but it turns out that flu hysteria in places like china, 
> korea or japan was over months ago or has a pretty low number of cases - or 
> both. 

I just saw a link to Zeberg and Pääbo (2020) The major genetic risk
factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neandertals.[0] The
abstract follows:

| A recent genetic association study (Ellinghaus et al. 2020)
| identified a gene cluster on chromosome 3 as a risk locus for
| respiratory failure in SARS-CoV-2. Recent data comprising
| 3,199 hospitalized COVID-19 patients and controls reproduce
| this and find that it is the major genetic risk factor for
| severe SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization (COVID-19
| Host Genetics Initiative). Here, we show that the risk is
| conferred by a genomic segment of ~50 kb that is inherited
| from Neandertals and occurs at a frequency of ~30% in south
| Asia and ~8% in Europe.

Maybe we ought to protect old people, those with serious health
problems, and carriers of this genetic sequence, and let everyone else
get on with their lives.



0) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.03.186296v1.full.pdf

Re: Assange Superseding Indictment

[Mirimir]

On 07/01/2020 02:19 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:05:50 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 06/30/2020 06:34 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 00:52:49 +
> 
>>>
>>> certain kinds of heinous criminals forfeit their rights. Government 
>>> criminals for instance. 
>>
>> Sure, but "criminal" is such an ambivalent term. As they say, it depends
>> on whose ox is getting gored.
> 
>   I can rephrase and avoid moral terms : 
> 
>   if governmetn agents spy, steal, torture, kill and the like they can't 
> then object when they are treated in the same way. 

Exactly :)

>>> take for instance cops and soldiers, who are nothing but govcorp's 
>>> hitmen. Those people can't complain if they are exterminated like they 
>>> deserve to be. 
>>
>> I generally agree, although I'm not so bloodthirsty about it ;)
> 
>   well strictly speaking they should be given the chance to surrender and 
> pay for the damage they caused. And if they don't...

Sure, if "pay" includes death ;)

>> As I see it, privacy rights are inversely proportional to power over
>> others. So even if governments are necessary, which is questionable at
>> best, nothing about them ought to be private. Because openness is a
>> prerequisite for public oversight. And because despotism is totally
>> inevitable without public oversight.
>>
> 
>   Agreed. No privacy for government agents seems fair to me. If they 
> don't like it, they can get a honest job.

Right :)

But "government" is also ambiguous. I mean, I live on an old farm with
several hundred others, with sociocratic governance.

Re: Assange Superseding Indictment

[Mirimir]

On 06/30/2020 06:34 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 00:52:49 +
> таракан  wrote:
> 
>> Assange is probably the most interesting subject in terms of Cypherpunk 
>> movement.
>>
>> The paradox of Assange. While Cypherpunks are advocating privacy for the 
>> "ordinary people" (e.g. the John Does), Assange denied the right to
>> Governments to have as well privacy. This may look as a joke that 
>> governments should have as well privacy 
> 
> 
> 
>   certain kinds of heinous criminals forfeit their rights. Government 
> criminals for instance. 

Sure, but "criminal" is such an ambivalent term. As they say, it depends
on whose ox is getting gored.

>> and not been open (and 'opened') but when you think about it,
>> there is that sentence from Nietzsche that says 'Wenn dulange in einen 
>> Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein' , in other terms if 
>> you fight monsters, do not become one yourself and if you look deep into the 
>> abyss, the abyss also looks deep into you.
>>
>> That say making lessons to the one who is rotting in jail is a bit too 
>> comfortable.
> 
> 
>   take for instance cops and soldiers, who are nothing but govcorp's 
> hitmen. Those people can't complain if they are exterminated like they 
> deserve to be. 

I generally agree, although I'm not so bloodthirsty about it ;)

As I see it, privacy rights are inversely proportional to power over
others. So even if governments are necessary, which is questionable at
best, nothing about them ought to be private. Because openness is a
prerequisite for public oversight. And because despotism is totally
inevitable without public oversight.

Re: Any Cypherpunk there ?

[Mirimir]

On 06/30/2020 11:57 AM, Karl wrote:



> Would you rather focus on tearing down the governments, healing them, or
> building something to replace them?

If you replace well enough, they'll fall apart.



> I'm in the USA and somebody mentioned CHAZ earlier, an autonomous secession
> zone that sprouted here, which is inspiring. ...



> Any thoughts?

Blast from the past:
https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/secondrealm/secondrealm.html

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/29/2020 09:45 AM, Karl wrote:



> Punk-Stasi, I think I see you agreeing with Mirimir on some points in this
> thread.

Agreeing or disagreeing with Punk-Stasi are ~equally pointless. Because
whatever you agree with, he'll pretend that he was being ironic, and
criticize you for agreeing with him.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/28/2020 09:17 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:51:07 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:



>   Anything can be argued on this list =)

Fair enough. The truth is that I'm reminded yet again how frustrating it
is to argue with you ;)

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/28/2020 01:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 23:31:32 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Well, it's a different type of virus. And it may well be one where
>> immunity after infection and recovery doesn't last very long, and where
>> vaccines won't work. 
> 
>   That's just...fear mongering propaganda =) - X 'may' be Y...Pigs 'may' 
> fly if you throw them off a rooftop, etc. 

There's ~zero doubt that pigs can't fly. But the length of immunity
after recovery from COVID-19 is clearly an open question. If for no
other reason than having just several months of data. And we won't
likely have a useful answer until 2022.

>> If that's the case, it could be a fuckload worse
>> than another kind of flu. But ask me again next year this time.
> 
>   Next year two things may happen. Either the flu will be again 
> misrepresented as some horrible pest that 'could' exterminate the human 
> race...or it won't, and the flu PSYOP will be replaced by some New And 
> Improved PSYOP.

It's not a type of influenza. The common cold is generally caused
coronaviruses and rhinoviruses. So if anything, COVID-19 is basically a
bad cold ;)

>>> And even if that were the case, it's just how the natural world works. 
>>> There are ups and downs. 
>>
>> I do agree with that. And one aspect of "how the natural world works" is
>> that monocultures are vulnerable to decimation by pathogens. So COVID-19
>> is just a natural response to human overpopulation. 
> 
>   That's assuming that humans are a monoculture which I don't think they 
> are, 

>From the perspective of a virus, they pretty much are. However, it's
likely that some populations are more susceptible than others, so it's
not as extreme as bananas (clones) or even typical agricultural crops.

> although no doubt govcorp is working hard on making everbody a mass produced 
> robot. 

Yeah, no doubt.

>   But again you're assuming that the flu is some kind of terrible pest 
> although the plain facts show that's not the case. As to overpopulation, 
> that's more a matter of opinion than fact. I  don't mean to defend the 
> current consumerist 'culture' but I don't think it's necessarily close to 
> breaking point yet (sadly).

Again, it's not influenza. And about overpopulation, many do think that
we're close to the breaking point. But whatever, it's pointless to argue
about it on this list.


>> And there's no
>> reason to think that there won't be more. The rate of zoonotic disease
>> outbreaks has increased about five fold in recent decades.
> 
>   ...yeah the subhuman chinese eat raw bats =)

Indeed, that's one aspect. SARS and COVID-19 came from Chinese eating
bats. Ebola came from Africans eating bushmeat: bats (ebola) and
nonhuman primates (HIV). MERS came from camels in Saudi Arabia, and
perhaps originally from bats. So yeah, gotta watch out for bats.

>>> exactly like the always since there living things appeared on earth. 
>>> Old and sick people die. Of anything. See how fucking insane - and 
>>> ridiculous the charade is?
>>
>> Well, being so old, I'd rather not be surrounded by people infected with
>> COVID-19. And fortunately, I live in an area with very few of them.
> 
> 
>   You can isolate yourself however you see fit. But voluntary quarantine 
> is obviously NOT what this is about. 

I also isolate myself from the cesspool of popular culture :)

>>> The obvious objective of the charade is to thighten controls 
>>> over...everything. 
>>
>> It does seem that way, doesn't it? Opportunism seems more likely than
>> conspiracy, but you could be right.
> 
> 
>   Most of the conspiracy I see here is that it's possible for govcorp to 
> tell a blatant lie and the serfs just go along with it. 

Yes, sadly enough.

>   Technofascism and 'science' worship come into play because the typical 
> product of public 'education' who believes in the 'progress' of technology 
> also believes whatever the 'scientists' say. So it's quite easy for govcorp 
> to pretend that some strain of the flu is the New Biological Apocalypsis. And 
> yet...

I am a hardcore materialist, and I do consider the scientific method to
be the best approach for understanding stuff. I'd rather be a god than
worship one (or a goddess). So variation and selection are my deities.

>   "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_error
>   Globally, it is estimated that 142,000 people died in 2013 from adverse 
> effects of medical treatment; this is an increase from 94,000 in 1990.[1] 
> However, a 2016 study of the number of deaths that were a result of medical 
> error in the U.S. placed the yearly death rate in the U.S. alone at 251,454 
> deaths, which suggests that the 2013 global estimation may not be accurate."

That's for sure a serious issue. But that's about physicians, and they
are not at all scientists. They're more like witch doctors.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 11:08 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:27:55 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>> I guess you didn't even bother looking at the age of the people 
>>> allegedly killed by the 'virus'?  So, do your homework, read wikimierda. 
>>
>> Sure, COVID-19 is mainly killing older people. Looking at various online
>> sources, almost half of fatalities were over 75.
> 
> 
>   roughly half of the fatalities are people over the 'average life 
> expectancy'. They are already dead, statistically speaking. 
> 
>> About 25% were 65-74,
>> and about 22% were 45-64. Only about 5% were under 45. And yes, for all
>> age groups, most of the fatalities had underlying health conditions.
> 
>   so the current PSYOP is just the flu rebranded. And not even the flu as 
> the direct cause but just a factor. 

Well, it's a different type of virus. And it may well be one where
immunity after infection and recovery doesn't last very long, and where
vaccines won't work. If that's the case, it could be a fuckload worse
than another kind of flu. But ask me again next year this time.

>   "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
> Influenza spreads around the world in yearly outbreaks, resulting in about 
> three to five million cases of severe illness and about 290,000 to 650,000 
> deaths" 

It's too early to compare.

>> But most of those people arguably died sooner that they would have, but
>> for COVID-19. Maybe not a lot sooner, I admit. But in the most heavily
>> affected areas, total death rates _did_ increase.
> 
>   compared to what?

Compared to historical averages.

> And even if that were the case, it's just how the natural world works. There 
> are ups and downs. 

I do agree with that. And one aspect of "how the natural world works" is
that monocultures are vulnerable to decimation by pathogens. So COVID-19
is just a natural response to human overpopulation. And there's no
reason to think that there won't be more. The rate of zoonotic disease
outbreaks has increased about five fold in recent decades.

>> Anyway, I do get the argument that it would have made more sense,
>> overall, to just let everyone get infected, 
> 
>   that's not my point. My point is that this is a ridiculous charade. 

