Re: Global warming/climate change

[Razer]

On 03/27/2017 02:26 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/us-wind-capacity-surpasses-hydro-overall-generation-to-follow/
> http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/browser/
>
> In the US, a number of major milestones occurred on the electric grid
> in 2016, almost all of them involving wind power. Now the Energy
> Information Administration is confirming that's because of a big
> overall trend: wind power is now the largest source of renewable
> energy generating capacity, passing hydroelectric power in 2016. And
> since the two sources produce electricity at nearly the same rate,
> we'll soon see wind surpass hydro in terms of electricity produced.
> ..

Dead birds, LOTS of dead birds, rural gentrification due to the relative
affluence of the people who work on those high-tech windmills in
relation to the surrounding population, and did I mention there are
studies showing subsonics cause the same kinds of cancers and Lymphomas
as cell phone radiation? There. I mentioned it... and subsonic radiation
travel much farther than high frequencies.

Rr

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

NOAA - the climatic gift that keeps on giving false data, fudged reports
and "total computer failures" so that the data can't be verified. I
wonder what could possibly drive "scientists" to be so ... political?

Money? Pizza?



H. Sterling Burnett: Climategate Redux! NOAA Scientists Fudge, Lose Data
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/21/h-sterling-burnett-climategate-redux-noaa-scientists-fudge-lose-data/


Razer rant in 3 .. 2 ..

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

Australian hottest global warming happened in 1828, from the
1800s, Australia has had "meticulous" weather records.

Impressive stuff:


- Forwarded message from Gil May  -
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:07:07 +1000
From: Gil May 
Subject: Australia's Hottest Day on Record 1828 a blistering 53.9 °C Before 
Industrialisation.

 Letters Editor

Australia's Hottest Day on Record 1828 a blistering *53.9 °C* : Long
before Industrialization the climate changed naturally for millennia:
Please stop denying history.

February 6, 1851: 117° Fahrenheit (47.22 Celsius) Degrees at 8 AM in
Melbourne. CO2 was at a very safe 280 PPM.


In January 1896 a savage blast "like a furnace" stretched across
Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks.

The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states.
Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F
(48.9°C) on three days.
The maximum at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight!

See links below to read the news reports.

1.By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reported falling dead the streets.
  http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/44132389?zoomLevel=5

2.Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night
  for hours, thermometers a 103°F (42.78°C) at midnight.
  http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/44159099?zoomLevel=5

3.Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F (39.44°C)

4.On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day, the
  hospitals were overcrowded and reports said that "more deaths are
  hourly expected".
  http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14033576?zoomLevel=5

5.By January 24, in Bourke, many businesses had shut down.

6.120 deaths:  Panic stricken Australians were fleeing to the hills.
  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/79288908?zoomLevel=5


Meticulous and detailed temperature records from the 1800's comes from
Sir Charles Todd, Australia's first permanent weather bureau at Adelaide
in 1856


The Great Australian Heatwave of January 2013 didn't push the mercury
above 50°C at any weather station in Australia, yet it's been 50°C
(122F) and hotter in many inland towns across Australia over the past
century.

Sincerely

G J May
1 Kirklees Place
Forestdale 4118
0429793274
1-3-17

- End forwarded message -

Re: Global warming/climate change

[John Newman]

Jim said:
> 
> Ah, yes!   But that snow was colder yesterday than it is today.  Thus, 
> further evidence of "global warming".
>   Jim Bell

Laff riot ;)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/science/earth/2016-hottest-year-on-record.html?_r=0

http://www.alternet.org/environment/2016-about-become-hottest-year-record

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/climate-trends-continue-to-break-records

But a picture of a fucking snow flake means it's a all a big chinese hoax!! 
Thank god people know how to take snapshots of snow, otherwise those pesky 
chinese tricksters may have gotten away with something 

Re: Global warming/climate change

[jim bell]

 From: Zenaan Harkness 

>Global warming continues apace:
> 
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

>Impressive stuff.
Ah, yes!   But that snow was colder yesterday than it is today.  Thus, further 
evidence of "global warming".          Jim Bell   

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

Global warming continues apace:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/jan/23/snow-sahara-desert-in-pictures

Impressive stuff.


-- 
* Certified Deplorable Neo-Nazi Fake News Hunter (TM)(C)(R)
* Executive Director of Triggers, Ministry of Winning
* Weapons against traditional \/\/European\/\/ values:
http://davidduke.com/jewish-professor-boasts-of-jewish-pornography-used-as-a-weapon-against-gentiles/
* How Liberal Lefties view the world:
http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/optimized/3X/0/4/042cb95724339d5df43eab11e5e714e506dadc7e_1_600x329.jpg

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

Before anyone busts a nut, this does not refute (the lack of)
anthropogenic climate change.

However it may be considered to speak to the politicization of "climate
science", and certainly speaks to the corruption of money in such
"scientific discoveries".



