Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
> are you sure the satellites from that time had *radar* at 6 meters > resolution? Weren't they just optical? Jim's wikipedia ref and links above cover that. Here's another SAR dataset... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Radar_Topography_Mission Paid for with money stolen from US "taxpayers" and the best 30m data witheld as CLASSIFIED as further insult upon the payers as the true owners for 14 years. The US Govt (NGIA) doesn't release stuff like that unless it's: beyond lifetime dead, or under heavy political / humanitarian pressure, or long surpassed by public tech... the likely case here. Quasi commercial radar imaging seems now at or better than 1m. Optical is said to be better. TOP SECRET of either... you're beyond fucked. Here's a few more... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceborne_Imaging_Radar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Spaceborne_Thermal_Emission_and_Reflection_Radiometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TopSat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraSAR-X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TanDEM-X "Seasat was able to detect the wakes of submerged submarines, a discovery not anticipated before launch.[8] The conspiracy theory holds that once this was discovered, the military shut SEASAT down, with a cover story of a power supply short."
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:16:06 -0500 grarpamp wrote: > https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45523677 > https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA01721 > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226843737_Continuing_inflation_at_Three_Sisters_volcanic_center_central_Oregon_Cascade_Range_USA_from_GPS_leveling_and_InSAR_observations > > > This particular satellite is said to have a resolution of 6 meters. > > Nobody is going to waste their money launching a pathetic 6m toy > that doesn't even match 1990s - 2001 tech. are you sure the satellites from that time had *radar* at 6 meters resolution? Weren't they just optical? > Today's rigs could surely > be expected at 60cm to commercial NDA customers, and maybe even > at 6cm yeah the 6 meter resolution figure isn't to be trusted at all but what I think is 'new' here is that this is 3D imaging radar, not ordinary photography. > > Keep in mind this was the "low cost" public facade version of > greater Beasts A Marking already been launched before, > and more to come... > > "We've done lots of work on the next generation. NovaSAR is just the > first in a family of instruments that will offer different > capabilities, such as finer resolutions and other parameters; and we > will be putting those capabilities on smaller spacecraft than > NovaSAR." > The satellite, as *presently* configured, will operate in the S-band > (3.2 gigahertz), giving a best resolution of 6m with a swath width of > 15-20km. lol, so wavelength at 3.2 gigacycles is what? Oh yes, 10cm... > Future variants will go to the higher-frequency X-band and > sense features on the ground as small as a metre across, *and less*. but it will be used to save the whales! And the children from 'sex abuse'. > > And that the article comes from the BBC, which is solely > licensed and permitted to run at the whim and criminal > tax of the self perpetuating UK Government... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC > > The first free live public broadcast from Marconi took place in June > 1920, this public enthusiasm was not shared in official circles where > such broadcasts were held to interfere with important military > communications. Pressure from these quarters was sufficient to lead to > a ban on further free Marconi broadcasts. > > The cost of a television licence is set by the government and enforced > by the criminal law. Thus, the BBC is a major prosecuting authority in > England and Wales and an investigating authority in the UK as a whole. > The BBC carries out surveillance (mostly using subcontractors) on > properties (under the auspices of the RIPA Regulation of Investigatory > Powers Act 2000) and may conduct searches of a property using a search > warrant. > > To this day, the BBC aims to follow the directive to "inform, educate > and entertain" the Sheeple, aka "propaganda, program and distract" > > "Auntie Imperial" is right. > > > > Can't imagine "anti-freedom" applications for SAR... > > > designers specifically want to see if it can help monitor shipping activity. > > the data it provides can help crack problems from illegal shipping > > aka: Free Markets and Free Payments amongst peoples of humanity > > > much smaller pleasure craft. We can certainly see that they are there. One > > of the main objectives of NovSAR will be maritime surveillance > > Of course... with private and charter craft being the only > remaining cheap and easy way for free peoples to travel > speak and live freely together across broad waters without > being tracked, and then censored via torpedo to swim with > the fishes. > > > "It is important to be able to monitor large areas of the ocean - something > > we don't do at the moment. We all saw with the Malaysian airline crash in > > the Indian Ocean the difficulty there was in monitoring that vast area. We > > can do that kind of thing with radar and NovaSAR is good for that," > > Won't someone please think of the children. > > They trot that shit out everywhere they can, > even for a simple fucking satellite. > > The drugs, terrorists, crime... > FHOTI -- Tim May > > > Known as S1-4, this optical spacecraft will discern objects on the ground > > as small as 87cm across > > Trouble always comes in twos. > > > Here's a link mentioning a bit more about the UK's purposes... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntkYbnokARA
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 16:26:43 -0500 Steve Kinney wrote: > NovaSAR-S makes primitive but useful LandSat functions available to > organizations working on shoestring budgets. NovaSAR-S shift the > balance of power in the electronic warfare terrain toward some > "underdog" players, LMAO - what the fuck. I candidly admit I didn't even bother checking Jim's link in the first place since I can't stomach the sort of garbage teh BBC vomits BUT now I did and here's Jim's own BBC propaganda : "Its pictures are now being assessed for use in diverse applications, including MARITIME SURVEILLANCE" "NovaSAR is seeing not only large vessels but also much smaller pleasure craft." "The satellite is equipped with a receiver that can pick up Automatic Identification System (AIS) radio signals. " Vessels that tamper with or disable these messages very often are engaged in smuggling or illegal fishing activity. If such ships appear in NovaSAR's radar pictures, they will be reported to the authorities. " Of course, exactly like I said, the purpose of the 'technology' is the further enslavement of mankind.
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
>> Probably an inside joke on 21M BTC as well. >> Though it will probably be Cryptocurrency and >> even Metals that get the last laugh. >> Consider that Cryptocurrency AnCap's have and will have >> enough resources to launch their own satellites soon. > NovaSAR-S makes primitive but useful LandSat functions available to > organizations working on shoestring budgets. NovaSAR-S shift the > balance of power in the electronic warfare terrain toward some > "underdog" players, by eroding intelligence (Earth imaging) monopolies > presently held by the world's most powerful organizations. It's not the tools, but those who you foolishly put in power and stupidly let use them over you.
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45523677 https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA01721 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226843737_Continuing_inflation_at_Three_Sisters_volcanic_center_central_Oregon_Cascade_Range_USA_from_GPS_leveling_and_InSAR_observations > This particular satellite is said to have a resolution of 6 meters. Nobody is going to waste their money launching a pathetic 6m toy that doesn't even match 1990s - 2001 tech. Today's rigs could surely be expected at 60cm to commercial NDA customers, and maybe even at 6cm to their UK MOD government bosses that OP article clearly states paid £21M for spy surveillance and control rights just to "see its offerings". Probably an inside joke on 21M BTC as well. Though it will probably be Cryptocurrency and even Metals that get the last laugh. Consider that Cryptocurrency AnCap's have and will have enough resources to launch their own satellites soon. Keep in mind this was the "low cost" public facade version of greater Beasts A Marking already been launched before, and more to come... "We've done lots of work on the next generation. NovaSAR is just the first in a family of instruments that will offer different capabilities, such as finer resolutions and other parameters; and we will be putting those capabilities on smaller spacecraft than NovaSAR." The satellite, as *presently* configured, will operate in the S-band (3.2 gigahertz), giving a best resolution of 6m with a swath width of 15-20km. Future variants will go to the higher-frequency X-band and sense features on the ground as small as a metre across, *and less*. And that the article comes from the BBC, which is solely licensed and permitted to run at the whim and criminal tax of the self perpetuating UK Government... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC The first free live public broadcast from Marconi took place in June 1920, this public enthusiasm was not shared in official circles where such broadcasts were held to interfere with important military communications. Pressure from these quarters was sufficient to lead to a ban on further free Marconi broadcasts. The cost of a television licence is set by the government and enforced by the criminal law. Thus, the BBC is a major prosecuting authority in England and Wales and an investigating authority in the UK as a whole. The BBC carries out surveillance (mostly using subcontractors) on properties (under the auspices of the RIPA Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000) and may conduct searches of a property using a search warrant. To this day, the BBC aims to follow the directive to "inform, educate and entertain" the Sheeple, aka "propaganda, program and distract" "Auntie Imperial" is right. > Can't imagine "anti-freedom" applications for SAR... > designers specifically want to see if it can help monitor shipping activity. > the data it provides can help crack problems from illegal shipping aka: Free Markets and Free Payments amongst peoples of humanity > much smaller pleasure craft. We can certainly see that they are there. One of > the main objectives of NovSAR will be maritime surveillance Of course... with private and charter craft being the only remaining cheap and easy way for free peoples to