I do tend to agree with that.

>> and let all the old and
>> infirm just die. 
> 
>   exactly like the always since there living things appeared on earth. 
> Old and sick people die. Of anything. See how fucking insane - and ridiculous 
> the charade is?

Well, being so old, I'd rather not be surrounded by people infected with
COVID-19. And fortunately, I live in an area with very few of them.

>   the 'humanitarian' retards supposedly want to stop death - though of 
> course only death caused by their imaginary threat. Nobody is talking about, 
> say, banning cars, which certainly would save a lot of lifes and limbs. Or 
> banning war? War is peace!

Truth.

>> That would arguably have avoided the huge economic
>> shitstorm that we'll be facing for the rest of the decade.
> 
>>
>> And damn, if you welcome the shitstorm, why complain so loudly about the
>> proximate cause? Isn't it all for the lulz?
>   
>   well, one of the good consequences is that children weren't mind raped 
> in schools for a few months. As to the a possible economic shitstorm, I don't 
> think it will happen. 

Time will tell.

>   The obvious objective of the charade is to thighten controls 
> over...everything. 

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Opportunism seems more likely than
conspiracy, but you could be right.

>   Hey, didn't you see the Emperor of the Cyphperpunks, Sir Jim Bell 
> advocating for more fascist surveillance? 

No comment.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 09:38 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:41:45 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 06/27/2020 07:34 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:00:19 -0700
>>> Mirimir  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/27/2020 04:29 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>>>> Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/
>>>>>
>>>>> <
>>>>> https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
>>>>> (>_<)*
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it's been a fucking horrible year, so far :(
>>>
>>> 'covid' doesn't exist, and 5G is a dream only for the technofascist 
>>> 'elites'. 
>>
>> OK, so what do you say is killing all those people?
> 
> 
>   I guess you didn't even bother looking at the age of the people 
> allegedly killed by the 'virus'?  So, do your homework, read wikimierda. 

Sure, COVID-19 is mainly killing older people. Looking at various online
sources, almost half of fatalities were over 75. About 25% were 65-74,
and about 22% were 45-64. Only about 5% were under 45. And yes, for all
age groups, most of the fatalities had underlying health conditions.

But most of those people arguably died sooner that they would have, but
for COVID-19. Maybe not a lot sooner, I admit. But in the most heavily
affected areas, total death rates _did_ increase.

Anyway, I do get the argument that it would have made more sense,
overall, to just let everyone get infected, and let all the old and
infirm just die. That would arguably have avoided the huge economic
shitstorm that we'll be facing for the rest of the decade.

And damn, if you welcome the shitstorm, why complain so loudly about the
proximate cause? Isn't it all for the lulz?

>>> and that would be so incredibly amazing. Side note, the correct 
>>> spelling is CESSPOOL, not 'civilization'. 
>>
>> Yeah, I'd like to see that, in maybe 10-15 years. Because I'd be almost
>> dead then, and the "I told you so" rush would be sweet. But it would
>> suck if it happens before I'm ready to die.
> 
> 
>   haha...
> 
> 

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 07:34 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:00:19 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 06/27/2020 04:29 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>> Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/
>>>
>>> <
>>> https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06
>>>>
>>>
>>> COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
>>> (>_<)*
>>
>> Yeah, it's been a fucking horrible year, so far :(
> 
>   'covid' doesn't exist, and 5G is a dream only for the technofascist 
> 'elites'. 

OK, so what do you say is killing all those people?

And are you literally claiming that the virus doesn't exist, and that
there's a global conspiracy behind it all?

>> And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
>> meltdown. 
> 
>   that would be great 

I don't know that I'd go that far. I do see the ecological benefit, of
course. And my Bitcoin and precious metals (physical) would be worth
more, relative to stuff. But then, maybe there'd be food shortages, no
electricity, and so on. Which would suck.

>> And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
>> civilization. 
>   
>   and that would be so incredibly amazing. Side note, the correct 
> spelling is CESSPOOL, not 'civilization'. 

Yeah, I'd like to see that, in maybe 10-15 years. Because I'd be almost
dead then, and the "I told you so" rush would be sweet. But it would
suck if it happens before I'm ready to die.

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 05:41 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote:
> See below.
> 
> On 2020-06-28 00:00, Mirimir wrote:
>> And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
>> meltdown. And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
>> civilization. AKA the Jackpot. Or at least, over the inflection point.
> 
> The term "the Jackpot" of course comes from William Gibson's 2014
> science fiction novel The Peripheral.

Yeah, I should have mentioned that. But hey, every cpunk knows that, no?

> There's nowadays a subreddit r/collapse where redditors discuss, well,
> "the collapse", that being their term.
> 
> I've been wondering for a while - what other terms, from science fiction
> or Internet subcultures or elsewhere - are there for this current thing
> humanity is experiencing? Besides "the Jackpot" and "the collapse", can
> anyone list any additional widely or significantly used ones?

Some sort of collapse is a standard start for dystopian fiction. Decades
ago, it was typically global nuclear war. However, I do recall some SF
where it was toxic chemical pollution. Now it's often global climate
change. That's a huge piece of Gibson 's Jackpot. Along with pandemics
:\ It's also a key aspect of the back story in Watts' _Blindsight_ and
_Echopraxia_. But I don't recall that Watts has a name for it.

> (Not to mention, just, an anthropogenic mass extinction event. Cue
> reactionaries on this list freaking out because they are primed to
> protect dolla dolla bill from evidence of global warming etc.)

Well, the US dollar may soon be toast. Maybe down 20%-30% by 2021, and
might be replaced by a gold-backed greenback within a few years (if the
US can find enough gold, anyway). And/or cryptocurrencies ;)

> Doug
> 

Re: [OT, but curious] bye bye, 5G...

[Mirimir]

On 06/27/2020 04:29 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> Curious and strangely uncomfortable...  :-/
> 
> <
> https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-teases-forthcoming-dss-launch-for-nationwide-5g/2020/06
>>
> 
> COVID killing people, 5G, and other dreams since...  this f* year, ouch!
> (>_<)*

Yeah, it's been a fucking horrible year, so far :(

And the rest of the year could well be worse. As in global financial
meltdown. And the rest of the decade could bring the end of our entire
civilization. AKA the Jackpot. Or at least, over the inflection point.

But hey, maybe I'll be dead (not just inside) so I won't care ;)

Re: Any Cypherpunk there ?

[Mirimir]

On 06/26/2020 10:05 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 23:54:01 +
> таракан  wrote:
> 
>> Well I guess Cypherpunks aren't necessarily trying to destroy governments, 
>> there are plenty of organizations doing that very well... especially their 
>> own secret services.
>>
>> My understanding of Cypherpunks is - as per their Manifesto - that they are 
>> trying to build privacy in a world where privacy is becoming a crime.
> 
> 
>   https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html
> 
>   
> ..
>   Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,  
>   tc...@netcom.com   | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
>   408-688-5409   | knowledge, reputations, information markets, 
>   W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA  | black markets, collapse of governments.
>   Higher Power: 2^756839 | PGP Public Key: by arrangement.

Yeah, that's a decent list. As I've understood it, however, "collapse of
governments" is the expected result, once the rest are effectively in
place. Eliminating a particular government through armed struggle has
typically led either to another government, or to a failed state. But if
you create the basis of functional anarchy, government is superfluous.

Re: Any Cypherpunk there ?

[Mirimir]

On 06/26/2020 06:31 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 21:28 Shawn K. Quinn  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Fucking love you, Shawn.  F words for you, hahahaha!!!  <3
> 
> But, sorry, moderation in our specific case would be censorship...  Who, in
> this world or in all the other ones, would accept a message of mine, for
> example?  I was and I am a moderator in a few other lists, so I do not
> trust the other moderators for good personal reasons.  I can be useful, but
> not 100% fair without all the informations behind a single message.

Yes, that's exactly it.

> It can be bullshit, but it can be someone sincerely asking for help.  And
> not all the moderators are good persons.  Do you understand my sad point of
> view?  :-/

I do, anyway. And I gotta say, I'm happy to see _you_ posting again.
I've been very worried about you.

Re: Any Cypherpunk there ?

[Mirimir]

On 06/26/2020 04:54 PM, таракан wrote:



> My understanding of Cypherpunks is - as per their Manifesto - that they are 
> trying to build privacy in a world where privacy is becoming a crime.
> 
> I thought recently that the biggest 'weapon' against a fascism regime would 
> be to create the inability for that fascist regime to track, locate, monitor 
> and spy someone.

That's pretty much what I'm still up to.

Regarding all the crap, cypherpunks lists had just as much back in the
90s. And crap -- however that shows up for you -- is pretty much
unavoidable, for any list, site or system that doesn't censor. Consider
Freenet, for example. Or Tor onion sites.

The point is that you can filter the list however you like. Or subscribe
to a version of the list that's been filtered for you. Back in the 90s,
I subscribed to fcpunx back then, to avoid the worst of it. Someone
could do something similar now, but the volume is so low that it'd
hardly be worth it. Just filter in your mail client.

Re: ping

[Mirimir]

On 06/19/2020 12:46 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> Do you read me?
> 
> What a debugging drama, anyone has a conspiracy theory ;) ?

I got this directly from Gmail, and did not get a copy via the
cypherpunks list.

Re: [tor] Re: torservers.net future

[Mirimir]

On 06/18/2020 04:31 PM, coderman wrote:



> it's all about attack surface (to a lesser degree, hardening).
> 
> when FaceBook bought 0day dev against their own user, the weak link was a 
> video player - not Tor Browser, not tor, nor Tails model, but a video 
> implementation inside the security boundary of your nymity protections.
> 
> C.f.: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/06/facebook_helped.html

>From that link:

> They also paid a third party contractor "six figures" to help develop
> a zero-day exploit in Tails: a bug in its video player that enabled
> them to retrieve the real I.P. address of a person viewing a clip.

That means that it was Tails that failed. Because some process other
than Tor was able to reach the Internet. That should have been prevented
using iptables.



> P.S. a deeper defensive posture, for example Qubes OS, would have rendered 
> the video player exploit useless, as that constrained App VM would not have 
> network egress. of course, add more money for VM escapes, etc. :P
> 
> 
> and so it goes, ever onward...

Even using Whonix would have rendered the video player exploit useless.
Because there is no path to the Internet, with forwarding disabled in
the gateway VM, and just Tor SocksPorts exposed to the workstation VM.

Re: ping

[Mirimir]

On 06/18/2020 02:29 PM, Se7en wrote:
> On 20-06-18 14:23:02, Mirimir wrote:
>> Thanks. I wasn't paying attention, but I did notice the warning about my
>> list membership being disabled:
>>
>>> Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due
>>> to excessive bounces
>>
>> I'm not sure whether that was a cypherpunks server issue, or a Riseup
>> issue, which was perhaps triggered by a cypherpunks server issue.
> 
> The list admin published a few days ago that the list was experiencing
> trouble and has been rectified. You must not have recieved that
> message. Check the public archive. 