Climate change expert sentenced to 32 months for fraud, says lying was a
'rush'
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/climate-change-expert-sentenced-32-months-fraud-says-lying-was-f2D11768995



-- 
* Certified Deplorable Neo-Nazi Fake News Hunter (TM)(C)(R)
* Executive Director of Triggers, Ministry of Winning
* Weapons against traditional \/\/European\/\/ values:
http://davidduke.com/jewish-professor-boasts-of-jewish-pornography-used-as-a-weapon-against-gentiles/
* How Liberal Lefties view the world:
http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/optimized/3X/0/4/042cb95724339d5df43eab11e5e714e506dadc7e_1_600x329.jpg

Re: Global warming/climate change

[grarpamp]

Before the Flood - Full Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CkXVF-Q8M

Global warming/climate change

[coresamples]

Of course the global climate is changing!

> Tom:
> Lern something useful instead of wasting other peoples time

>From your statements I would assume that you believe you have a degree of
climate science education. So tell me, when has the global climate not
been changing? What actual empirical evidence, independent of adjusted
computer models, is there that most of the warming of the last century is
due to human activities when the global climate actually began warming at
the end of the little Ice Age in the mid-19th century, nearly a century
before significant introduction of fossil fuel derived CO2 to the
atmosphere?

Need answers, look to your science god and ask about the core samples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_sample

Fuckers.

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Steve Kinney]

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On 10/24/2016 12:54 PM, jim bell wrote:

> I am aware that climate models run on very powerful computers,
> using extremely sophisticated mathematical models that are being
> continually improved.

Glittering Generalities much lately?

> I am open to the possibility that there may one day be an apparent
> problem, qualitatively.  But science doesn't know, quantitatively,
> what the size of the problem is.

So calculation of CO2 discharges based on fuel consumption statistics,
which correlate with contemporary and historical atmospheric CO2
measurements, which correlate with historical and contemporary
measurements of ocean surface pH, which correlate with measurements of
atmospheric and oceanic temperatures, etc. are not quantitative?  One
might try to dispute the causal links between some of these observed
phenomena, but that would be an uphill battle against a /massive/
consensus of professionals in the relevant fields.

So far, those with the most to gain or lose financially - our
petrochemicails industries - have had to resort to classic propaganda
techniques to dispute the current consensus model in geophysics.

> This solution will, however, piss off the AGW (anthropogenic Global
> Warming) fanatics, if for no other reason that it will seem to them
> to be too easy.

Name Calling much lately?

;o)





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Re: Global warming/climate change

[juan]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 12:41:55 -0400
Steve Kinney <ad...@pilobilus.net> wrote:

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> On 10/24/2016 10:03 AM, John Newman wrote:
> > 
> >> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Another to add to the viewing list:
> >> 
> >> Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate Physics 1973, speaks for about half
> >> an hr on "global warming" and various aspects of the ongoing
> >> controversy,
> > 
> > What controversy?  A few badly confused outliers is not a
> > controversy.
> 
> Attributing the widely promoted views of these individuals to
> confusion is a very charitable assessment.  Anyone with a Ph.D. in any
> of the sciences who speaks against the overwhelming consensus model


As if truth was a matter of mob agreement. 


> in
> climatology and misrepresents the data supporting it obtains patronage
> from two of the most powerful industries in the world:  Petrochemicals
> and Public Relations.

Go ahead, ignore the fact that your consensus of academic
parasites is exactly that. Your climate 'scientists' are highly
paid university parasites, pandering to 'progressive' eco
fascists. 

If you are going to look at incentives do it in a
consistent manner. 

And let me see. Is ther e 'progressive' 'eco friendly'
    highly subsidized 'industry' out there? Why, yes, there
is. 

Maybe the 'green' industries' have some sort of
incentives for spewing 'global-warming-climate-change'
propaganda? 



> Patronage is also available to anyone who is
> paid to stand in front of a blue screen and talk about the weather:  A
> strong consensus among meteorologists (and other entertainers)
> supports Barnum's Law, which states "There is no such thing as bad
> publicity."
> 
> The same propaganda techniques used in the long war against medical
> science conducted by tobacco companies 



Actually, weren't your beloved 'medical' 'scientists' in bed
with the tobacco companies? 


Et cetera. 






