Re: Assassination Politics AP
> > non-aggressive like farm animal cow/sheep? > > If intoning about self-defense to realtime active inbound > physical violent attack initiated by other against you, > nature law automatically triggers self-defense against that. 'Cept if you overly vaccinated and therefore brain dead, which many today are. Flouridated hypothalamii have similar effect. Combine for firetrucking moron outcomes.
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> non-aggressive like farm animal cow/sheep? If intoning about self-defense to realtime active inbound physical violent attack initiated by other against you, nature law automatically triggers self-defense against that. You're not going to be tapping waiting relying on that AP app when someone's physically on you like that in realtime. And if you have no nature law defense response, or you're suicide-by-initiator, martyr, absolute pacifist, etc... you've got a problem to solve, or have chosen such potential outcomes. That's all off topic. Non-Aggression-Principle (NAP) refers to the self discipline and personal responsibility to, in part, not be an Original Initiator of Force. Look it up. By extension, people that follow the NAP may not want anything to do with an AP system that could serve an OIF. People could certainly discuss the area of NAP and OIF re AP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle AP mechanism might be useful in ending originally initiated attacks and force against others still ongoing, ie physical wars, theft regimes, etc. AP mechanism might be useful in determining and or effecting any possible course of action to intermediate, typically after attack occurs. Such as funding apprehension of the murderer, assailant, theif, fraud, damager, political marionettist, etc, for adjudication, preventive restraint, restitution, restoration, even forgiving, education, indenturement, etc. People could certainly discuss how AP mechanism might be applied to such things (ie: even foregoing AP's often referenced moniker function). Message-ID: <1009121028.6046289.1578602440...@mail.yahoo.com> Surely discuss the area of Opportunity Costs, even as to any faster or effective path to some higher morality... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost And how to solve or have any fair when police, prosecution, judge, defense, lawmaker, corp are all licensed paid and working for govt and selves by design, not you. History does not lie about such setup, you just lose... https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/em8clw/brooklyn_public_defender_scott_hechinger_lays_out/
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> Quietly waiting for AP by Muslim Oswald. Similarly, whereas non-aggression people wouldn't have anything to do with AP, the recent Iran hit by the US underscores that it would be GovCorp Politik creating AP and busy going after each other, even to point of above usage and outcome. They have already done centuries of WANTED: Dead or Alive, and Information Leading To..., and Deck of Cards Kill Lists, and endless hits and hires... all to the point that AP would hardly be far from a natural extension for them to make, and less risky to their image given some of its relatively anon properties, and cheaper by bypassing deep ops expenses.
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> I think in the end, the right way to handle this is to think > creatively and not use assassination as a model at all, but keep the > payout bounty idea. People just have to be more creative at getting > payback. Wait a second, i just realized that I've already implemented this. But I'm not allowed to talk about it. Find the github project JusticeLeague.