Looking in the public archive, the first hint of a problem was Georgi
Guninski's "pong" and Greg Newby's reply at Jun 15 05:25:59 PDT 2020:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081025.html
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081026.html

Then there's the message from Greg at Jun 16 19:39:50 PDT 2020, saying
that the "the list was bouncing all day today (after around 9am US
Eastern Daylight Time)" and that "[t]hings now seem to be fixed":

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081030.html

But GTI.H and Georgi Guninski both reported on Jun 17 that they still
weren't getting list messages to Gmail accounts:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081042.html
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081043.html

I got the last message before today at Jun 14 14:38:29 PDT 2020:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081016.html

I got the membership disabled message at 18 Jun 2020 00:15:00 -0700, and
it said:

> Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due
to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
18-Jun-2020.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 2 more reminders like
this before your membership in the list is deleted.

That is, messages to me were bouncing from late Jun 14 through Jun 17.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. I'm just curious whether bouncing started
earlier, perhaps on Jun 14, and why Google and Riseup kept bouncing
messages after Greg fixed the cypherpunks server.

Re: ping

[Mirimir]

On 06/18/2020 01:04 PM, Sangy wrote:
> Yes
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:55:21PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
>> Is this thing on?

Thanks. I wasn't paying attention, but I did notice the warning about my
list membership being disabled:

> Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due
to excessive bounces

I'm not sure whether that was a cypherpunks server issue, or a Riseup
issue, which was perhaps triggered by a cypherpunks server issue.

A postmortem would be cool.

ping

[Mirimir]

Is this thing on?

Re: Write Ross Ulbricht

[Mirimir]

On 05/16/2020 03:19 AM, Karl wrote:
> To clarify for people new like me, Ross Ulbricht is serving life in prison
> for making an anonymous marketplace.  Not his clients for selling illegal
> things.  Him for running it with anonymous clients.

As I understand it, they charged him with facilitating illegal drug
sales. Plus basically with all of the hypothetical negative consequences
that said sales could have produced. Sort of like the drug dealing
equivalent of reckless driving.

They also charged him with some murder for hire bullshit, based on
entrapment by an undercover cop. But he wasn't convicted on that.

> Prison is horrible and destroys your sanity and health.  It can be constant
> trauma.  Having words from the outside can be hope.

I'm sure that it is, and that support from others helps. In person, by
phone, by mail, ...

> https://www.emailaprisoner.com/

I suppose. I mean, everything is monitored and censored. But if it
works, why not?

> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 4:59 PM grarpamp  wrote:
> 
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/85y9im/ross_ulbricht_turns_34_on_march_27_its_his_fifth/
>>
> 

Re: Did Appelbaum Meet Snowden in Hawaii Before Leak?

[Mirimir]

On 04/19/2020 11:11 PM, Lennie B wrote:
>> This book does not appear to have been liberated yet... Astro Noise: A 
>> Survival Guide - for Living Under Total Surveillance
> 
> I was able to obtain a copy of Astro Noise in pdf format by using sci-hub 
> with astro noise’s doi:10.1086/694142 recently if anyone wanting to read it 
> as well.
> Harcourt, B. E. (2017). Laura Poitras. Astro Noise: A Survival Guide for 
> Living under Total Surveillance. New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 
> 2016. 256 pp. Critical Inquiry, 44(1), 188–195.doi:10.1086/694142
> url to share this paper:
> sci-hub.se/10.1086/694142

Huh? This is a review of the book. And not the book itself.

Re: About Love... <3

[Mirimir]

On 04/01/2020 10:00 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 22:24 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>
>> "When you wake up in Hell, I'll already be killing you again!"
>>
>> [from Matthew Stover's _Caine Black Knife_]
>>
> 
> Thank you for your sweet and kind words of encouragement, my love.  (-_-)*
> ouch!

Well, it's complicated. He was saying that to a priestess who had
crucified and tortured him for several days, as a sacrifice to her
goddess, just before said goddess decided that he was a better dark
angel for her.

> Uff, when I die and wake up in Hell, unfortunately will find a lot of
> people that I don't want to see again.

Yeah, same here, I guess ;)

Re: About Love... <3

[Mirimir]

On 04/01/2020 01:19 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:



> What should I answer to a nice guy who said he will kill himself if I die?
> For Darwin's sake, already have enough bad karma to my all eventual next
> lives!  :-/

"When you wake up in Hell, I'll already be killing you again!"

[from Matthew Stover's _Caine Black Knife_]

Re: It's an Ill Wind

[Mirimir]

On 03/14/2020 03:14 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>>> Corona is a Biblical event.
>>
>> YESSS
>>
>> That's the perfect conclusion for this fine mailing list, whose 
>> content is mostly :
> 
> Did you have an explanation for the failure of the whole world,
> including yourself, in making it better with all of your freedom?

There's no "failure", unless you're expecting something different.

Which, at this point, is arguably unrealistic.

> I think not.
> 
> One of us is trying.

For sure.

Re: test message

[Mirimir]

On 03/10/2020 12:59 AM, Se7en wrote:
> This is a test message. A user from this list emailed me to ask if our
> mutual email provider has been banned or if he is individually
> banned. If it goes through, it's his.

It's his.

So I didn't know that this list bans people.

Re: Poll [was Re: The Z.g ...]

[Mirimir]

On 02/16/2020 09:14 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:38:29 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 02/15/2020 06:14 PM, Z.g the N.g wrote:
>>
>> [more of the same, albeit moderately funny]
>>
>> So hey, let's have a pol about Z.g's mindset.
>>
> 
>   his spam makes little sense unless one assumes he gets paid for linking 
> zerohedge, dailystormer and a couple of russian sites. 

I guess that'd be another answer. So be it.

But he's not the only one who posts lots of links.

It's just that his links are rarely topical for the list.

Poll [was Re: The Z.g ...]

[Mirimir]

On 02/15/2020 06:14 PM, Z.g the N.g wrote:

[more of the same, albeit moderately funny]

So hey, let's have a pol about Z.g's mindset.

Please choose one of four answers:

0) He's a sincerely racist, sexist Nazi.
1) He's an outrage troll posing as that.
2) Being "1" is impossible without being "0".
3) He's just edgy and occasionally funny.

Thanks for playing :)

Extra credit: Answer the same about me, or whomever.

Re: Tor Speculated Broken by FBI Etc - Freedom Hosting, MITTechReview

[Mirimir]

On 02/09/2020 05:23 PM, grarpamp wrote:



> Question how exactly the servers are being physically found in
> the *first place*. Look for cases where the servers were mysteriously
> just "found", with rest of timeline unfolding after that secret or
> questionable moment. Tor and other networks are sold as being
> able to protect from such network "finds".

I just saw a HN thread that proposes a ~simple answer.[0]

It could just be one of the standard malicious guard attacks. The risk
isn't huge for a single onion service. But if you have hundreds of onion
services on one server, each with its own guards, the odds of just one
onion service getting pwned by a malicious guard are correspondingly
greater. And one malicious guard is enough to pwn the server.



0) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22292161

Re: My blog post re: letters supporting Reality Winner's clemency petition

[Mirimir]

On 01/14/2020 12:24 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:12:54 -0500
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
>> Like all the other leakers, journos, activists
>> up against ridiculous gov and evil corp, she
>> should never have been arrested/prosecuted
>> in the first place. Thx for your work.
> 
>   and here we have 'grarpamp' defending a mass murdering animal.
> 
>   it takes infinite retardation to regard the US military winner cunt as 
> being 'against gov and evil corp'

People do change.

Leaking didn't absolve her guilt for all the assisted kills.

But at least she decided to stop.

It's a lot like Snowden. He was quite the jerk in his early 20s.

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Mirimir]

On 01/07/2020 12:58 PM, jim bell wrote:
>  Does it contain messages that the Venona files almost completely lack?1995 
> messages that:
> 1.   Lack 'jim bell'2.   Lack 'jimb...@pacifier.com'3.   Lack 'assassination 
> politics'4.   Lack ' ap ' except in contexts other than 'assassination 
> politics', such as Associated Press or 'killer ap '5.   Lack references to 
> 'bell', as in 'that damn bell', or 'that idiot bell'. 
>             Jim Bell

OK, I'll see what I can find.

I vaguely remember retaining that stuff, over the years. But I also did
a major "burn anything iffy" maybe a decade ago. So ???

I'm a little surprised than nobody else has apparently retained it.

> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 07:23:19 AM PST, Mirimir 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  On 01/07/2020 02:55 AM, John Young wrote:
> 
> [tl;dr - You can't trust anyone involved.]
> 
> Makes sense to me.
> 
> I may well have what was called FCPUNKS from the mid 90s through maybe
> 2001 or 2002. However, sharing it would be too risky, unless I redacted
> or randomized all headers. Which would make it kinda useless, no?
> 
> Maybe I'll do it, as a public service, just before dying.
> 
> So hey, I'll dig through some old backups.
> 
> 
>   
> 

Re: The Hofeller Files - Dumped

[Mirimir]

On 01/07/2020 03:25 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> http://www.thehofellerfiles.com/
> 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Pw3lc2QPJ-eEeHszCdcfjbe3uZC1DbKz
> 
> Get it while it's hot.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3D8FF2A3B20CEF8C3EA966F0657F1E4235141090

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Mirimir]

On 01/07/2020 02:55 AM, John Young wrote:

[tl;dr - You can't trust anyone involved.]

Makes sense to me.

I may well have what was called FCPUNKS from the mid 90s through maybe
2001 or 2002. However, sharing it would be too risky, unless I redacted
or randomized all headers. Which would make it kinda useless, no?

Maybe I'll do it, as a public service, just before dying.

So hey, I'll dig through some old backups.

Re: There is No Point to Beautiful Women

[Mirimir]

On 01/05/2020 09:49 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 13:03 Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> But I do know that human beauty is fundamentally just something that's
>> been selected for.
> 
> 
> Mirimir, my love, at least for me, you are the most beautiful person here
> in the whole list.  You are my best "imaginary" friend and I would die for
> you.  The world needs of love and more people like you, not like me.

That's very sweet, Ceci :) I'm not sure that I'm worthy. But hey :)

I don't think that we're all that different. In another 10-20 years,
you'll be as realistic as I am. You just gotta survive long enough.

Re: There is No Point to Beautiful Women

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2020 11:43 PM, Zigga da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:



I didn't bother to watch the video.

But I do know that human beauty is fundamentally just something that's
been selected for. Like colorful feathers of birds. Or all sorts of
secondary sexual features of various animals.

