Re: rights, nationalism, socialism, racism, authoritarianism, anarchism, and China's groupthink

2020-05-24 Thread Karl
Strong opinions.  Hard to hear coming from a place of trying to value all
cultures.

Zenaan, how do you hold american nationalism with tribal rights of
aboriginal people on the same land?  Our highways and cities make it hard
to hunt bison.

On Sat, May 23, 2020, 3:28 AM Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> China's "nationalism" is not the same as we in the West imagine
> nationalism to be.
>
> There is a group consciousness, and supreme tribalism within the Chinese
> where (almost the complete majority of) Chinese nationals do in fact live
> for the party, the motherland, and most importantly, for all Chinese.
>
> Remember Bruce Lee screaming "I am Chinese!".
>
> Observe how the Chinese in Western lands are aware and watching all around
> them in a way that is quite foreign to most Westerners, as they clamour for
> opportunity.
>
> But this "opportunity" that Chinese people seek is not for the individual
> (the glorious penultimate "individual" direction the Westerner is taught to
> seek), but for his family and his entire (1.5 billion in number) tribe.
>
> Remember the definition of "business" in Chinese: it means "take
> advantage".
>
> The Northern/Nordic tribes necessarily - i.e. for their/our very survival
> - had to work collectively, or the winter had a way of ending your and or
> your family's lives.  For the Chinese it's been a few thousand years of
> "who can grow more rice" than his neighbour, and with ~1.5 billion people,
> competition for very survival.
>
> So a Chinaman abroad is literally seeking resources - new land, food,
> energy etc - for his family and for a billion other people.
>
>Watch: China Expert Warns Communist Regime Unlike Anything "Since The
> Third Reich"
> Cabot Phillips via Campus Reform
>
> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-china-expert-warns-communist-regime-unlike-anything-third-reich
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcD3cD8uFUM
>
>   .. Pointing first to China’s response to COVID-19, Chang called out
> the attempt to place blame on other nations, saying “What we are seeing
> with the coronavirus is an attempt by the Chinese Communist Party to change
> the narrative around the entire world… the virus has an origin in Wuhan.
> Beijing has tried to change that, at times suggesting it came from the
> United States.”
>
>   .. Xi believes China is the world’s only sovereign state.
>
>   .. Chang detailed how their Confucius Institutes “report in reality
> to the Communist Party’s United Front Work Department. That means these are
> attempts to subvert other countries. Why would China spend so much money on
> U.S. campuses? It’s not just because they want to teach the Chinese
> language. They want to put forth narratives and restrict what is said about
> China on American campuses.”
>
>   Pointing out the lack of reciprocity, he noted, “The U.S. is not
> permitted to have institutes like this in China. You don’t have a Lincoln
> Center or Roosevelt Institute… we know that propaganda is absolutely
> critical to totalitarian regimes.” In closing, Chang noted the impact
> political correctness has had on the failure of American colleges and
> universities to call out China’s infiltration efforts.
>
>   “What we’ve seen in the U.S. is political correctness gone wild in
> connection with coronavirus.. where any criticism of China is deemed to be
> xenophobic or creating racism against Chinese Americans. That’s absolutely
> wrong.
>
>   You’ve got to remember that the Chinese regime is deeply racist with
> its Han nationalist ideology. This is something we haven’t quite seen since
> The Third Reich.
>
>   To say criticism of a racist regime is racist is absolutely wrong.
> People have serious concerns about China and we have to have the right to
> have open discussions about it without the name calling.”
>
>
>
>
> Also note that the lack of reciprocity between China and the rest of the
> world extends to many many aspects of our "modern industrialized
> societies", for example land ownership - China has for decades (and still
> to this day) been given an incredibly unfair advantage by our own
> governments (Labour Party in Australia, Democrats in the USA etc) to buy
> any and all land, businesses, buildings etc in our countries, whilst we
> cannot buy "even one matchbox full" of "Chinese" dirt!
>
> A litany of such plainly unfair imbalances exist.
>
> We the White race are literally the minority on this planet - although to
> many it may not seem so.  And in the face of the raging dragon, we have
> lost much, possibly most, of our previous competitive advantages on the
> world stage - namely manufacturing and commerce, which China nowadays
> utterly dominates, and note well, this is "the real economy" which NO
> amount of financialization can ever compensate for in the long term!
>
> We have a right as voluntarily joining collectives under the banner of
> families, states and nations, to protect our culture, and to have
> conversations 

Re: rights, nationalism, socialism, racism, authoritarianism, anarchism, and China's groupthink

2020-05-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 12:20:24PM -0700, Se7en wrote:
> My region of the county has reopened. It is still such a shocking
> thing. I have written the following blurb, which I seek resolution to.
> 
> How much longer are we going to pretend that 1) everything will return
> to normalcy,


Who's pretending everything will return to "normal"?


> and 2) there was no deviation from normalcy?


Who's pretending that?


> How many
> more weeks are we going to pretend that the Dollar has value, and is
> not dead? How long will it be after the election that the
> secessionists will take their action? How long until the Union
> declares war on China? How long until we charge "authorities" for
> lying to the people, and to the President? How long until we forcibly
> disbar members of the press for lying to the American Public about
> official remarks made by the President?
> 
> These are all pressing matters that no one is talking about.


In the minds of some, they might be - are you suggesting some action(s) for 
those willing?