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> >I've been thinking about your AP idea, and think rather than make mock > contracts on political "targets", which is a bit incendiary, one could > make headline "bounties" that, if met, get rewarded. Like "CIA > director, X, dies from food poisoning". > > One possibility would be to implement an AP system, but limit the payout for > any one target to a fairly low value, say $1000. (enough to cause a bit of > worry). Then file a lawsuit in Federal Court for an injunction against law > enforcement authorities to demand that the legalities of such a system be > debated and declared. 'They' would have to explain and document why they > thought that such a system was illegal, or admit it would be legal. Having payouts is pretty risky, because they could claim that you aided or abetted a criminal act, but the beauty of using headlines is that you don't have to suggest that anybody get hurt. You/US have to be creative. It puts equal burden on the headline maker to think of something that gets *righteous* payback without actually hurting anyone. AND you get the added bonus of complete separation from the act. I shouldn't have used the example of a CIA director dying of food poisoning, because that could be construed as incentivizing murder (especially if you're offering payouts). I think in the end, the right way to handle this is to think creatively and not use assassination as a model at all, but keep the payout bounty idea. People just have to be more creative at getting payback. Marxos
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On Thursday, January 2, 2020, 01:53:59 PM PST, \0xDynamite wrote: >> >Such platforms being centralized, the implementation > would likely be reported and instantly shutdown. > >> I would think that sociologists and philosophers would be interested to >> know, at least theoretically, how an AP-type system would function, in a >> harmless environment like a game simulation program. >I've been thinking about your AP idea, and think rather than make mock contracts on political "targets", which is a bit incendiary, one could make headline "bounties" that, if met, get rewarded. Like "CIA director, X, dies from food poisoning". One possibility would be to implement an AP system, but limit the payout for any one target to a fairly low value, say $1000. (enough to cause a bit of worry). Then file a lawsuit in Federal Court for an injunction against law enforcement authorities to demand that the legalities of such a system be debated and declared. 'They' would have to explain and document why they thought that such a system was illegal, or admit it would be legal. Jim Bell
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> >Such platforms being centralized, the implementation > would likely be reported and instantly shutdown. > > I would think that sociologists and philosophers would be interested to know, > at least theoretically, how an AP-type system would function, in a harmless > environment like a game simulation program. I've been thinking about your AP idea, and think rather than make mock contracts on political "targets", which is a bit incendiary, one could make headline "bounties" that, if met, get rewarded. Like "CIA director, X, dies from food poisoning". So I've been thinking of a few headline examples: * "Excrement Catapult baffles local police" * "Man arrested for putting testicles on double-parked car downtown." * "Fart panic on flight 403, hysterical cabin threatens landing" * "A sigh of relief for zero casualities as vacated skyskraper plummets 1000'." V * "Crowd screams out of shopping mall after home-made 'stink bomb' fills apparel store" * "'Friendly' christian argument ends in puke brawl" * "Food writers furious after finding semen on their salsbury" * "Routine stop leads to 20 car pileup." * "Rogue drives military tank through LA suburb." V * "Man puzzles customers with labyrinth at IKEA with no way out." V * "Phone lines flood governors's office at rush hour as "reverse graffiti" reveals private phone number at I-20 underpass." * "Man walks into Sunday church, shoots firearm until people are screaming, and walks out." Things like this, make things interesting without involving any death. What do you think? \0xD
Re: Assassination Politics AP (re: Harpers: Click Here to Kill)
> > Perhaps soon you will be able to have a steaming pile dropped > > via drone into your favorite politico's pool, streamed live on dTube :) > > technocractic delusional bullshit coming from a fucktard, or worse. It > should be taken into account that grarpamp 'was' a torbot. It's really easy to see ill intent in others. Unfortunately, it's the angriest that have the staying power - speaking from personal experience. grarpamp has repeatedly expressed on this list the position that the Tor network, though flawed, has certain possibly relevant uses, whilst quite possibly being useless from a save your skin in important situations point of view (helo gunship leaks etc). Now it's also quite possible that in the eons of the misty passages of ere gone historical long lost times, that grarpamp may have made a loose statement about Tor. Plenty of us did back in the day. Perhaps, just possibly, there might be some utility to highlighting the occasional positive about our fellow travellers on this path called life, rather than continue to hammer one another over the negatives... ... just a heart bleedin thought.