Re: Oddly silent

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2020 10:20 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 21:51:45 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/04/2020 09:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700
>>> Mirimir  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>> I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation
>>>>> committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
>>>>
>>>> That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
>>
>> 
>>
>>> likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade 
>>> center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US 
>>> govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 
>>> false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight. 
>>> 
>>> you're welcome =)
>>
>> The false flag explanation is way too contrived and implausible.
>>
>> For one thing, there's just too much evidence that implicates al-Qaeda.
> 
> 
>   if by evidence you mean more pentagon propaganda then yes, I agree =) 

That's possible, I agree. I just don't think that it's as likely.

>> And yes, I know that al-Qaeda started out as a CIA operation. But it
>> seems more likely that they went rogue. Although it is possible that the
>> CIA did 9/11, as part of some bizarre power struggle -- or yes, a false
>> flag. But more likely the Sauds or close friends were behind it, and
>> just not funding it as part of their fundamentalist education network.
> 
> 
>   but aren't the saudis allegedly close to the US government? (meaning, 
> it's even less plausible that the US govt didn't know what their accomplices 
> were planning)

Saudi Arabia and Israel are the major US assets in the Middle East. But
I think that it's misleading to call them "close". They've both had the
US by the balls since WWII at least. The Saudis because oil, and the
Israelis because so many politically active and wealthy Jews in the US.

So it's a cluster fuck, with everyone playing everyone else. And it's
suspicious that Israel is "closer" to Saudi Arabia than to any other
country in the area. But I have no clue what that's about.

Also, none of these countries are monolithic. And it's possible that
some factions from all three allied to do 9/11 as a pretext for more
fuckery in the Middle East. Given that the Soviet Union had collapsed,
and Russia was in chaos, and they needed major enemies to justify their
funding and influence.

>> I saw it as well deserved payback for at least a century of fucking with
>> other countries. While playing a world cop in a white hat. And I was
>> like "Hey, suck it up! You just lost a few damn  buildings that hardly
>> anyone ever really liked.
>   
>   A century of fucking with other countries. Plus the previous century of 
> slavery and fuckign with other countries and invading what today passes as 
> the 'US', etc. As far as payback goes it was well deserved but the amount was 
> ridiculously small. So the amount of damage doesn't really count as payback 
> but on the other hand it was the perfect excuse for the current US global 
> surveillance state...

Yeah, centuries of fucking. "US out of North America now!" and all that.

And yeah, it was a perfect excuse for the US to reassert world
dominance. However, doing an outright false flag is simplistic and
crude, and risky if it comes out. It's much better to manipulate your
enemies to do stuff that provides the excuse. An "indirect false flag".

I mean, it's arguable that the US manipulated Japan into attacking Pearl
Harbor. Or earlier, manipulated Germany into sinking US shipping in WWI,
which provided the pretext to join the war. It's all about building
public support for a war. Selling it as defense, not aggression.

>> I mean, the US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on
>> heavily populated areas. And with the USSR, threatened the world with
>> nuclear holocaust for several decades. Not to mention displacing Great
>> Britain in the Middle East after WWII, and totally fucking shit up.
>>
>> And yes, I agree with Razer that the Bush administration screwed the
>> pooch. By ignoring evidence that the attacks were immanent.
> 
>   
>   half by chance I found this
> 
>   
> https://www.inquirer.com/business/money-laundering-cocaine-marijuana-paraguay-newark-cynthia-tarrago-diaz-raimundo-va-fbu-20191122.html
>   
>   'Tarragó and Va agreed to accept at least $2 million from undercover 
> agents who purported to be narcoti

Re: Oddly silent

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2020 09:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>> I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation
>>> committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
>>
>> That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.



>   likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade 
> center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US 
> govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 
> false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight. 
>   
>   you're welcome =)

The false flag explanation is way too contrived and implausible.

For one thing, there's just too much evidence that implicates al-Qaeda.

And yes, I know that al-Qaeda started out as a CIA operation. But it
seems more likely that they went rogue. Although it is possible that the
CIA did 9/11, as part of some bizarre power struggle -- or yes, a false
flag. But more likely the Sauds or close friends were behind it, and
just not funding it as part of their fundamentalist education network.

I saw it as well deserved payback for at least a century of fucking with
other countries. While playing a world cop in a white hat. And I was
like "Hey, suck it up! You just lost a few damn  buildings that hardly
anyone ever really liked.

I mean, the US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on
heavily populated areas. And with the USSR, threatened the world with
nuclear holocaust for several decades. Not to mention displacing Great
Britain in the Middle East after WWII, and totally fucking shit up.

And yes, I agree with Razer that the Bush administration screwed the
pooch. By ignoring evidence that the attacks were immanent.

Re: Oddly silent

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:



> I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation
> committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.

That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2020 03:03 PM, John Young wrote:
> X-Sender: tc...@mail.got.net
> Message-Id: 
> In-Reply-To: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> References: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:59:33 -0800
> To: John Young , cypherpu...@cyberpass.net
> From: Tim May 
> Subject: Re: Bell Case Subpoena
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> 
> At 5:09 PM -0500 1/8/01, John Young wrote:
>>Today at 4:30 PM two Treasury agents, Tom Jack and Matthew
>>Mc Whirr, served me a Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury,
>>in US District Court of Western Washington, Seattle, WA, on
>>January 25, 2001, 9:00 AM. Robb London, AUSA, is the
>>applicant.
>>
>>The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
>>disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
>>disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
>>...
>>   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
>>   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
>>   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
>>   stored or computer records, which:
>>
>> 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
>> Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
> 
> 
> By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> e-mail he copied the list on.
> 
> 
> (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> to CD-Rs.)
> 
> 
> --Tim May

I thought that was obvious.

And I remember seeing new of it on the list.

But I don't have any backups that old. Every few years, I burn anything
that's not related to what I'm doing currently. Literally.

Re: Oddly silent

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2020 12:05 PM, John Young wrote:



> Trump brags about never listening to experts, got a bit of swag from Al
> Baghdadi whack. Appears to be on ego enhancing pharmas and panderers. So
> was JFK.

Interesting parallel there. JFK was on some mix of opiates, barbituates
and amphetamines. Dog knows what Trump is on.

Also, both JFK and Trump came from wealth. Indeed, JFK came from
~criminal wealth. And he was quite the sex freak, maybe more than Trump.
I'm guessing that neither were above fucking the occasional tween.

However, JFK didn't run his moth off like Trump does. And he at least
pretended to be respectable.

Re: America is a nation of immigrants

[Mirimir]

On 01/03/2020 09:13 AM, Razer wrote:
> You're walking on Native land shit-for-brains.

That's true enough. In the US, most of them died, long ago. But in
Mexico and some parts of Central and South America, they're still
around. I've visited many places in the mountains of Mexico where many
speak little Spanish. Including Huautla de Jiménez ;)

However, it's also true that multiple groups arrived from Asia in
multiple waves, over perhaps 40 kyr or more. And there are some examples
where later arrivals killed or displaced earlier ones.

Which is pretty much what's happened everywhere, for millions of years.

Still, the Native Americans are very unusual. In that there were more or
less stable cultures throughout the Americas for maybe 10-20 kyr. Until
the fucking Europeans arrived, anyway. _1491_ and _1492_ are sobering.

Re: 'Shattered': Inside the secret battle to save America's undercover spies in the digital age

[Mirimir]

On 12/31/2019 04:42 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:12:36 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/31/2019 02:15 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:02:05 -0500
>>> John Young  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't this report an obvious deception operation? Adjunct to 
>>>> Snowden's dump among others.
>>>
>>> well, it tells you how total global surveillance works against the 
>>> masses. Of course it doesn't tell you how govcorp mafias deal with their 
>>> own system. 
>>>
>>> Also, given total surveillance, the claim that human shit spies are 
>>> obsolete isn't too far fetched...
>>
>> I find it vastly amusing.
> 
> 
>   you think james bond isn't retiring yet, or? 

Well, if James Bond actually did have multiple bodies, maybe not.

I wouldn't mind a body transplant, now that I think of it.

Re: 'Shattered': Inside the secret battle to save America's undercover spies in the digital age

[Mirimir]

On 12/31/2019 02:15 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:02:05 -0500
> John Young  wrote:
> 
>> Isn't this report an obvious deception operation? Adjunct to 
>> Snowden's dump among others.
> 
>   well, it tells you how total global surveillance works against the 
> masses. Of course it doesn't tell you how govcorp mafias deal with their own 
> system. 
> 
>   Also, given total surveillance, the claim that human shit spies are 
> obsolete isn't too far fetched...

I find it vastly amusing.

Re: Someone forgot ten pounds of C-4 in New York

[Mirimir]

On 12/18/2019 08:48 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On 12/18/19, Razer  wrote:
>> I lived in that neighborhood for years in the 60s and 70s and to the
>> best of my knowledge any cemetery that existed there is nothing you'd
>> actually call a cemetery, so I went and looked. It's a gentrified park
>> in a former lower working class neighborhood bordering on "Alphabet
>> Soup" that was forcibly converted to yuppie heaven. SOMEONE is pissed
>> about that and wanted to scare the hipsters infesting the hood.
> 
>> https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/emailid/1327639
> 
> You'd be amazed what secrets vagabonds carry around
> in their trash bags... leftovers from 911 job ;) Too bad this
> person's story will never be told. Still worth a FOIA anyways.

It could have been a veteran. Back in the day, it wasn't that hard to
walk off with a block or two of C-4. Maybe became homeless, and got
tired of lugging it around.

Or a dead drop.

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

[Mirimir]

On 12/18/2019 03:45 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:50:19 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> And about the penis thing. As I understand it, they basically invert and
>> expand the penis. So the glans becomes the clitoris, and the interior
>> becomes the vagina. It's a crude hack, for sure.
> 
> 
>   are there any women going through a similar butchery to 'become' 'men'? 
> In the case of women I guess they would have to cut off their tits and have a 
> dick implant? 

I'm sure there are. But you know, guys have tits too. With more
testosterone and less estrogen, they get smaller.

I don't know how they make dicks. You could search about it.

>   anyway, there certainly are variations in sex and there may even be a 
> percentage of people who are hermaphrodites, but how big is it? 

It's hard to say. It used to be common for pediatric surgeons to correct
variations at birth, or soon thereafter. Often without telling parents.
But they do that less, now. Which maybe accounts for it being more of an
issue. And it's not just physical variations.

>> Gender is no more one dimensional -- male vs female
>> -- than political ideology is. And even if it were, we're developing
>> technology that makes all of that irrelevant.
> 
> 
>   what's that supposed to mean, exactly? The matrix bullshit, which in 
> reality means that  humanity is exterminated? 

No, not virtual reality. Better understanding of biological systems.
Growing organs on 3D printed jello from stem cells. Give you a new
liver, new kidneys, a new dick. Whatever you want. We're just meat
machines, after all. Nothing magic.

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

[Mirimir]

On 12/18/2019 12:14 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>>
>> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
>
> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?