travel speak and live freely together across broad waters without being tracked, and then censored via torpedo to swim with the fishes. > "It is important to be able to monitor large areas of the ocean - something > we don't do at the moment. We all saw with the Malaysian airline crash in the > Indian Ocean the difficulty there was in monitoring that vast area. We can do > that kind of thing with radar and NovaSAR is good for that," Won't someone please think of the children. They trot that shit out everywhere they can, even for a simple fucking satellite. The drugs, terrorists, crime... FHOTI -- Tim May > Known as S1-4, this optical spacecraft will discern objects on the ground as > small as 87cm across Trouble always comes in twos. Here's a link mentioning a bit more about the UK's purposes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntkYbnokARA
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On 11/24/18 1:51 PM, juan wrote: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:00:23 + (UTC) > jim bell wrote: > >> NovaSAR:. First all-UK SAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellite sends back >> images. [...] > I guess that kind of news is rather important for cypherpunks because > of the "know your enemy" principle. vs. "Know your terrain," which includes many new (to human experience) overlays generated by sensors and communications networks. On the other hand, other than being a really cool ham radio project (I would describe it as almost literally that) what's the new radar satellite actually used for? https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/n/novasar-s quote: NovaSAR-S provides medium resolution (6-30 m) imagery ideal for applications in the following fields: - flood monitoring - agricultural crop assessment - forest monitoring (temperate and rain forest) - land use mapping - disaster management - maritime applications (e.g. ship detection, oil spill monitoring, maritime safety, and security of defence applications). /quote In terms of this gadget's potential for military and State Security purposes, that's almost laughable: A flyswatter vs. laser guided artillery rounds comparison fits the case of comparing NovaSAR-S to military sensor packages. NovaSAR-S makes primitive but useful LandSat functions available to organizations working on shoestring budgets. NovaSAR-S shift the balance of power in the electronic warfare terrain toward some "underdog" players, by eroding intelligence (Earth imaging) monopolies presently held by the world's most powerful organizations. :o) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:00:23 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > NovaSAR:. First all-UK SAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellite sends back > images. "The Pentagon's Rampaging Surveillance Blimp Will Fly Again" http://fortune.com/2016/02/16/rampaging-blimp-will-fly-again/ "U.S. border patrol flies huge blimps with low-altitude radar to detect drones trying to cross border" https://www.recode.net/2016/11/8/13566270/wall-drones-border-control-mexico-drugs-blimp
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:58:32 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > On Saturday, November 24, 2018, 10:51:29 AM PST, juan > wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:00:23 + (UTC) > jim bell wrote: > > >> NovaSAR:. First all-UK SAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellite sends back > >> images. > > > > amazing new tool for the complete enslavement of the human race, thanks > to western fascist 'science' > > > I guess that kind of news is rather important for cypherpunks because of > >the "know your enemy" principle. > > > Before you spout your paranoia, wow - very disappointing. You might want to think before displaying such a kneejerk reaction when confronted with reality. > you should be aware that SAR has been used since the 1960's, so? I didn't make a comment on any specific date. "new tool" was sarcasm referring to the fact that when advertising garbage, it's usually described as "new and improved". > We can try to imagine how SAR can be used for "the complete enslavement of > the human race", but nevertheless I don't see very much, even when I turn my > "paranoid-mode" dial up to "11". wow - you are trying to mock your betters and only mocking yourself =) - The phenomenom is known as "involuntary self parody". > This particular satellite is said to have a resolution of 6 meters. It's > hard for me to imagine how being able to detect voxels (3-D pixels) of 6 > meter on a side, from space, could enable "the complete enslavement of the > human race". your lack of imagination isn't an argument though. It's more like the "argumentum ad ignoramtiam" fallacy. you might want to consider that the resolution will be improved, for starters. > It can detect buried artillery emplacements, such as those of North Korea, LMAO at the right wing war propaganda. > > It can be used to detect bulging of a few inches height, I thought you said the resolution was 6 meters? > I don't claim (and it would be foolish to claim) that there are no > "anti-freedom" applications for SAR. But I cannot imagine many of those, > compared to the others. In other words, you completely miss the point? Now, let's ignore reality and follow the bullshit 'progressive' propaganda about how amazing 'technology' is. WHY should crypto anarchists care about it? What kind of anarchist or libertarian gives a fuck about the 'applications' you listed?