Re: Assassination Politics AP (re: Harpers: Click Here to Kill)
The Bankz pwn all ur bitcoinz and the Fedz pwn all ur AP tranzactionz. You work for them and are too stupid greedy to know it. Rr grarpamp wrote: > On 12/17/19, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> and it's all true... > People who study the darknet say the same. > Sanjuro's list was a scam but had actual political figures... > the "politics" part. And of course it will be political entities and > corps and countries going after each other... they have the > money after all... non-aggression people simply won't have > anything to do with it. > And as in the article and darknet... the rest is going to be > people... trying to kill each other, their dogs, their cars, etc... > over basically nothing, and even innocent are going to get hurt. > This is what makes it hard for anyone to recommend. > Yet like the advancement from fists to swords to nukes, > the tool is present and not going away anytime soon. > > Perhaps one way deal with is to make available systems offering > alternative outcomes... use the tech itself to steer some of > those swords towards plowshares... > Crowdfunding reformative measures that don't result in physical > harm... surrounding them or their place in some protest or siege > of love, massive advertising and spot campaigns targeting illdoers, > constant street level interviews, etc... lots of possibilities, including > mailing them mountains of manure.. that's already possible online > today. Perhaps soon you will be able to have a steaming pile dropped > via drone into your favorite politico's pool, streamed live on dTube :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Assassination Politics AP (re: Harpers: Click Here to Kill)
On 12/17/19, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > and it's all true... People who study the darknet say the same. Sanjuro's list was a scam but had actual political figures... the "politics" part. And of course it will be political entities and corps and countries going after each other... they have the money after all... non-aggression people simply won't have anything to do with it. And as in the article and darknet... the rest is going to be people... trying to kill each other, their dogs, their cars, etc... over basically nothing, and even innocent are going to get hurt. This is what makes it hard for anyone to recommend. Yet like the advancement from fists to swords to nukes, the tool is present and not going away anytime soon. Perhaps one way deal with is to make available systems offering alternative outcomes... use the tech itself to steer some of those swords towards plowshares... Crowdfunding reformative measures that don't result in physical harm... surrounding them or their place in some protest or siege of love, massive advertising and spot campaigns targeting illdoers, constant street level interviews, etc... lots of possibilities, including mailing them mountains of manure.. that's already possible online today. Perhaps soon you will be able to have a steaming pile dropped via drone into your favorite politico's pool, streamed live on dTube :)
Re: Assassination Politics AP
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 03:20:58PM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > On 12/21/19, Razer wrote: > > My suggesting is > > take Jim Bell ands his 'assinine-nation politricks' and move to the > > island imagined in Lord of the Flies. May the most murderous child win. > > The murderous child seems almost like an internal problem > among players... mobsters, rivals, enemies, Hatfield McCoy, etc. > That always exists and is relatively self contained. > > Now an Assassination Politics instance operating in either > autonomous mode, or in a "managed" mode for or devolving into > sick bloodsport profit that raptures on humanity's tendencies > therein, a distributively supported TV gameshow straight out > of fiction memes "Let's bid $random human for $20k Alex"... > these modes would have some real problems regarding > innocent people getting originally harmed. > > That's different from say a distributed "fair" Hammurabi Code. > > And different from the original harm happening everyday > news in essentially one on one unrelated and first events. > Not much improvement happens there without lots of > outreach, cultural education, hippie love, etc. > > The bloodsport and actions of Governments and even > Corporations, their force against voluntary choices > following no harm... would surely end as their workers > quit them in droves. > > The question herein is which sport is worse, better, > or more easily solveable or minimized, and by what > means... Govt's or the Gameshow's. > > Does not the potential, and even propensity and or > eventuality for sport (as history shows), make both > Govt and AP very difficult to recommend, and > essentially impossible to recommend as "pure" things. You thought Amrica's Got Talent was the bee's knees? [booming megaphone vegas announcer] WELCOME, niggers and jewgers one and all, to Rome's Got Christians! [canned laughter] Those pesky whitey believers are showing us all which is superior - Lion, or, Christian! [canned laughter] And TONIGHT, we've got a family affair with ... OXYGEN THIEVES ... mom, dad and their 8 year old daughter who WAS CAUGHT, entirely red handed, STEALING two loaves of bread and a can of ... TUNA. [canned cheering] And before we get going with our leonine entertainment [canned cheers], be sure to tune in tomorrow night for ... Hyenas Duel Car Thief! [canned crowd roar] Stay tuned as we go to a quick break...