 If you wanted to be a horse, why not?
>>>
>>> Maybe because I'd still be 90% human
>>>
 At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.
>>>
>>> No, why would you assume so?  Do you think cutting off your penis
>>> makes you a woman, too?  Just what kind of bullshit will you be
>>> willing to turn away from?  When does it stop for you?
>>
>> Me, I'm happy as I am. As long as I get my testosterone and modafinil,
>> anyway.
> 
> So you're not happy without augmentation?

No, I'm not. I'm old, and my body no longer makes enough testosterone to
keep me healthy. And the modafinil definitely makes me happier. I mean,
the bloody Air Force uses it, and they arguably know what they're doing.

>> But why should whatever you or I think or want matter for anyone else?
> 
> Very simply:  the choices of ONE person eventually and INEVITABLY
> affect SOMEONE ELSE.  Have you thought about this much?

No, I don't worry too much about it. People ought to mind their own
business, unless I invite them into mine. And if they don't otherwise
stay out of my business, I'm free to defend myself.

>> And about the penis thing. As I understand it, they basically invert and
>> expand the penis. So the glans becomes the clitoris, and the interior
>> becomes the vagina. It's a crude hack, for sure. But it is more or less
>> consistent with developmental homology.
> 
> HA, why would that make you a woman?  Do you think a woman is defined
> by her vagina?  You are the one who insults people.

That's ridiculous. Gender is no more one dimensional -- male vs female
-- than political ideology is. And even if it were, we're developing
technology that makes all of that irrelevant.

> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.

 I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.
>>>
>>> No clue?  How about mental illness?  If you want any-dimensional
>>> "spectra", then there is no such thing as mental illness either,
>>> right?
>>
>> Those aren't arguments, just insults.
> 
> Not quite "just".  They are based on a the medical professions best
> opinion, albeit from the 1980s.  You suppose the science for gender
> changed much since then?

I'm sure that it's changed a lot. If it hadn't, they'd all be bloody
idiots, no?

And anyway, the topic there was Left vs Right, not Male vs Female.

>>> Have you ever tested your philosophy on anyone older than high school?
> 
> I think not, but I meant with a *maturity* of someone older than high
> school, sorry.

Whatever dude.

> \0xD
> 

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

[Mirimir]

On 12/17/2019 11:37 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️

 Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
>>>
>>> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
>>> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?
>>
>> If you wanted to be a horse, why not?
> 
> Maybe because I'd still be 90% human
> 
>> At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.
> 
> No, why would you assume so?  Do you think cutting off your penis
> makes you a woman, too?  Just what kind of bullshit will you be
> willing to turn away from?  When does it stop for you?

Me, I'm happy as I am. As long as I get my testosterone and modafinil,
anyway.

But why should whatever you or I think or want matter for anyone else?

And about the penis thing. As I understand it, they basically invert and
expand the penis. So the glans becomes the clitoris, and the interior
becomes the vagina. It's a crude hack, for sure. But it is more or less
consistent with developmental homology.

>>> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.
>>
>> I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.
> 
> No clue?  How about mental illness?  If you want any-dimensional
> "spectra", then there is no such thing as mental illness either,
> right?

Those aren't arguments, just insults.

> Have you ever tested your philosophy on anyone older than high school?
> 
> Seriously,
> 
> \0xd
> 

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

[Mirimir]

On 12/17/2019 08:14 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
> On 12/17/19, grarpamp  wrote:
>> On 12/17/19, Razer  wrote:
>>> https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
>>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>>
>> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
> 
> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?

If you wanted to be a horse, why not?

At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.

> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.

I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.

> \0xD
> 

Re: Questions about Other Crypto Discussion Forums

[Mirimir]

On 12/15/2019 12:11 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:



> No, Tor is not perfect; it certainly beats nothing, but shouldn't be
> considered a complete countersurveillance solution in and of itself
> for many threat models.

I used to think pretty much that.

Now it seems all too possible that some malicious relays operate with
the tacit approval of at least some Tor Project staff. Given the FOIA
production that I've seen.

So sure, "it certainly beats nothing". But it's proselytized in ways
that foster a false sense of security.

At this point, if you want low-latency connectivity, botnets are your
safest bet. Or, for those who consider that immoral, nested VPN chains.
You can go at least five deep, with iptables rules to prevent leaks.

Re: Testing whether devices are NordVPN proxies

[Mirimir]

On 12/04/2019 09:07 AM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On December 4, 2019 12:59:11 PM UTC, Mirimir  wrote:
>> On 12/04/2019 04:58 AM, Comet Dweller wrote:
>>> On 04/12/2019 11:47, Mirimir wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems that NordVPN is routing traffic to Disney+ through many
>>>> residential IPv4 in the US.
>>>>
>>>> This is an interesting approach, if it is true. I wonder if it's in
>> their Ts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 0)
>>>>
>> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...it-might-be-through-your-own-computer.423660/
>>>
>>>
>>> Mangled URL there. Should be:
>> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-it-might-be-through-your-own-computer.423660/
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> I neglected to cite Derek Johnson's post on the issue.[0] He cites
>> Luminati's complaint against Tesonet,[1] which claims that OxyLabs is
>> infringing its patents:
>>
>> | 19. Upon information and belief, the OxyLabs residential proxy
>> | network is based upon numerous user devices, each of which is
>> | a client device identifiable over the Internet by an IP address.
>> | Upon information and belief, these user devices become part of
>> | the network through the execution of Tesonet code embedded in
>> | applications downloaded by that devices user. Upon information
>> | and belief, these devices send their identifier to a server
>> | (“First Server”), such as Oxylab’s dedicated proxy servers,
>> | which store these identifiers.
>> |
>> | 20. Upon information and belief, Tesonet has developed or is
>> | developing OxyLabs embedded software for different platforms
>> | including Google Android and Windows. Upon information and
>> | belief, while frequently renamed, the above OxyLabs embedded
>> | software that enables the residential proxy network includes
>> | embedded code named “genericexitnode,” “winnerbot,”
>> | “CoffeeService,” “instantcoffee,” and “ENService.”
>>
>> | 21. Upon information and belief, the above OxyLabs embedded
>> | code has been integrated in at least the following software
>> | applications that may be downloaded by any user located
>> | anywhere having Internet access: AppAspect Technologies’ “EMI
>> | Calculator” and “Automatic Call Recorder”; Birrastorming
>> | Ideas, S.L’s “IPTV Manager for VL;” CC Soft’s “Followers
>> | Tool for Instagram;” Glidesoft Technologies’ “Route Finder;”
>> | ImaTechInnovations’ “3D Wallpaper Parallax 2018;” and
>> | Softmate a/k/a Toolbarstudio Inc.’s “AppGeyser” and
>> | “Toolbarstudio.”
>>
>> Maybe Oxylabs is connected with NordVPN, and maybe not. But NordVPN
>> could be leasing residential proxies from them. Or from other firms who
>> do similar things.
>>
>> 0)
>> https://medium.com/@derek./how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-6c51045dbc30
>> 1)
>> https://cdn-resprivacy.pressidium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Luminati-Networks-LTD-vs-UAB-Tesonet.pdf
> 
> Wow, this seems super scummy/criminal.  Does any of this  software mentioned,
> which seems to turn the users machine into a proxy, TELL the user that
> they their computer is being leveraged as a proxy?

It may be buried somewhere in the user agreement / contract. For
Luminati, given that they're offering a "free" VPN service, it's likely
mentioned somewhere.

But Oxylabs, they're getting their proxy-server SDK integrated by a
bunch of third-party software developers. So it's probably up to each
developer to disclose the proxy server. And I'm pretty sure that most
people running those apps have no clue that they're proxying NordVPN
traffic to Disney+. Or whatever traffic other Oxylabs' customers are
routing through their devices.

Re: Testing whether devices are NordVPN proxies

[Mirimir]

On 12/04/2019 04:58 AM, Comet Dweller wrote:
> On 04/12/2019 11:47, Mirimir wrote:
> 
>> It seems that NordVPN is routing traffic to Disney+ through many
>> residential IPv4 in the US.
>> 
>> This is an interesting approach, if it is true. I wonder if it's in their 
>> Ts
>> 
>> 
>> 0)
>> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...it-might-be-through-your-own-computer.423660/
> 
> 
> Mangled URL there. Should be: 
> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-it-might-be-through-your-own-computer.423660/

Thanks :)

I neglected to cite Derek Johnson's post on the issue.[0] He cites
Luminati's complaint against Tesonet,[1] which claims that OxyLabs is
infringing its patents:

| 19. Upon information and belief, the OxyLabs residential proxy
| network is based upon numerous user devices, each of which is
| a client device identifiable over the Internet by an IP address.
| Upon information and belief, these user devices become part of
| the network through the execution of Tesonet code embedded in
| applications downloaded by that devices user. Upon information
| and belief, these devices send their identifier to a server
| (“First Server”), such as Oxylab’s dedicated proxy servers,
| which store these identifiers.
|
| 20. Upon information and belief, Tesonet has developed or is
| developing OxyLabs embedded software for different platforms
| including Google Android and Windows. Upon information and
| belief, while frequently renamed, the above OxyLabs embedded
| software that enables the residential proxy network includes
| embedded code named “genericexitnode,” “winnerbot,”
| “CoffeeService,” “instantcoffee,” and “ENService.”

| 21. Upon information and belief, the above OxyLabs embedded
| code has been integrated in at least the following software
| applications that may be downloaded by any user located
| anywhere having Internet access: AppAspect Technologies’ “EMI
| Calculator” and “Automatic Call Recorder”; Birrastorming
| Ideas, S.L’s “IPTV Manager for VL;” CC Soft’s “Followers
| Tool for Instagram;” Glidesoft Technologies’ “Route Finder;”
| ImaTechInnovations’ “3D Wallpaper Parallax 2018;” and
| Softmate a/k/a Toolbarstudio Inc.’s “AppGeyser” and
| “Toolbarstudio.”

Maybe Oxylabs is connected with NordVPN, and maybe not. But NordVPN
could be leasing residential proxies from them. Or from other firms who
do similar things.

0) https://medium.com/@derek./how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-6c51045dbc30
1)
https://cdn-resprivacy.pressidium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Luminati-Networks-LTD-vs-UAB-Tesonet.pdf

Testing whether devices are NordVPN proxies

[Mirimir]

It seems that NordVPN is routing traffic to Disney+ through many
residential IPv4 in the US.[0,1] As much as I love VPN services, it
would suck if people's devices are unwittingly serving as NordVPN exits.
Even if it's just for something as innocuous as Disney+.

And it's easy to test that yourself, if you have a NordVPN account. If
you're hitting a site using the Akamai CDN via one of NordVPN's US
servers, you can see the server's exit IP address:

$ curl -LIX GET https://foo.bar -H 'Pragma: akamai-x-get-client-ip'

Generally, the "X-Akamai-Pragma-Client-IP" is the same as the server's
nominal exit IP address:

$ w3m -dump https://ipchicken.com

But when hitting https://www.disneyplus.com it's not. But rather, it's
some IPv4 from a residential ASN. Which you can check using
https://ipinfo.io or whatever.

