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2016-09-13 Thread Cypher Piggie
> Don't believe me? Stop obeying the police's orders, resist their > 'authority' and see how fast you get killed. stop abusing ppl on list u TROLL or see how fast u get doxed

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2016-09-13 Thread Cypher Piggie
of course not because 'america' is not a country u weaselword cumdodging USA Citizen abusive TROLL what cant offer shit but shit on a stick

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2016-09-13 Thread Ben Tasker
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Razer wrote: > > > Well, I found my 4s in the gutter in the showers before a rainstorm and > rescued it. You wouldn't believe how many people lose them and never > bother looking. Their insurance, or 'upgrade plan' resolves it. I waited > THREE

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2016-09-13 Thread Razer
On 09/12/2016 07:56 PM, juan wrote: > >> > Sent from my iPhone > Sent from your iphone huh. That would be a pretty expensive > piece of crap used by rich people and snobs.. Well, I found my 4s in the gutter in the showers before a rainstorm and rescued it. You wouldn't believe

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2016-09-13 Thread Razer
On 09/12/2016 11:29 PM, oshwm wrote: > PsyOps assistance Smoochies? 'Please NO NOT THAT!'; echoes off the walls of the cyber-dungeon. Rr

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2016-09-13 Thread oshwm
There appear to be a few people being very vocal on this list at the moment with very Pro Statist views. Don't have a problem with that as such, just noticed a sudden upswing since the discussion of the Tor mail list censorship :D I'm sure I'm just being paranoid and the Tor management haven't

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2016-09-12 Thread Nadine Earnshaw
Ouch you got me I'm white and Educated Currently sitting in a cafe eating and drinking to my hearts content with my domestic partner. Women can't get married here yet. Although when I transition I can marry her. Weird world Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Sep 2016, at 12:56 PM, juan

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2016-09-12 Thread juan
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:26:19 +1000 Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > > You should get that myopia fixed > > Oh so sorry you can't unless you have shed loads of money. Just in case you didn't get it before : I - am - not - an - american. And here's another piece of

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2016-09-12 Thread Nadine Earnshaw
You should get that myopia fixed Oh so sorry you can't unless you have shed loads of money. Bad Obama care bad Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Sep 2016, at 10:02 AM, juan wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:48:19 +1000 > Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > >> No

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2016-09-12 Thread juan
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:34:50 +1000 Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > > My freedom doesn't require hurting someone else Lol. As I explained on-list your political system is nothing but a machine for controlling, hurting and killing vast amounts of people.

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2016-09-12 Thread Cypher Piggie
> the bottom line is that you are a highly stupid, fascist cunt. fuck you juan you USA citizen piece of shit

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2016-09-12 Thread juan
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:13:57 +0800 "Nadine Earnshaw" wrote: >   > the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call > it free speech and find protection So, it may be worthwhile to explain, once again, what Nadine stands for.

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2016-09-12 Thread juan
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:13:57 +0800 "Nadine Earnshaw" wrote: >   > the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call > it free speech and find protection the bottom line is that you are a highly stupid, fascist cunt.

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2016-09-12 Thread Cypher Piggie
> Verbally attacking someone is not freedom its abuse. tell that to little abusive troll juan > We are not free to > abuse others. so drop his anarchy back on him and unfree his ass

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2016-09-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
in public expect to lose your job.  > The whole thing with Bernie and the fighting for freedom of speech is > crap.  > Now that he is a civilian he can say whatever he likes with no > consequences.  > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Zenaan Harkness" > T

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2016-09-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:59:01PM +0800, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > "True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots > the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid > opinions can be debated and society can grow."  > > No I don't agree with you. Sorry

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2016-09-12 Thread Mirimir
On 09/12/2016 12:23 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > On 9/11/16 10:59 PM, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: >> >> >> "True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the >> right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular >> but valid opinions can be debated and society can

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2016-09-12 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/11/16 10:59 PM, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > > > "True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the > right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular > but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow." > > No I don't agree with you. Sorry but you dont get

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2016-09-12 Thread Mirimir
ch the public have access > as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether > or not a charge is made for admission to the place > > - Original Message - > From: "oshwm" > To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 0

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2016-09-12 Thread Nadine Earnshaw
are not free to abuse others. - Original Message - From: "Stephen D. Williams" To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:48:55 -0700 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] In a free and open society, even t

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2016-09-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 08:13:57AM +0800, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call > it free speech and find protection OK, to hear you, the examples by Bernard Gaynor - is the only "illegal" thing he said, the quote you gave - i.e. "I won't

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2016-09-11 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/11/16 10:21 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/11/2016 11:15 PM, oshwm wrote: >> The bottom line is that you DO NOT believe in freespeech but are trying to >> convince yourself and others that you do. >> >> People like you who try to pass off controlled or restricted speech as free >> speech are

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2016-09-11 Thread Mirimir
t you have >> right to privacy. the right to be free, to talk openly in private >> without being monitored by others. >> this is what I think freedom of speech is. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "oshwm" >> To:"Nadine Earnshaw&q

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2016-09-11 Thread oshwm
. > >- Original Message - >From: "oshwm" >To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , >Cc: >Sent:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 06:49:29 +0100 >Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - >[perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] > >Truly private sp

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2016-09-11 Thread Nadine Earnshaw
uot; , Cc: Sent:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 06:49:29 +0100 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] Truly private speech comes with a freespeech guarantee so thats not an issue. Public speech is where the attacks on freespee

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2016-09-09 Thread Cypher Piggie
> "... But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or > another, this much is certain — that it has either authorized > such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to > prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist. " Spooner - > 1867 > >

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2016-09-08 Thread oshwm
which the public have access >as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether >or not a charge is made for admission to the place. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "oshwm" >To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" >Cc: >Sent:Thu, 08

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2016-09-08 Thread Cypher Piggie
> A written bill of rights. lets talk about juan how he protect his bill of rights in DC USA against terrist by trollin ops on here

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2016-09-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
ch the public have access > as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether > or not a charge is made for admission to the place. > > - Original Message - > From: "oshwm" > To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" > Cc: &g

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2016-09-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 10:41:45PM +, jim bell wrote: > Sounds like Australia needs the equivalent of America's First > Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and press.But then again, > that's the same problem Britain has:  They don't have a written > Constitution.          Jim Bell

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2016-09-08 Thread jim bell
rpunks@lists.cpunks.org Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]   No the issue is public vs private speech. There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and

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2016-09-07 Thread oshwm
So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used to say yhe things you find acceptable? :D On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: >freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c >which Bernard supports being removed. >He is free

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2016-09-07 Thread Cypher Piggie
> "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to > say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. thats because they turn out gay trolls like mr gay, and juan. worthless bloat worthless bloat worthless bloat worthless bloat worthless bloat worthless bloat

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2016-09-07 Thread Nadine Earnshaw
freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about.

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2016-09-07 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which I would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which dominates the current Western public and social dialogue". So, notwithstanding anyone's