Re: rights, nationalism, socialism, racism, authoritarianism, anarchism, and China's groupthink

2020-05-23 Thread Zig the N.g
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 04:44:21AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Sat, 23 May 2020 17:28:09 +1000
> Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> > China's "nationalism" is not the same as we in the West imagine nationalism 
> > to be.
> > 
> > There is a group consciousness, and supreme tribalism within the Chinese 
> 
> 
>   you can't even find china on the map, fucktard.


Guessing you can find Kenya muh n.ggah :)


Re: rights, nationalism, socialism, racism, authoritarianism, anarchism, and China's groupthink

2020-05-23 Thread Se7en
My region of the county has reopened. It is still such a shocking
thing. I have written the following blurb, which I seek resolution to.

How much longer are we going to pretend that 1) everything will return
to normalcy, and 2) there was no deviation from normalcy? How many
more weeks are we going to pretend that the Dollar has value, and is
not dead? How long will it be after the election that the
secessionists will take their action? How long until the Union
declares war on China? How long until we charge "authorities" for
lying to the people, and to the President? How long until we forcibly
disbar members of the press for lying to the American Public about
official remarks made by the President?

These are all pressing matters that no one is talking about.

On 20-05-23 17:28:09, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> [Snip]

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rights, nationalism, socialism, racism, authoritarianism, anarchism, and China's groupthink

2020-05-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
China's "nationalism" is not the same as we in the West imagine nationalism to 
be.

There is a group consciousness, and supreme tribalism within the Chinese where 
(almost the complete majority of) Chinese nationals do in fact live for the 
party, the motherland, and most importantly, for all Chinese.

Remember Bruce Lee screaming "I am Chinese!".

Observe how the Chinese in Western lands are aware and watching all around them 
in a way that is quite foreign to most Westerners, as they clamour for 
opportunity.

But this "opportunity" that Chinese people seek is not for the individual (the 
glorious penultimate "individual" direction the Westerner is taught to seek), 
but for his family and his entire (1.5 billion in number) tribe.

Remember the definition of "business" in Chinese: it means "take advantage".

The Northern/Nordic tribes necessarily - i.e. for their/our very survival - had 
to work collectively, or the winter had a way of ending your and or your 
family's lives.  For the Chinese it's been a few thousand years of "who can 
grow more rice" than his neighbour, and with ~1.5 billion people, competition 
for very survival.

So a Chinaman abroad is literally seeking resources - new land, food, energy 
etc - for his family and for a billion other people.

   Watch: China Expert Warns Communist Regime Unlike Anything "Since The Third 
Reich"
Cabot Phillips via Campus Reform
   
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-china-expert-warns-communist-regime-unlike-anything-third-reich
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcD3cD8uFUM

  .. Pointing first to China’s response to COVID-19, Chang called out the 
attempt to place blame on other nations, saying “What we are seeing with the 
coronavirus is an attempt by the Chinese Communist Party to change the 
narrative around the entire world… the virus has an origin in Wuhan. Beijing 
has tried to change that, at times suggesting it came from the United States.”

  .. Xi believes China is the world’s only sovereign state.

  .. Chang detailed how their Confucius Institutes “report in reality to 
the Communist Party’s United Front Work Department. That means these are 
attempts to subvert other countries. Why would China spend so much money on 
U.S. campuses? It’s not just because they want to teach the Chinese language. 
They want to put forth narratives and restrict what is said about China on 
American campuses.”

  Pointing out the lack of reciprocity, he noted, “The U.S. is not 
permitted to have institutes like this in China. You don’t have a Lincoln 
Center or Roosevelt Institute… we know that propaganda is absolutely critical 
to totalitarian regimes.” In closing, Chang noted the impact political 
correctness has had on the failure of American colleges and universities to 
call out China’s infiltration efforts.

  “What we’ve seen in the U.S. is political correctness gone wild in 
connection with coronavirus.. where any criticism of China is deemed to be 
xenophobic or creating racism against Chinese Americans. That’s absolutely 
wrong.

  You’ve got to remember that the Chinese regime is deeply racist with its 
Han nationalist ideology. This is something we haven’t quite seen since The 
Third Reich.

  To say criticism of a racist regime is racist is absolutely wrong. People 
have serious concerns about China and we have to have the right to have open 
discussions about it without the name calling.”




Also note that the lack of reciprocity between China and the rest of the world 
extends to many many aspects of our "modern industrialized societies", for 
example land ownership - China has for decades (and still to this day) been 
given an incredibly unfair advantage by our own governments (Labour Party in 
Australia, Democrats in the USA etc) to buy any and all land, businesses, 
buildings etc in our countries, whilst we cannot buy "even one matchbox full" 
of "Chinese" dirt!

A litany of such plainly unfair imbalances exist.

We the White race are literally the minority on this planet - although to many 
it may not seem so.  And in the face of the raging dragon, we have lost much, 
possibly most, of our previous competitive advantages on the world stage - 
namely manufacturing and commerce, which China nowadays utterly dominates, and 
note well, this is "the real economy" which NO amount of financialization can 
ever compensate for in the long term!

We have a right as voluntarily joining collectives under the banner of 
families, states and nations, to protect our culture, and to have conversations 
around all of this - it is not racist to talk about what we as individuals 
(individually and/or collectively) want!

It is not racist to have personal preferences in relation to culture, 
association, and political preferences.

It is not racist to want to maintain a majority of our own race of people IN 
OUR OWN COUNTRY!

The angry dissenters of the world decry every reasonable preference by 
reasonable people as