I've seen no definitive information about the nature of these
residential proxies. They might be NordVPN customers in the US, although
that seems too footgun. Or they might have installed some third-party
app with a bundled proxy server. Or it could even be outright malware.

But in any case, it'd be cool if people could determine whether their
devices are being used as NordVPN exits.

I've run about 300 tests so far, on a few NordVPN's US servers, and
found about 270 distinct proxy addresses. And so I've hacked a simple
Linux test script, using hashed "X-Akamai-Pragma-Client-IP" values.[2]

Just save the code block at the top as "test.sh" or whatever. Then do
"chmod u+x", and execute in the terminal. It'll prompt "IPv4 to search
for?". Type an IPv4, and hit "Enter".

This is howling in the void, I know. But so it goes.

0)
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...it-might-be-through-your-own-computer.423660/
1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692
2) https://pastebin.com/YYc9Kuax

Re: Amazon Braket – Get Started with Quantum Computing

[Mirimir]

On 12/02/2019 10:51 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 23:44:33 -0600
> "Shawn K. Quinn"  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/2/19 23:04, %$#$&*@^$![BLEEEP] wrote:
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614487/meet-americas-newest-military-giant-amazon/
>>
>> NSA != military
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
> 
> "(NSA) is a national-level intelligence agency of the United States 
> Department of Defense, " 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_War
> 
> do I need to spell it out for you? The nsa is part of the department of war, 
> i.e. the military.
> 
> next? 

Also, there's likely overlap between Caltech staff and the NSA.

Re: appelbaum's CV and tor's résumé

[Mirimir]

On 11/26/2019 01:58 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:19:52 +
> coderman  wrote:
> 
>> see also:
>  work he’s claiming credit for?
>> - https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1197305715439751168
> 
>> - https://twitter.com/hdevalence/status/1197280487674245120
> 
> 
>   yes, I see. You  linked a bunch of feminazi cunts from the pentagon. 
> What's your take on that sorf of non-human scum? The cunts you linked are 
> obviouasly appelbaum's accomplices, who now have stabbed him on the back.
> 
>   That doesn't mean they are any better than him. They are actually 
> marginally worse, still working directly for govcorp.

Although I wouldn't harsh on them all so hard, the back stabbing is
extreme. It's like they can't stand to see him contribute anywhere.

>>
>> The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
>> Part of me has been picking up posts on a few mailing lists that seem to 
>> echo known text written by him. Been wondering if they were trial balloons 
>> to see if anyone noticed.
>> - https://twitter.com/virtadpt/status/1197313208865849344
> 
> 

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/25/2019 09:45 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:56:09 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/25/2019 08:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:58:09 +
>>> Peter Fairbrother  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It should be noted that NSA do not say they can break TOR in practice, 
>>>> and afaik there is no evidence that they have.
>>>
>>> yeah, the NSA can't break tor but some random university can 
>>>
>>> 
>>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d7yp5a/carnegie-mellon-university-attacked-tor-was-subpoenaed-by-feds
>>
>> That bug was patched. But there obviously could be others. And the NSA
>> does tend to stockpile 0days.
>>
>> Also, one wonders how long the NSA etc had used the bug that CMU exploited.
> 
> 
>   here, yet another attack 
> 
>   https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/circuit-fingerprinting2015.pdf
>   Circuit Fingerprinting Attacks: Passive Deanonymization of Tor Hidden 
> Services
> 
>   and the introduction to that article states
> 
>   "over the past few years, hidden services have witnessed various active 
> attacks in the wild [12, 28], resulting in several takedowns [28]" 
> 
>   but hey, the nsa can't break tor..

That's why it's prudent for users and onion sites to hit Tor via nested
VPN chains.

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/25/2019 08:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:58:09 +
> Peter Fairbrother  wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> It should be noted that NSA do not say they can break TOR in practice, 
>> and afaik there is no evidence that they have.
> 
>   yeah, the NSA can't break tor but some random university can 
> 
>   
> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d7yp5a/carnegie-mellon-university-attacked-tor-was-subpoenaed-by-feds

That bug was patched. But there obviously could be others. And the NSA
does tend to stockpile 0days.

Also, one wonders how long the NSA etc had used the bug that CMU exploited.

Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/25/2019 03:46 AM, grarpamp wrote:
>> FOIA documents came out
> 
> ?

https://surveillancevalley.com/blog/fact-checking-the-tor-projects-government-ties

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4379303-Bbg-Tor-Emails-Stack-21.html

Edit: Also
https://www.documentcloud.org/public/search/Account:%2019359-yasha-levine

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/25/2019 03:46 AM, grarpamp wrote:
>> FOIA documents came out
> 
> ?

https://surveillancevalley.com/blog/fact-checking-the-tor-projects-government-ties

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4379303-Bbg-Tor-Emails-Stack-21.html

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/24/2019 04:00 AM, John Young wrote:
> Critique of Tor applies equally, perhaps moreso, to the whole Internet
> for monetization, technology, personnel, administration, operation,
> funding, seducing the public, NGOs, dissent. So too, to crypto,
> anonymization, cypherpunks.
> 
> Perennial question is how to sort through the tsunami of claims and
> counterclaims, sponsored hacks, slyly appealing "free" SM, search
> engines, FOIA enterprises, Wayback and Wikipedia, paid and volunteer
> informants and agents, hot shit mail lists and get-it-now podcasts,
> star-studded conferences and outlaw-celebrity lectures, incarcerated
> Julians and Jeremys, fans and evermore fans of unexamined underwriters.
> 
> Has there ever been more people eagerly declaring in public their likes
> and hatreds, convictions and doubts, hoping to gain advantage over other
> people by pretense and deception. Actually, yes, there has been since
> talking, singing, dancing, education, civilization was invented to
> entrap prey.
> 
> Prey quickly learned from predators to reverse the panopticon. Usually
> by offering their gullible, edible kids, cohorts and mates as
> irresistable bait to fatten the enemy into overconfidence, sloth,
> braggrdy, imagined supremacy. Tor, like Trump, is hardly novel in this
> suicidalism, nor the crusading, diabolical internet of everything data.

For sure.

Figuring out who/what one can trust is arguably impossible. Or at least,
it's far too unreliable.

Bottom line, I think, it's foolish to trust anyone/anything.

So the challenge is prudently using whatever resources are available.

> At 06:39 PM 11/23/2019, you [Mirimir] wrote:
> 
>> On 11/23/2019 04:23 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>> > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:39:55 -0700
>> > Mirimir  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The villains here are writers of the Tor Project website. They
>> bullshit
>> >> users, overselling Tor. Why, I don't know. Maybe it's all a
>> honeypot. Or
>> >> maybe they're just idiots.
>> >
>> >   Notice that they get paid as long as tor exists. So even if
>> tor was not a honeypot, and they are not idiots, they still have a
>> fundamental incentive to oversell it. Their paychecks.
>>
>> Yeah, good point.
>>
>> After those FOIA documents came out, I lost all respect for the Tor
>> Project. I get how conflicted they were. Needing government support.
>> Keeping the cops happy. Maybe having their jobs threatened. But selling
>> out is selling out, no matter how many excuses one has.
>>
>> >   Also, syverson and co. are complicit in overselling tor,
>> despite the fact that their papers for the 'technical intelligentsia'
>> spell out the limitations.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> >> I've wondered whether it's just that they need lots of users for cover
>> >> traffic. That _was_ a major factor in opening Tor to the public,
>> instead
>> >> of restricting it to government users. But that seems unlikely, now,
>> >> given that the NSA etc could easily run enough bots on hacked servers.
>> >
>> >
>> >   My guess is that the main reason for them to get as many users
>> as they can is to justify funding. Hell, maybe they even get a
>> percentage of funding directly proportional to number of users/network
>> size.
>>
>> Makes sense.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/23/2019 04:23 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:39:55 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>>
>> The villains here are writers of the Tor Project website. They bullshit
>> users, overselling Tor. Why, I don't know. Maybe it's all a honeypot. Or
>> maybe they're just idiots.
> 
>   Notice that they get paid as long as tor exists. So even if tor was not 
> a honeypot, and they are not idiots, they still have a fundamental incentive 
> to oversell it. Their paychecks.

Yeah, good point.

After those FOIA documents came out, I lost all respect for the Tor
Project. I get how conflicted they were. Needing government support.
Keeping the cops happy. Maybe having their jobs threatened. But selling
out is selling out, no matter how many excuses one has.

>   Also, syverson and co. are complicit in overselling tor, despite the 
> fact that their papers for the 'technical intelligentsia' spell out the 
> limitations. 

Agreed.

>> I've wondered whether it's just that they need lots of users for cover
>> traffic. That _was_ a major factor in opening Tor to the public, instead
>> of restricting it to government users. But that seems unlikely, now,
>> given that the NSA etc could easily run enough bots on hacked servers.
> 
> 
>   My guess is that the main reason for them to get as many users as they 
> can is to justify funding. Hell, maybe they even get a percentage of funding 
> directly proportional to number of users/network size.

Makes sense.

Re: Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

[Mirimir]

On 11/23/2019 10:00 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:21:08 -0500
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
>>
>>> low-latency
>>
>> This phrase is misused by many as if it were some kind
>> of litmus test for determining TA resistance... it is not.
> 
>   by 'low latency' they mean two things :
> 
>   1) 'efficient' use of data transmission capacity, i.e. whether chaff is 
> sent(expensive)  or not.
>   
>   2) actual low latency. In order to prevent timing attacks, packets need 
> to be reclocked, which means adding delay, which results in higher 'latency'.
> 
>   So anyway, 'low latency' is shorthand for systems that don't do any of 
> the above, and oo are...shit. And tor is included in the shit cateory. And 
> scum-master syverson openly acknowledges it...in papers that no-one reads, 
> while advertising tor as a means to 
> 
>   "Defend yourself against network surveillance and traffic analysis." 
> 
>   which is of course outright criminal fraud. 

Yes, Tor is low-latency. And is vulnerable to traffic analysis. And yet,
as you say, it's promoted to the clueless as resisting "network
surveillance and traffic analysis".

Which is, as you say, "outright criminal fraud".

Even so, if you read the Tor design document

you see that they're quite open about the limitations.

And so are Syverson's publications, which you've quoted a lot.

The villains here are writers of the Tor Project website. They bullshit
users, overselling Tor. Why, I don't know. Maybe it's all a honeypot. Or
maybe they're just idiots.

I've wondered whether it's just that they need lots of users for cover
traffic. That _was_ a major factor in opening Tor to the public, instead
of restricting it to government users. But that seems unlikely, now,
given that the NSA etc could easily run enough bots on hacked servers.

Re: Who was that itinerant folksinger who posted to cypherpunks in the late 90s?

[Mirimir]

Ah yes, how could I forget Toto.