Assassination Politics AP
On 12/21/19, Razer wrote: > My suggesting is > take Jim Bell ands his 'assinine-nation politricks' and move to the > island imagined in Lord of the Flies. May the most murderous child win. The murderous child seems almost like an internal problem among players... mobsters, rivals, enemies, Hatfield McCoy, etc. That always exists and is relatively self contained. Now an Assassination Politics instance operating in either autonomous mode, or in a "managed" mode for or devolving into sick bloodsport profit that raptures on humanity's tendencies therein, a distributively supported TV gameshow straight out of fiction memes "Let's bid $random human for $20k Alex"... these modes would have some real problems regarding innocent people getting originally harmed. That's different from say a distributed "fair" Hammurabi Code. And different from the original harm happening everyday news in essentially one on one unrelated and first events. Not much improvement happens there without lots of outreach, cultural education, hippie love, etc. The bloodsport and actions of Governments and even Corporations, their force against voluntary choices following no harm... would surely end as their workers quit them in droves. The question herein is which sport is worse, better, or more easily solveable or minimized, and by what means... Govt's or the Gameshow's. Does not the potential, and even propensity and or eventuality for sport (as history shows), make both Govt and AP very difficult to recommend, and essentially impossible to recommend as "pure" things.
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Murder has been around since humanity, same as war and all other concoctions of immoral force initiated, so AP is not really any sort of new news upon the world. Whether it come from Tyrant King, be distributed by "democracy" as "law", or goes down in a back alley, of the intertubes... makes little difference there. And like nuclear weapons, in time someone would have thought it up, and many will attempt to tinker with such gadgets until finding the magic combination that goes boom. Old news. What is interesting is that AP depends on a first proof of concept in order to have any future influence capability. And that each higher level of influence via its own 1st PoC adds efficacy surety to all levels of influence below it. Yet given some experience the world already has with diabolical machines, and AP being such a machine, proving in AP may be unlikely to ever reach murder level, particularly if lower levels are already providing effective influence in widespread fashion upon society... the threat of an already functional system may deter. ie: AP may be no more "scary" than already nukes, kings, governments, law, thugs, etc. And might end up being more moral. Assuming that one of the levels of influence may in fact end up being a murder, consider also that it may be quite unlikely that any sort of anarchist, libertarian, voluntaryist, etc would ever take part in its design and operation due to their superceding belief in the NAP. Alternatively, consider how millions of others in world would surely accept a single instance of proof as necessary to achieve otherwise peaceful influences thereafter. Thus this cohort may be far more likely to be the gadgeteers. In general, consider the various lines of rational or irrational thinking required to actually launch such a device. And that history certainly shows politicians love to develop and launch such colossal weapons against each other. Analysis of AP question seems quite related to nuclear M.A.D. question, game theory, etc.
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> How in the holy Universe would one ever distinguish that this "system" over > time was working anymore than random chance? The system itself must be publicly accessible so that anons can fund different corrective, rehabilitative, warning and a variety of other goals and levels as needed. Predictors come from all walks and must be able to see the board to select their jobs. The predictions must also be public in order for the awarders to hand out to matching predictors. Funders need to see correct awards to trust putting their funds into new objectives. And any derivatives layer would also need everything public. Predictions could be private if an AI factbot is awarding to the correct predictor. And news media would cover changes of heart in high profile figures anyways. Initially, until a new far lower equilibrium count is reached, politicians and evil corp types will be resigning in large numbers. Given effectively zero of them resign in history, that will be more than random. Other than identities, locations, fintech, the system is open. > Also, what is the difference between your system that Assassinates > Politicians and a duplicate system in which one donates small amounts of cash > to sway peoples opinions away from said politicians views, call it > Political(instead of Character) Assassination. The former solves the problem at the source by modifying the selected person etc, the latter tries to route around them which may have limited success. > death? Anyone who understands how AP works will know that even the most stubborn target will stand down well before then. You should make some budget estimates on how much it might take for various type of people in various roles to wise up and correct their ways before then. > encryption breaks and your "anonymity" just went out the window. Security is rarely a function on a single variable S(x). And most breaks are not in the cryptography itself.