> have been recycled by today's
> campaigns against climatology, because they work.  Opposing physical
> reality by lying about it may appear to be a losing battle but look
> again:  A delaying action that only costs a few million dollars, while
> enabling its sponsoring industries to harvest tens of billions of
> dollars while a fabricated "debate" drags on, is a net winning
> strategy.
> 
> >> along with his unique viewpoints: 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0
> 
> "Unique viewpoints" in the physical sciences /rarely/ turn out to be
> useful.  When they are not products of simple error or crackpot
> beliefs, "unique viewpoints" don't stay unique for more than a few
> months and get incorporated into consensus models within a few years.
> 
> So many videos, so little time.  Promoters of the "chemtrails"
> delusion also publish lots of videos on YouTube:  First, because their
> target demographic will not read anything longer than a typical
> Facebook post; second, because A/V presentations are inherently more
> persuasive than print; third, because dissecting bullshit and lies
> presented in video format requires one to first type a transcript of
> that bullshit in order to quote and comment on it.  And why bother?
> True Believers are emotionally invested in "being right" and mere
> facts will not persuade them, especially when they are presented with
> a continuing stream of professionally crafted rationalizations
> supporting their belief.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Global warming/climate change

[Steve Kinney]

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On 10/24/2016 10:03 AM, John Newman wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another to add to the viewing list:
>> 
>> Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate Physics 1973, speaks for about half
>> an hr on "global warming" and various aspects of the ongoing
>> controversy,
> 
> What controversy?  A few badly confused outliers is not a
> controversy.

Attributing the widely promoted views of these individuals to
confusion is a very charitable assessment.  Anyone with a Ph.D. in any
of the sciences who speaks against the overwhelming consensus model in
climatology and misrepresents the data supporting it obtains patronage
from two of the most powerful industries in the world:  Petrochemicals
and Public Relations.  Patronage is also available to anyone who is
paid to stand in front of a blue screen and talk about the weather:  A
strong consensus among meteorologists (and other entertainers)
supports Barnum's Law, which states "There is no such thing as bad
publicity."

The same propaganda techniques used in the long war against medical
science conducted by tobacco companies have been recycled by today's
campaigns against climatology, because they work.  Opposing physical
reality by lying about it may appear to be a losing battle but look
again:  A delaying action that only costs a few million dollars, while
enabling its sponsoring industries to harvest tens of billions of
dollars while a fabricated "debate" drags on, is a net winning strategy.

>> along with his unique viewpoints: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0

"Unique viewpoints" in the physical sciences /rarely/ turn out to be
useful.  When they are not products of simple error or crackpot
beliefs, "unique viewpoints" don't stay unique for more than a few
months and get incorporated into consensus models within a few years.

So many videos, so little time.  Promoters of the "chemtrails"
delusion also publish lots of videos on YouTube:  First, because their
target demographic will not read anything longer than a typical
Facebook post; second, because A/V presentations are inherently more
persuasive than print; third, because dissecting bullshit and lies
presented in video format requires one to first type a transcript of
that bullshit in order to quote and comment on it.  And why bother?
True Believers are emotionally invested in "being right" and mere
facts will not persuade them, especially when they are presented with
a continuing stream of professionally crafted rationalizations
supporting their belief.







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Re: Global warming/climate change

[Tom]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:34:58PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate Physics 1973, speaks for about half an hr
> on "global warming" and various aspects of the ongoing controversy,
> along with his unique viewpoints:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0

Of course an 88 years old physicist specialised in electricity is *the*
authority when it comes to climate science. Now all other 97% of climate
scientists have to abandon everything they know about the issue.

Related (since off topic as well): Lern something useful instead of
wasting other peoples time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOjSp5_YiF0. 
And in this case the host is someone with proven competence in the
field :)



good luck,
Tom

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

Another to add to the viewing list:

Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate Physics 1973, speaks for about half an hr
on "global warming" and various aspects of the ongoing controversy,
along with his unique viewpoints:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0

~130MiB

Re: Global warming/climate change

[xorcist]

> On 09/17/2016 11:00 PM, grarpamp wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:34 AM, juan  wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdZ9t4Y5hQ
>>
>> Oh please. That's exactly what you'd get from a guy, who
>> believes Allah wills it ...
>
> That Semitic sky god is one sadistic bastard, for sure ;)
>
>

Actually, as I understand it, Yahweh is a volcano deity. Hence the quaking
mountains and fire from the sky, and general pissed-off attitude.

But yeah, an asshole nonetheless.

Re: Global warming/climate change

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:43:17AM -, YoungerDryas wrote:

Cute name for the subject matter btw :)

More cuteness, and practical format, enjoyed the following:

Subject: Re: Climate Change Explained
In-Reply-To: 


On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 09:13:30AM +1000, Gil May wrote:
> http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/climate/climate-change-xkcd-comic
> 
> This is a must see for all, irrespective of your thinking, it details
> climate change in understandable format.

Re: Global warming/climate change

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:34 AM, juan  wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdZ9t4Y5hQ

Oh please. That's exactly what you'd get from a guy, who
believes Allah wills it, launching objects *randomly by hand*
via some random suspension jig into a system of magnets
whose permanence, strength, and possibly even location is
further modified by each run... of course it's going to be chaotic.
It's random for sure, but not due the classical and quantum
reasons he may have thunk it to be.

"So the magnetic pendulum is a chaotic system because
it is extremely sensitive to its initial position."

s/is a/appears to be a/ precisely.