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At 10:04 PM -0400 7/9/01, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:56:12PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly special
objects. Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet?
Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted
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At 9:12 PM -0500 7/9/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly special
objects. Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet?
Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show
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#I'm sure the locals aren't looking forward to pissing off one
#of their potential agents of funding on something as
#inconsequential as a simple bimbo killing...
Yes, that's a factoid not to be dismissed.
Today on the news it was clearly stated that the
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote:
They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite
awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real*
troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an affinity squad will
target that individual. By making it very difficult to
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In adopting the black outfit the Black Bloc has made themselves easier
to single out.
What about doing something a little more sophisticated like, say,
everyone wears jeans and sneakers and rolls a die to choose :
Baseball cap, bandana, t-shirt color.
Limit the garb to a small set of colors.
At 7:19 PM +0100 7/6/01, Ken Brown wrote:
A. Melon wrote:
...
'political crimes', it seems the best options are to simply leave the
country altogether or forget about the personal freedoms granted by the
constitution.
So my question is: where to go?
How does one
'drop out' of the
bring in
millions of dollars a
year in taxes to schools and government.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/latimes/20010710/lo/l_a_county_targets_satellites_in_out-of-this-world_tax_plan_1.html
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:14:11AM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote:
...
Robert Vorbeck, 38, was arrested July 2, 1999, for allegedly selling
cocaine to undercover officers, and committed suicide in his county jail
cell 11 days later. He had faced life in prison if convicted of felony
drug
Dynamite Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Los Angeles County Assessor Rick Auerbach is angling to impose
property taxes on several satellites.
A friend of mine would be willing to pay $15000 to anyone who could
accurately predict the day of Mr. Auerbach's demise.
Oh, wait. No digital cash, no
Get a load of this lawyer's physics:
The property in question here is geostationary,
said Larry Hoenig, a San Francisco attorney
representing Hughes Electronics. Geostationary
satellites sit above the equator in a fixed
position; they do not rotate around the Earth. So
the satellites we're
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote:
quoting someone who is not participating in this discussion
The property in question here is geostationary,
said Larry Hoenig, a San Francisco attorney
representing Hughes Electronics. Geostationary
satellites sit above the equator in a fixed
position;
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Frankly, I don't see how any kind of short-term tactic for possibly
illegal operations on the street in an environment full of police
could be good for anything more than the symbolic. What did these
Frankly, I think you're missing the point.
Dynamite Bob wrote:
Get a load of this lawyer's physics:
Geostationary satellites sit above
the equator in a fixed position;
they do not rotate around the Earth.
Maybe he was making a very sophisticated argument about frame of reference
(or maybe not). :-D
S a n d y
So the traffic cop
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote:
quoting someone who is not participating in this
Um, wouldn't a natural way to assess property taxes be to first decide
in which jurisdiction the property rests? For instance project the
boundary of jurisdictions into space from the geometrical center of the
earth. In which case it would probably be Brazil that should be
collecting the taxes
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote:
quoting someone who is not participating in this
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:30:42PM -0400, Faustine wrote:
Fine. So how much anonymity do you anticipate having after the feds squirt
a little of some new nonlethal substance straight down the middle of the
thing and your vinegar hankies just aren't up to it? Go ahead, rack
Right. That's
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you know one of the things i'd like to do is go into the waste removal
business in orbit. lots of junk up there...would like to launch a satellite
with a long finger attached to it and poke stuff out of orbit. the nudge.
who'd pay? it would be quite an unfornate event if a satellite were
Faustine FUDed:
And IMHO the best way to achieve anonymity in meatspace? A great place to
start would be by not deliberately engaging in possibly illegal operations
on the street in an environment full of police. You're doomed before you
ever get started. But I could be wrong. Don't say I
Kalifornica charges property taxes on live-aboard boats
which haven't been in their waters or registered in their
state for years -- or tries to, on the basis that the owner
*used* to live there, even if his current residence if
elsewhere. Or so people on the boating lists complain.
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Harmon
I've some friends who have, for a long time, complained about
being surveilled, specifically phone tapped and/or house bugged.
At first I thought it was just paranoia, but recent events have
made me think otherwise. i
One thing that happens almost invariably is that when groups
meet at
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Some Melon wrote:
We borrowed a frequency meter, and went around the house with
it, but are unsure how to use it effectively. It doesn't have a
signal strength meter, so I'm thinking that if a bug is broad-
casting the meter should just stick on that frequency?
You mean frequency counter.
somebody behind a remailer wrote:
And IMHO the best way to achieve anonymity in meatspace? A great place to
start would be by not deliberately engaging in possibly illegal operations
on the street in an environment full of police. You're doomed before you
ever get started. But I could be
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Can you see a fundamental difference between activism/protest/resistance
that makes a difference and illegal operations on the street in an
environment full of police?
What's the point of putting yourself into a situation where you have no
chance
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:22:12PM -0400, Faustine wrote:
Who's more likely to make a difference at the WTO: a) someone outside,
throwing golf balls at the building b) someone inside, presenting
compelling arguments to the assembly and individual delegates
Of those two choices, probably the
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I was thinking online obscurity (nyms, pseudonymous web pages etc) coupled
with a low tax jurisdiction like Anguilla wouldn't be one interesting
combination.
But there are plenty of disadvantages too -- limited amenities - shops,
computer parts, the advantages being within reasonable travelling
Please reply to Mr. Crispin.
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Subject: Crypto hardware
A couple of years ago at the RSA conference one of the vendors was
exhibiting a tamperproof that would
Jim wrote:
Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights
in the 60's.
The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this sort
of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors
against a much better armed and entrenched foe.
It
Tim May wrote:
I will say that there is no country out there that seems to be
beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement, pace the points we discuss
so often about drug warriors, freezing of accounts, extradition,
etc. Even Yugoslavia has just bowed to U.S. financing pressures
(sending
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Adam Back wrote:
I was thinking online obscurity (nyms, pseudonymous web pages etc) coupled
with a low tax jurisdiction like Anguilla wouldn't be one interesting
combination.
But there are plenty of disadvantages too -- limited amenities - shops,
computer parts, the
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Jim wrote:
Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights
in the 60's.
The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this sort
of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors
against
Peter Trei wrote:
Expatriate US citizens have to pay
income tax on foreign earned income
to the US...If you don't pay up,
they might not be able to extradite
you if you're now a foreigner, but
they'll go after your assets in the
US, or arrest you if you set foot
on US soil.
(13 years
At 7:59 PM -0400 7/10/01, Adam Back wrote:
I was thinking online obscurity (nyms, pseudonymous web pages etc) coupled
with a low tax jurisdiction like Anguilla wouldn't be one interesting
combination.
But there are plenty of disadvantages too -- limited amenities - shops,
computer parts, the
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Seems to me the only answer is to keep moving, don't settle in any one
country (or store your possessions in any one jurisdiction) for a lengthy
stay. A couple of years max.
Um, no. A couple of years would have been fine a decade ago, but
these days if
At 06:33 PM 7/10/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
These little Carribean potentates are far, far, far worse than what we
face in the U.S.
The sad truth is that if you're a gun owner and like to have variety in
what you collect, no western democracy is going to be a better fit than
the U.S. Even some
Um, wouldn't a natural way to assess property taxes be to first decide
in which jurisdiction the property rests? For instance project the
One of the points that L.A. County is using to assess these
taxes is that it is property that owned by a (to them) local
corporation that *isn't* in
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:50:46PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
descendants. Basically, you're allowed to piss them off a
little, and they still need some kind of excuse to arrest
you. But once you've pissed them off, any excuse will do,
even (as Bell's case teaches us) the legal
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