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http://www.cynikal.net/users/baptista/ https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.joebaptista.com/Assassination_Politics/ https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.joebaptista.com/AP/ PAM, WIKIPEDIA A Farewell to Arms?, Horsewood R., Geopolitical Risk Futures - What the Creators Envisioned Prediction Markets, Wolfers J., Zitzewitz E., 19 November 2003 PAM: "Market in Death" Or Your Next Decision Support Tool?, Net Exchange, 9 September 2003 DARPA's Policy Analysis Market for Intelligence: Outside the Box or Off the Wall?, Looney R., 2 September 2003 PAM Notice, July 2003 PAM: An Electronic Commerce Application of a Combinatorial Information Market, Polk C., Hanson R., Ledyard J., and Ishikida T., June 2003 On Idea Futures, Eudoxa Policy Study #2, 2003 The Organizations Behind PAM, Net Exchange, 2003 The Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite (IMPS), Christey S., 1 April 2000 Wired_News, 14 April 2000 J. Bell Nomination, Chrysler Award for Innovation in Design, JYA/URBAN DEADLINE, 11 July 1998 AP Protocol, Bell J., 3 April 1997 The CYPHERNOMICON: Cypherpunks FAQ and More, Version 0.666 May T., 10 September 1994 In 1995 I warned the Internet was a dangerous place and predicted "you can use the Internet to disrupt economies". Back then my predictions were dismissed as kooky. Today the use of computers and Internet to conduct warfare is common practice. Our reliance and dependance on technology is not an asset. It is a long term liability. The Loonie Death List ... the revolution is here: is your list ready? "I promise to pay the assassin who executes a civil servant, politician, or elite on my list one loonie" -- by Joe Baptista, a critical examination of political satire and law. The law that applies to the Loonie Death List is R. v. Batista, 2008 ONCA 804 https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2008/2008onca804/2008onca804.html Instructions to my lawyer Agent Mooseman https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.joebaptista.com/loonieDeathList/mylawyer/agent-mooseman-fax.pdf Instructions to my civil servants https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.joebaptista.com/loonieDeathList/cctrolls/civil-service-latin-lessons-feb3-2011-1.txt Comming soon .. the list of exemptions .. starring ... and inclusions ... starring Assassination Politics FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY CIA approved and tested AP or "Assassination Politics": Definition an imaginative and sophisticated protocol for improving governmental accountability by way of anonymous, untraceable political assassinations. It is an intricately designed system to enhance public influence on government. AP uses encryption, untraceable digital cash, anonymous communication, algorithmicly complex wagering and other unique technologies developed on the Internet. Essentially AP is a death lottery where civil servants and politicians are the candidates. This page dedicated to Jim Bell who designed assassination politics. Jim Bell, photo by Declan McCullagh
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> critique https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOr5FCWzFU
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Re: Assassination Politics AP
On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 01:38:57AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > A lot of the funds in AP will be claimed early on by > reeducators, counselors, activists, video stars. > These people will be knocking on their doors > and saying "look, you've got $100 on your > head, quit being an asshole", $500 a whole > day conversation, $1500 a week worth of > boot camp, $3000 a stay in rehab, $50 for > a mound of shit on the door, whatever. > The executor posts the interaction video > and claims the reward. An AP system > can have many stops before ever reaching > the final level. It -is- very good that the car theft problem will eventually (by the final level) be solved, if not immediately.
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A lot of the funds in AP will be claimed early on by reeducators, counselors, activists, video stars. These people will be knocking on their doors and saying "look, you've got $100 on your head, quit being an asshole", $500 a whole day conversation, $1500 a week worth of boot camp, $3000 a stay in rehab, $50 for a mound of shit on the door, whatever. The executor posts the interaction video and claims the reward. An AP system can have many stops before ever reaching the final level.