Thanks :)

On 11/20/2019 03:39 PM, John Young wrote:
> Carl Edward Johnson (aka "CJ," "Toto" and "TruthMonger"), perhaps.
> 
> https://cryptome.org/jya/cejfiles.htm
> 
> At 04:53 PM 11/20/2019, you wrote:
>> They were the most amazing rants that I've ever seen. As I recall.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Lovely... <3

[Mirimir]

Indeed :)

On 11/20/2019 11:05 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
> That is hilarious.
> 
> \0xD
> 
> On 11/20/19, Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
>> A little joke to make you smile, Razer!  :D
>>
>> What's the difference between USB and USA?
>>
>> One connects to all your devices and accesses your data. The other is a
>> hardware standard.
>>
> 

Re: Burner phone for international call from US

[Mirimir]

On 07/21/2019 04:26 PM, Douglas Lucas wrote:
> Dear cryptocurrency hoarders, aspiring cryptocurrency hoarders, and
> those discarded by -- or barely hanging on in -- a global (anti)society
> dedicated to assigning high status to those most adept at hoarding
> commodities, while exterminating those odd enough to, like, help others:
> 
> 
> In Seattle where I reside, I'd like to purchase a burner phone for less
> than $100 USD, though upper limit price is negotiable. Preferably
> purchase offline with cash.
> 
> This phone will be used by a comrade, whom I will coach, to place an
> international call to a Western country, and a few calls within the
> United States.
> 
> I do not want the recipients of the calls to associate them with me, my
> name, my voice, my phone number, etc. The recipients of the calls are
> low-level staffpeople at small/medium-sized enterprises and/or
> educational institutions.

I trust that your meatspace name is not Douglas Lucas. Because, if it
is, you've already blown it for anyone who can Google stuff. Given that
Google etc do index the cypherpunk archives. Just sayin'. But hey, maybe
your threat model doesn't include that threat ;)

Re: impersonating Juan, a quick test

[Mirimir]

On 07/14/2019 05:04 PM, Punk wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:13:26 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> You are such an jerk.
>>
>> Why would you speculate about someone "guessing" your password, or Vince
>> "playing games", after John clearly said that he spoofed some header?
> 
>   because spoofing headers DOESNT actually WORK!! Doesn't "work" in the 
> sense of creating a message that looks authentic. 
> 
>   if you look at the headers of message 075590, which I didn't write, the 
> headers look authentic :
> 
>   https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075590.html

OK, I get it. Sorry to be such a jerk. I hadn't read the earlier posts
about spoofed messages from your CockMail account. And I thought that
you were referring to John's message that you replied to, not this other
message, "Boomerhedge - Boomer Propaganda Cesspool".

But seriously, that one is even less well spoofed.

| From: Punk 

vs the message I'm replying to now

| From: Punk 

>   John tried doing the same thing and failed because a random cock.li 
> user can't spoof a header in a way that makes it look *authentic*. SO, if the 
> header IS authentic or a 'perfect fake',  then there are a few options 
> 
>   1) somebody has my password
> 
>   2) or cock.li's admin himself sent the messages (both 1 and 2 as 
> suggested by Shawn)
> 
>   3) or I'm lying and no message was spoofed. So I first wrote a message 
> saying that zerohedge is garbage and then I wrote a reply to my own message 
> as if I were a different person, disgagreeing with myself. Because I'm that 
> retarded. 
> 
>   needless to say I KNOW option 3 is false, but you're free to believe in 
> such 'conspiracy theory'. 

Unless I missed something, I doubt that your account has been
compromised. Or that Vince is fucking with you.

>> You can bullshit all you want, but it was a dumb thing to say, and it
>> makes you look like an idiot. And it makes me wonder whether he actually
>> got it right, because I don't recall you being as idiotic as this ;)
> 
> 
>   So what about YOU misreading what I said? You're clearly 
> misunderstanding something. I'm even willing to admit it's because of my less 
> than perfect english...But hopefully NOW you got it.

Yes, I got it. Sorry. Just crabby today, I guess.

Re: impersonating Juan, a quick test

[Mirimir]

On 07/14/2019 04:02 PM, Punk wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:52:21 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>> No, but are you blind?
> 
>   right back at you - are you blind, retarded, high or what? 
> 
>>
>> You said this:
>>
>>> so either somebody 'guessed' my random password, or somebody at
>> cock.li is playing games. If it's Vince, then Hi Vince! and thanks for
>> the service(not including impersonation)
> 
>   yes, AND?
> 
>>
>> It's not uncommon for email providers to allow spoofed headers.
> 
> 
>   go read what John wrote. Then read my reply. And if you still don't get 
> it, don't bother with further messages...

You are such an jerk.

Why would you speculate about someone "guessing" your password, or Vince
"playing games", after John clearly said that he spoofed some header?

You can bullshit all you want, but it was a dumb thing to say, and it
makes you look like an idiot. And it makes me wonder whether he actually
got it right, because I don't recall you being as idiotic as this ;)

Re: impersonating Juan, a quick test

[Mirimir]

On 07/14/2019 03:36 PM, Punk wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:28:37 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/14/2019 02:19 PM, Punk wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:57:11 -0400
>>> John Newman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> And it didn't work very well in any case, the first line in the headers
>>>> is 
>>>>
>>>>> Return-Path: 
>>>>
>>>> .. which is my cock.li account :P
>>>>
>>>> I will now stop abusing the mail system tonight.
>>>
>>> 
>>> so either somebody 'guessed' my random password, or somebody at cock.li 
>>> is playing games. If it's Vince, then Hi Vince! and thanks for the 
>>> service(not including impersonation)
>>
>> Now _that's_ funny.
>>
>> John didn't say that he compromised your CockMail account. 
> 
>   Right. And I never suggested or implied he did. So what are *you* 
> suggesting? 
> 
> 
>> He said that
>> he just spoofed "headers".
> 
>   Right. I never said or implied that he did anything else. I assumed 
> that cock.li allowed spoofed headers, he tested it. So what are you on about? 
> 
> 
>>
>> But maybe you ought to pretend that someone did successfully spoof this
>> message ;)
>   
>   are you drunk? 

No, but are you blind?

You said this:

> so either somebody 'guessed' my random password, or somebody at
cock.li is playing games. If it's Vince, then Hi Vince! and thanks for
the service(not including impersonation)

It's not uncommon for email providers to allow spoofed headers.

Re: impersonating Juan, a quick test

[Mirimir]

On 07/14/2019 02:19 PM, Punk wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:57:11 -0400
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
>> And it didn't work very well in any case, the first line in the headers
>> is 
>>
>>> Return-Path: 
>>
>> .. which is my cock.li account :P
>>
>> I will now stop abusing the mail system tonight.
> 
>   
>   so either somebody 'guessed' my random password, or somebody at cock.li 
> is playing games. If it's Vince, then Hi Vince! and thanks for the 
> service(not including impersonation)

Now _that's_ funny.

John didn't say that he compromised your CockMail account. He said that
he just spoofed "headers".

But maybe you ought to pretend that someone did successfully spoof this
message ;)

Re: SKS Keyserver Network Under Attack

[Mirimir]

On 06/30/2019 07:40 PM, John Newman wrote:
> I'm surprised no one has written an sks filesystem (using fuse maybe), 
> although it would obviously be horribly inefficient, and a total abuse of the 
> system.

They have: https://github.com/yakamok/keyserver-fs ;)

Re: Ross Ulbricht

[Mirimir]

>From the CC for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZM8sgzpae0

| ... and let's realize that it's the lawmakers and the police
| and the judges that are imprisoning these peaceful people are
| for having hurt no one they are the criminal aggressors not
| the people they're being held in prison so I think people
| need to start pointing that out ...

So Ross says that they ought to be in prison. But that ain't never gonna
happen. So maybe with Assassination Politics, they'd just be dead. If
enough people felt that way, enough to help pay for it.

On 06/27/2019 10:21 PM, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
> Assassination-politics.   Assassination Politics  
> |  
> |   
> |   
> |   ||
> 
>|
> 
>   |
> |  
> |   |  
> Assassination Politics
>  
> 
>   |   |
> 
>   |
> 
>   |
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>   On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 22:18, mark M wrote:   
> What’s an ap type system 
> 
> 
> On Jun 27, 2019 at 9:41 PM,  wrote:
> 
> Ever since Silk Road 1 failed, I have pointed out that Dark Markets need to 
> be protected by AP-type system.
> 
> https://medium.com/@RossUlbricht/who-deserves-this-6cff48f62b6f
> 
>   
> 

Re: temporary fix for disabled Firefox extensions

[Mirimir]

On 05/05/2019 01:28 PM, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2019 6:31:06 AM PDT, Greg Newby  wrote:
>> The steps mentioned below didn't help me, and the alleged automated
>> fixes from Mozilla had not arrived, so I checked again and see they
>> updated their documentation: 
>> https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/
>>
>> Turns out you need to enable Firefox "studies," 
> 
> 
> No you don't.  On my S7 version all I had to do was the about:config fix. 
> With the tab s4 I had to go to the add-ons site and activate an Enable button 
> that was there instead of the Install button. No reason it should be any 
> different in the computer distro. One or the other... most likely the latter, 
> should work w/o mozilla 'studying' you.
> 
> Rr
> Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail

The about:config fix works in Linux and Android, but not in Windows. The
Mozilla update works in all OS, but not with ESR versions. They say that
they're working on it.

I was testing the about:config fix on my wife's Win10 box, and just as I
was undoing it (because it did nothing) the update downloaded. And all
was immediately fine. But she did have the "studies" thing enabled.
Probably because she didn't know to disable it.

temporary fix for disabled Firefox extensions

[Mirimir]

| All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate signing cert

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19823928 for workarounds in
MacOS and Linux.

I posted to tor-talk, but my account may be blocked. So maybe someone
could post if it doesn't show up soon.

Re: [OT] It's a good day to... :D

[Mirimir]

On 04/03/2019 01:43 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 18:12 kamoshi  wrote:
> 
> Loving the optimism and positivity. But I wish someone could help me? As
>> Nick Szabo hasn’t been replying to my messages.
>>
> 
> Hi, kid!  Hope you are doing good and feeling better!  :D

Yes, indeed :)



> Hey, Kamoshi, you did receive an answer from Mirimir, my best imaginary
> friend here, a few months ago!  Could you show a little more of respect for
> his search and time, please?  I do love him really a lot!  <3

Very sweet, Ceci. But I don't remember anything from Kamoshi. Not that
my memory is so great anymore. So Kamoshi, please ask again.

> He doesn't exist in the "real life", but has a big and tender heart...  And
> a f*cking amazing brain!  Wow, really love this guy very, very, very
> much!!!  <3

I love you, Ceci <3

> Please, do not harm yourself and learn to love the whole world's
> awesomeness, my dear Kamoshi.  It will save you!  ;)
> 
> Take care and be well, boy.  Keep your hopes, do *not* kill yourself, live
> and be happy...  And, if possible, always share your happiness with this
> sad world.  Living is not easy, but it can be fun as a f*ck, wow!!!  :D

Please remember that thoughts, feelings and circumstances are ephemeral.
But that death is very likely forever. I'll probably kill myself. But
only when I'd otherwise be facing months of unmitigated pain.