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On Saturday, November 24, 2018, 10:51:29 AM PST, juan wrote: On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:00:23 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: >> NovaSAR:. First all-UK SAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellite sends back >> images. > amazing new tool for the complete enslavement of the human race, thanks to western fascist 'science' > I guess that kind of news is rather important for cypherpunks because of >the "know your enemy" principle. Before you spout your paranoia, you should be aware that SAR has been used since the 1960's, and was actually conceived in 1951. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic-aperture_radar It is enormously useful, and became much more practical as computer technology advanced, especially in the 1980's. (it is necessary to turn thousands of individual radar-returns into a 2-D or 3-D image, a process that became far easier with the advent of high-speed computers in the 1970s.) We can try to imagine how SAR can be used for "the complete enslavement of the human race", but nevertheless I don't see very much, even when I turn my "paranoid-mode" dial up to "11". This particular satellite is said to have a resolution of 6 meters. It's hard for me to imagine how being able to detect voxels (3-D pixels) of 6 meter on a side, from space, could enable "the complete enslavement of the human race". It could detect the existence of houses and cars, but those items have been detectable from space since the 1970's using optical satellites. It can detect buried artillery emplacements, such as those of North Korea, but the average ordinary citizen doesn't have buried artillery emplacements. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9315/this-is-how-america-keeps-watch-over-north-korea-from-the-sky In the 1990's, space-shuttle-based SAR was used to identify the ancient city of Ubar, found primarily by noticing the lines on the map produced by hundreds of years of wagon-wheel compaction of the deserts, which could be identified and imaged under feet of sand. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA01721 It can be used to detect bulging of a few inches height, over an area of tens or hundreds of square miles, such as was done over a place called Sisters, Oregon, starting in 2001. Google 'Sisters Oregon SAR magma bulge' for some details. One resulthttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/226843737_Continuing_inflation_at_Three_Sisters_volcanic_center_central_Oregon_Cascade_Range_USA_from_GPS_leveling_and_InSAR_observations× The underwater analog of SAR is called "side-scan sonar", which was developed in the late 1970's and 1980's by (among others) Harold Edgerton, late professor-emeritus at MIT. This can be used to accurately map seabeds, as was used in the recent successful search for that Argentine submarine that sank about a year ago. (and in the as-yet unsuccessful search for that missing Maylaysia aircraft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370 Very cheap sonar imagers are apparently available for boating use. https://www.boatingmag.com/using-side-scan-sonar I don't claim (and it would be foolish to claim) that there are no "anti-freedom" applications for SAR. But I cannot imagine many of those, compared to the others. Jim Bell
Re: BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:00:23 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > NovaSAR:. First all-UK SAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellite sends back > images. amazing new tool for the complete enslavement of the human race, thanks to western fascist 'science' I guess that kind of news is rather important for cypherpunks because of the "know your enemy" principle.
BBC News: NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images
NovaSAR:. First all-UK SAR (synthetic aperture radar) satellite sends back images. NovaSAR: UK radar satellite returns first images - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46312874