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> I think it's now obvious that if my Assassination Politics > idea https://cryptome.org/ap.htm was operating today, lying JOURNALISTS > would be its initial, primary target. As well as, admittedly, ALL > But once they all learned > things would calm down immensely. Ladies and gents, now folks, right here we've got the latest and best brought from long travels over the Ancient East, why it's AP!... the perfect cure for all today's ailments! Only a few clicks and $9.95 worth of crypto away. No wager too small, no influence too great. A few satoshis every day and you too can enjoy wielding the awesome threat levelling power of even the biggest baddest governments and nasties around. Revenuers pissing you off? Politicians lying out their ass? Road ragers giving you static? Neighbor's dog busting your sleep? Wars getting real old? No worries mate, this one tool fits them all! Not only does it offer bulletproof anonymyity, it's also guaranteed for life. And now, with runoff allocation and funds timeout, you pay nothing until the deed is done. Supply of early adopters is limited to the first 1k participants, so step right up, get and predict yours today. Hardass motherfuckers are standing by worldwide waiting to execute your order... Call now! > emoticon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOfIdGlyX5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFbCGT_AWBI
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Jim Bell's comments, inline: On Friday, November 1, 2019, 12:45:10 PM PDT, grarpamp wrote: On 11/1/19, jim bell wrote: > A few years ago, I heard of a new version of the "Grand Theft Auto" program, > maybe it was 'version 5', that was going to have an "assassination contract" > feature built in. I didn't, and don't, know anything else > But it seemed to me that video games, especially modern ones, tend to lend > themselves to immerse players in a modern, semi-realistic environment. If > we want to learn as much as possible about the behavior of people with > access to "assassination contract" scenarios, I assume it should occur in > such games. What could have been learned, I never checked out. >There are MMORPGs, Second Life, many other sim platforms AP could be introduced on. Both in form of the raw text, such as added to the virtual world libraries, posted on virtual lightpoles, etc. And as a functional implementation, whether in a virtual market or embodied into a players character. >Such platforms being centralized, the implementation would likely be reported and instantly shutdown. I would think that sociologists and philosophers would be interested to know, at least theoretically, how an AP-type system would function, in a harmless environment like a game simulation program. "The raw text of AP might survive a bit longer. I'd like to relate a story. One time, maybe it was 1998 or 2000, I was released from prison, and I saw a copy of what purported to be my AP essay, somewhere on the Internet. But it was VERY different! By different, I mean very large numbers of spelling errors, punctuation errors, and other blatant defects. Now, I've long prided myself on being very precise and good at checking my work: There are VERY few errors in the (correct) archive of AP on John Young's Cryptome system. They exist, I think most are actually my errors, but are very few. (I didn't use a word-processor when I wrote AP, just a lot of care.) Most are not spelling errors, or punctuation errors, but they are broken sentences that somehow slipped by. One exception was the seemiing substitution of "evolutionary" for the obviously-correct "revolutionary" at the beginning of Part 2. I couldn't possibly have MEANT "evolutionary"! Particularly in that obvious context. And I didn't. Where that error came from, I have no idea. I don't doubt that it's NOT John Young's fault, and I haven't ever asked him to change anything about that version of AP, either. It obviously came to him in a state of error. How did that initial error occur? Its now a historic document, and editing it now would be...wrong. But that doesn't mean that I haven't been intensely curious, for many years, where that "evolutionary" came from. It would have appeared on the CP list, initially, presumably sometime in July 1995, which is another reason I want to see the initial appearance of Part 2. I hope, I virtually pray, that I DIDN'T screw it up and type "evolutionary" instead of "revolutionary". It simply doesn't make sense to say it that way. I once sent a 5-page letter to journalist Andy Greenberg of Forbes, https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/#51d2df2c3d9b which I had typed on a prison typewriter (with a correcting ribbon, but no automatic spell-check at all). Later, Greenberg wrote a book, as I recall, where he relates receiving my letter, describing it as being "virtually without errors". As if that was supposed to be shocking. I was disgusted. Having said that, I wondered where that hugely-defective version purporting to be AP came from? And more importantly, I thought, WHO generated it, and WHY? I concluded that somebody was crudely trying to discredit me. The errors that were in the 'faked' AP did not appear to be those that would be generated by OCR'ing a paper-copy of AP, for instance. (Such would have been obvious, to anyone familiar with using OCR programs on printed text.) And even during that era, the vast majority of document-writing would have been done on word-processors with spelling checkers that would be automatically enabled, by default. And most people would use them. (I've always used spelling checkers, when I've used them, as a mere typo-detector.) So even a bad-typist wouldn't have generate that faked document, unless he had been deliberately doing so. >The main issue with such proposal as AP, as you noted, is getting exposure needed to run it through the critique and development cycles. At this point, I think the discovery of the fraud of tampering with the CP archive could be further, additional proof of the government's malicious intent, I don't doubt that there could be some innocent data-loss, but based on what we now see, that virtually cannot be all of it. >For that you have to keep reposting AP everywhere...