> Tender kisses and hugs from Brazil!  <3

And from erehwon, too <3





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Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

[Mirimir]

On 03/30/2019 01:40 PM, Punk wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 06:06:07 -0400
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
>> "
>> DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE
>> Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing
>> what websites you visit. All anyone monitoring your browsing habits
>> can see is that you're using Tor.
>> "
>>
>> This is false [1], and intentionally preloaded
>> with [use case and definitional] weasel words [2].
> 
> 
>   Good to see that there's at least one voice telling the truth. 
> 
>   On the other hand, we have Mirimir's comment
> 
>   "Tor works well enough that implementing one of the newer designs
> seems unlikely" 
>   
> 
>   LMAO Tor works 'well enough' mirimir? Well enough for whom? I do 
> agree that tor works well enough though. It works well enough as NSA 
> controlled opposition. Is that what you meant?

I mean "well enough" in the sense that nobody (as far as I know) has
seriously started implementing one of the newer, and arguably better,
anonymity systems. Such as ...

HORNET, a system that enables high-speed end-to-
end anonymous channels by leveraging next generation network
architectures. HORNET is designed as a low-latency onion routing
system that operates at the network layer ...
Chen et al. (2015)

... or ...

Riffle, a system for bandwidth- and computation-efficient anonymous
communication. Riffle addresses the problems of DC-Nets and verifiable
mixnets, while offering the same level of anonymity.
Kwon (2015)

Anyway, that statement doesn't represent my opinion on Tor's merits.
It's just an observation on what's happened. Or what hasn't happened, as
it were.

Re: What do you think happened here?

[Mirimir]

On 03/24/2019 01:03 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote:
> https://mchap.io/that-time-the-city-of-seattle-accidentally-gave-me-32m-emails-for-40-dollars4997.html
> 
>> Somewhere towards the end of the call, I asked them if it was okay to keep 
>> the emails. Why not at least ask, right?
> 
>> Funny enough, in the middle of that question, my internet died and 
>> interrupted the call for the first time in the six months I lived in that 
>> house. Odd. It came back ten minutes later, and I dialed back into the 
>> conference line, but the mood of the call pretty much 180’d. They told me:
> 
>> 1. All files were to be deleted.
> 
>> 2. Seattle would hire [Kroll](https://www.kroll.com/en-us/default.aspx) to 
>> scan my hard drives to prove deletion
> 
>> 3. Agreeing to #1 and #2 would give me full legal indemnification.
> 
>> This isn't something I'm even remotely cool with, so we ended the call a 
>> couple minutes later, and agreed to have our lawyers speak going forward.
> 
> Sudden DDOS attack after attempt to stall for time?
> I tried writing an email about this before, but my Linux machine suddenly 
> froze.
> Tempting to claim that naive implementations of IP stacks should be used for 
> home users and authentication servers (with the rest using standard 
> implementations). Journalists certainly should use a VPN, NAT isn’t a 
> firewall, but it is pretty close.
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

FYI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18257867

It's a little odd that someone mucking about with ~iffy FOIA requests
doesn't have a decent firewall, and isn't using at least a VPN.

But at least he had a lawyer on retainer.

It's a little hard to imagine that the City of Seattle IT folks would
try to pwn his computer. Or even have his ISP disconnect him. At least,
in the time frame of a few minutes.

Re: Decentralized Storage Comparison

[Mirimir]

On 01/31/2019 04:04 PM, Punk wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 20:51:44 -0700
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> However, all of these distributed storage systems are similarly
>> vulnerable, more or less. You are potentially screwed if an adversary
>> can 1) peer directly with you, and get your IP address; and 2) send you
>> file fragments that are (even though encrypted) identifiable by hash or
>> whatever. 
> 
> 
>   Well by running freenet or something like it you are guaranteed to 
> store and forward  fragments of 'bad'(LMAO) files. That's the basic design of 
> the system. And that means an 'adversary' like the american nazi govt can 
> persecute any freenet user if they so choose. They don't even need to 
> explicitly send parts of an 'ilegal' file to a particular client. 

Yes, they can probably calculate hashes for fragments of any files. But
generally, they do need to peer directly with you. Although some systems
enable request forwarding, and nodes can see the names of indirectly
connected nodes. But they can't see those IPs, just the IP of the node
that handled the forwarding.

>> If you didn't encrypt locally, they may find bad stuff (even
>> if only as temp files). And if you did encrypt locally, they may jail
>> you for contempt unless you reveal the passphrase(s).
> 
> 
>   in other words, if you live in a police state you are fucked. There 
> clearly is no crpytographic  'workaround' here. 

Yeah, basically. Your only hope is not attracting attention.

>> So anyway, if you use any of these distributed storage systems, make
>> sure that you peer only with people you trust, 
> 
>   that may be better but it's not too practical. 

I agree. But it's what Freenet devs recommend. And not only is it not
practical for many new users, it's not very reliable. Because you have
no way to know which of your "friends" are state agents, or informers.

>> and make sure that you
>> encrypt everything, locally and in transit. And if you must peer
>> promiscuously, make sure that you obscure your IP address. Use a VPN, at
>> least. And better, use a VPN plus Tor or I2P.
> 
> 

Re: Decentralized Storage Comparison

[Mirimir]

On 01/30/2019 09:55 AM, Punk wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:39:07 -0500
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> 
>> https://i.redd.it/li4f40slbcd21.jpg
> 
> 
>   so freenet is not listed there, and instead there are a bunch of 
> shitcoins/scams like maidsafe - which has been in 'development' since forever.

Yeah, good point. Say what you want about Freenet, that rabbit just
keeps going. Content gets split into blocks. Blocks are automatically
encrypted in transit, and routed among nodes in a ~random way. Users can
also encrypt local storage and temp files.

And those are all key features of the best distributed storage systems.
What distinguishes them is mainly usability as a filesystem. Such as
FUSE, which Freenet just doesn't do. It's basically ftp.

Also, Freenet in opennet mode is such a fucking deadfall for the
clueless. It's not uncommon for people to install it, come across
extreme child porn, and then freak. And the community seems generally
hostile to the idea of obscuring IP addresses.

However, all of these distributed storage systems are similarly
vulnerable, more or less. You are potentially screwed if an adversary
can 1) peer directly with you, and get your IP address; and 2) send you
file fragments that are (even though encrypted) identifiable by hash or
whatever. If you didn't encrypt locally, they may find bad stuff (even
if only as temp files). And if you did encrypt locally, they may jail
you for contempt unless you reveal the passphrase(s).

So anyway, if you use any of these distributed storage systems, make
sure that you peer only with people you trust, and make sure that you
encrypt everything, locally and in transit. And if you must peer
promiscuously, make sure that you obscure your IP address. Use a VPN, at
least. And better, use a VPN plus Tor or I2P.

Dropgangs, or the future of darknet markets

[Mirimir]

Dropgangs, or the future of dark markets

| Instead of using websites on the darknet, merchants are now
| operating invite-only channels on widely available mobile
| messaging systems like Telegram.
| ...
| The other major change is the use of “dead drops” instead
| of the postal system which has proven vulnerable to tracking
| and interception.
| ...
| Furthermore this method does not require for the customer
| to give any personally identifiable information to the
| merchant, which in turn doesn’t have to safeguard it
| anymore. Less data means less risk for everyone.
| ...
| Instead of the flat hierarchies witnessed with darknet
| markets, merchants today employ hierarchical structures
| again. These consist of procurement layer, sales layer,
| and distribution layer. The people constituting each layer
| usually do not know the identity of the higher layers nor
| are ever in personal contact with them. All interaction
| is digital - messaging systems and cryptocurrencies again,
| product moves only through dead drops.
| ...
| This concept of using messaging, cryptocurrency and dead
| drops even within the merchant structure allows for the
| members within each layer being completely isolated from
| each other, and not knowing anything about higher layers
| at all. There is no trace to follow if a distribution
| layer member is captured while servicing a dead drop.
| He will often not even be distinguishable from a regular
| customer. This makes these structures extremely secure
| against infiltration, takeover and capture. They are
| inherently resilient.
| ...
| If members of such a structure are captured they usually
| have no critical information to share, no information about
| persons, places, times of meeting. No interaction that
| would make this information necessary ever takes place.

https://opaque.link/post/dropgang/

Nice. It's cool to see serious tradecraft applied to this stuff.
Especially compartmentalization.

And yes, using traditional shipping systems is a serious problem for
old-school dark markets. I've thought off and on for several years about
the potential for using dead drops with accurate GPS. I mean,
geocaching. Many years ago, when I was dealing LSD, it was pretty common
to use dead drops. But then, they were typically rental lockers in bus
and train stations.

I agree that ubiquitous surveillance is a problem. However, it's
~clueless customers and low-level distributors who'll most likely get
pwned. And they won't know anything importnt about the operation overall.

Anyway, time will tell.

Re: Where is Coderman?

[Mirimir]

On 01/08/2019 07:13 PM, coderman wrote:
>> So how do we know that you're the same person who used to post from
>> coder...@gmail.com ???
> 
> think of a subject to FOIA, i'll prove it's me ;)

Maybe so.

But damn, if you _are_ coder...@gmail.com, it would have been good to
have an authentication mechanism in place before changing email
providers. Not that Google to ProtonMail is a bad move, of course.

I did look through old list messages, and didn't find anything that
coder...@gmail.com had GnuPG-signed.

But of course, it doesn't really matter ;)

Re: Where is Coderman?

[Mirimir]

On 01/08/2019 04:55 PM, coderman wrote:
> """
> 
> Where is Coderman?
> 
> Searching public database and
> https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/
> shows no record of Martin Peck in prison.
> 
> He filed Court case "Roark v. United States 6:12-cv-01354-MC" at address:
> 27464 SW Vandershuere Road
> Hillsboro, OR 97123
> 
> """
> 
> I don't live there anymore. Please don't use this address as my location.
> 
> Also not dead! :)

So how do we know that you're the same person who used to post from
coder...@gmail.com ???

Re: Privacy -focused Proton Mail is Full of Niggers and jews

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2019 12:26 PM, Winter-chan wrote:
> Pic related.

Just use the bloody onion address. You won't get that challenge. Or at
least, I didn't, the last time that I tested it.

Re: TDO Twitter Account Suspended

[Mirimir]

On 01/04/2019 03:11 PM, Razer wrote:
> WTF is "TDO"? And why should I give fuxs?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/abveuv/the_dark_overlords_twitter_account_tdo_h4ck3rs/

> On January 2, 2019 10:21:16 AM PST, John Young  wrote:
>> TDO Twitter Account Suspended
>>
>> https://twitter.com/tdo_h4ck3rs
> 
> Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
>