Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-09 Thread Razer
On 09/09/2016 10:05 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > You say you are going to 'tell you EXACTLY WHY he's "gone all hermit with a > gun"' and then ... you don't. You say it has something to do with > gentrification. That's not a why unless you've already established why > someone should be

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-09 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/9/16 7:42 AM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/08/2016 11:42 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> And why do you think it was unfair? > > Simply? Because you don't have the vaguest fucking idea where I've been > or what I know. Troll. None of that matters if you can't have a civil and coherent

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-09 Thread Cypher Piggie
> You think that qualifies as ridicule? I should introduce you to my > ex-wife. You wouldn't last five minutes. there is asshole abuser named juanTROLL that need have his balls SMASHed put back inside him by femdom, please put EX of yours and him in contact he is juan@gmail.com

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-09 Thread Razer
On 09/08/2016 11:42 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > > And why do you think it was unfair? Simply? Because you don't have the vaguest fucking idea where I've been or what I know. Troll. Rr "You are a liar. Which way did you go? By what rivers? By what lakes? Who went with you? Give him to

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-09 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/8/16 6:49 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Stephen, a hint: when real men realise they have ridiculed someone > unfairly, for example with shit like this: > >>> Do you suffer from some version of, as my friend used to say, "post >>> 1960's perception disorder"? You think that qualifies as

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-08 Thread Razer
On 09/08/2016 06:49 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Stephen, a hint: when real men realise they have ridiculed someone > unfairly, for example with shit like this: > >>> Do you suffer from some version of, as my friend used to say, "post >>> 1960's perception disorder"? Actually, I'm one of those

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-08 Thread Cypher Piggie
> pricks, CIA shills, and trolls you mean juan the usa citizen

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Stephen, a hint: when real men realise they have ridiculed someone unfairly, for example with shit like this: > > Do you suffer from some version of, as my friend used to say, "post > > 1960's perception disorder"? they apologise. Power tripping pricks, CIA shills, wanna be list censors and

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-06 Thread Tom
On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 08:18:58PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > We don't have those pay cheques, and we are the target of the system and > those who control the system Nope. The "system" doesn't care about you. You're just a number, if anyting. - Tom

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-06 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 06:27:47PM -0300, juan wrote: > On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:21:09 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > > > Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some > > or all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. > >

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-06 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 02:03:18PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > On 9/5/16 1:24 PM, John Young wrote: > > Also Eric Hughes: A Cypherpunk's Manifesto, 9 March 1993 > > > > http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html > Yes, I should have included that link. Let's call it [EricCM]. I

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-06 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Absolutely stunning insights! Thank you so much John (and of course Eric Hughes). On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 04:24:14PM -0400, John Young wrote: > Also Eric Hughes: A Cypherpunk's Manifesto, 9 March 1993 > > http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html > > Understanding distinction between

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-06 Thread oshwm
Still trying to figure out if (when i signed up to this list) i came to the house party in the crypto ghetto or Bruce Schneier's dinner party. I know which i'd prefer :) On 6 September 2016 05:15:39 GMT+01:00, "Александр" wrote: >2016-09-05 22:44 GMT+03:00 Razer

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Александр
2016-09-05 22:44 GMT+03:00 Razer : > > Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or > > all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. > > > He's saying it with his LIFE dude. Maybe you need to get one too? Oh, this one was

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/5/16 6:38 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/05/2016 01:05 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 9/5/16 12:44 PM, Razer wrote: >>> On 09/05/2016 12:21 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or all cases, it doesn't say it in his

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Razer
On 09/05/2016 02:27 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:21:09 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > > >> Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some >> or all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. > > > That is

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Razer
On 09/05/2016 01:05 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > On 9/5/16 12:44 PM, Razer wrote: >> >> On 09/05/2016 12:21 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>> Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or >>> all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. >> >>

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread juan
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:21:09 -0700 "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some > or all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. That is of course just crazy lies on your part. My

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/5/16 1:24 PM, John Young wrote: > Also Eric Hughes: A Cypherpunk's Manifesto, 9 March 1993 > > http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html Yes, I should have included that link. Let's call it [EricCM]. I just reread it a day or two ago. My short statement is an attempt to condense

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread John Young
Also Eric Hughes: A Cypherpunk's Manifesto, 9 March 1993 http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html Understanding distinction between privacy and secrecy is essential, for it is secrecy that corrupts in all its forms and is totally hostile to privacy, and true privacy totally hostile to

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/5/16 12:44 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/05/2016 12:21 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or >> all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. > > He's saying it with his LIFE dude. Maybe you need to get one

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Razer
On 09/05/2016 12:21 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > > Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or > all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. He's saying it with his LIFE dude. Maybe you need to get one too? Ps. I've met Tim in passing

Cypherpunks Charter

2016-09-05 Thread Stephen D. Williams
(Apologies for rehashing this, but it seems a good time to make another pass at consensus.) This is how I always thought about the Cypherpunks charter: Cypherpunks exists to promote free speech, establish that free speech includes the freedom to have secure private speech, and to explore how