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On 11/1/19, jim bell wrote: > A few years ago, I heard of a new version of the "Grand Theft Auto" program, > maybe it was 'version 5', that was going to have an "assassination contract" > feature built in. I didn't, and don't, know anything else > But it seemed to me that video games, especially modern ones, tend to lend > themselves to immerse players in a modern, semi-realistic environment. If > we want to learn as much as possible about the behavior of people with > access to "assassination contract" scenarios, I assume it should occur in > such games. What could have been learned, I never checked out. There are MMORPGs, Second Life, many other sim platforms AP could be introduced on. Both in form of the raw text, such as added to the virtual world libraries, posted on virtual lightpoles, etc. And as a functional implementation, whether in a virtual market or embodied into a players character. Such platforms being centralized, the implementation would likely be reported and instantly shutdown. The raw text of AP might survive a bit longer. The main issue with such proposal as AP, as you noted, is getting exposure needed to run it through the critique and development cycles. For that you have to keep reposting AP everywhere... literally jamming it into peoples streams randomly throughout social media, news releases, journals, etc until a large enough mass starts to pick it up and work with it in their brains. Same as suggesting there is any truth out there besides the fake two party duopolies, etc... such as Libertarian Voluntary Anarchist models. Regardless of how valid the latter may in fact be, they are immediately dismissed because they are so far outside the everyday exposure and programmed computation modes of their brains. To counter that programming you have to either get lucky with a starburst logic bomb, or invest much traditional school time equivalent in reprogramming them. For example... the public conferences and interviews AP has done recently have had more public exposure effects towards that than all posts here to date.
Re: Assassination Politics AP
On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 11:35:03 PM PDT, grarpamp wrote: >> limited funds >The first number of successful AP influences (proving runs) might be performed via AP boards that allow users to specify runoff of their donations, but that do not show that computation to potential predictors. Such that the influence funds shown as available to predictors might put every target of influence at the same rate, or at least raise the apparent reward for all targets across the board on average given the variety of runoff donations expected. >This might give the initial handful of proving predictors equal incentive to prove the system. ie: Whereas a pool of willing predictors might not be in regional proximity to the hot targets, this could also serve to level that out, if again, helpful for the proving case. Similar to leveling soft and hard targets into easier proofs. On the other hand, such runoff and or levelling systems may be seen as artificial market regulations that should not be implemented. A few years ago, I heard of a new version of the "Grand Theft Auto" program, maybe it was 'version 5', that was going to have an "assassination contract" feature built in. I didn't, and don't, know anything else: My video-game playing days virtually ended about 1997, and I didn't play anything more modern later, (I can remember when Doom I was thought of as "realistic".) But it seemed to me that video games, especially modern ones, tend to lend themselves to immerse players in a modern, semi-realistic environment. If we want to learn as much as possible about the behavior of people with access to "assassination contract" scenarios, I assume it should occur in such games. What could have been learned, I never checked out.
Assassination Politics AP
> limited funds The first number of successful AP influences (proving runs) might be performed via AP boards that allow users to specify runoff of their donations, but that do not show that computation to potential predictors. Such that the influence funds shown as available to predictors might put every target of influence at the same rate, or at least raise the apparent reward for all targets across the board on average given the variety of runoff donations expected. This might give the initial handful of proving predictors equal incentive to prove the system. ie: Whereas a pool of willing predictors might not be in regional proximity to the hot targets, this could also serve to level that out, if again, helpful for the proving case. Similar to leveling soft and hard targets into easier proofs. On the other hand, such runoff and or levelling systems may be seen as artificial market regulations that should not be implemented.
