Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Tim May
On Monday, October 1, 2001, at 09:04 PM, Steve Schear wrote: As Tim and others have pointed out oil only looks cheap if all the costs are not exposed at the pump. Gee, I recall making a much different point. I recall disputing the claim that the real, unsubsidized price of oil is $10 a

Re: Larry Ellison wants National ID Card database

2001-10-02 Thread Bill Stewart
Somebody on the list, promoting a total boycott of Oracle, quoted Larry Ellison as saying: We need a database behind that, so when you're walking into an airport and you say that you are Larry Ellison, you take that card and put it in a reader and you put your thumb down and that system confirms

Guy's Wit's End: Phoenix, AZ

2001-10-02 Thread Cole Shores
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STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Steve Schear wrote: At 01:25 PM 10/1/2001 -0400, James B. DiGriz wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: A far more productive application of corporate welfare would be if that money were spent on engineering research and development of geosynchronous solar power microwave

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Re: SF development (fwd)

2001-10-02 Thread Eugene Leitl
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:30:17 -0400 From: Kirk Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SF development I don't know what happened to Brian however as far as I know John Walker is still lurking. Development is

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Brown
Eugene Leitl wrote: Problem is high LEO launch costs. It would seem easier to build automated and teleoperate fabbing and (linear motor) launching facilities on Luna, and circularize orbit mostly by aerobraking. And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar

Customs wants lists of all air passengers, foreign domestic.

2001-10-02 Thread Trei, Peter
/internal passport. Peter Trei --- http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011002/us/attacks_customs_2.html Tuesday October 2 3:33 AM ET Customs Wants Lists of Passengers By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Airlines should be required to turn

Re: Brinworld: citizens with speed-radar

2001-10-02 Thread An Metet
Nomen wrote: According to collected data, the average speed in 30 mph zones ranged from 35.5 to 46 mph. In the 35 mph zones, the average speed was about 43 mph. The highest speed, clocked by Colonial Estates East Citizens on Patrol group, was 62 mph in a 30 mph zone. Too bad this wasn't

Re: A modest proposal

2001-10-02 Thread David Honig
At 09:52 AM 10/2/01 -0400, Lyle Seaman wrote: Since we know that these terrorists use steganography, they could be sending messages hidden in the contents of the letters, classifieds, or even the editorial page. Therefore, the solution is clear. All printed matter must be reviewed by a team of

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread David Honig
At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Matt Beland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 06:00 am, Ken Brown wrote: Eugene Leitl wrote: Problem is high LEO launch costs. It would seem easier to build automated and teleoperate fabbing and (linear motor) launching facilities on Luna, and circularize orbit

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Matt Beland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 07:43 am, David Honig wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread David Honig
At 08:12 AM 10/2/01 -0700, Matt Beland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 07:43 am, David Honig wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why

FTC vs. First Amendment

2001-10-02 Thread David Honig
So if someone goes to your site, the FTC can tell you how to communicate? Or only if your site's DNS entry is hamming-close to another? Or only if you're communicating unPC (e.g., erotica) content? And how does bombarding them with ads differ from spam, which has been 1st-amend. protected so

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:14 PM 10/2/2001 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Steve Schear wrote: At 01:25 PM 10/1/2001 -0400, James B. DiGriz wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: A far more productive application of corporate welfare would be if that money were spent on engineering research and

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Brown
Once the catcher is high enough it ought to be possible to set the launcher so that missed catches zip round Earth head out. After all, at Lunar OV it wants to be in a high orbit. Achieving re-entry through Earth's atmosphere - sorry that should be entry it wasn't here in the first place -

Re: Brinworld: citizens with speed-radar

2001-10-02 Thread mmotyka
An Metet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Nomen wrote: According to collected data, the average speed in 30 mph zones ranged from 35.5 to 46 mph. In the 35 mph zones, the average speed was about 43 mph. The highest speed, clocked by Colonial Estates East Citizens on Patrol group, was 62 mph in a

Re: FTC vs. First Amendment

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:29:31AM -0700, David Honig wrote: So if someone goes to your site, the FTC can tell you how to communicate? Or only if your site's DNS entry is hamming-close to another? Or only if you're communicating unPC (e.g., erotica) content? And how does bombarding them

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Bill Stewart
It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect that the worst parts will get extended indefinitely over the years

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Goldberg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect

PUBLIC VS. PRIVATE SECTOR

2001-10-02 Thread Sandy Sandfort
C'punks, Fox News had a retired general on to discuss the purported billion dollar bounty on Bin Laden. His take was predictable. He was afraid that mercenaries would get in the way of government efforts to get OBL. Of course, he never consider that the government efforts might get in the way

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:09:50PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect

FRW:Campaign To Reduce Spam Mailers?

2001-10-02 Thread filingweb
Title: New Page 1 Create Your Own Opt-In E-mail List Don't Buy List! CREATE YOUR OWN! Advertising your company, products or services on the Internet is a must. Using Bulk E-mail is an option you may have used or considered. This sort of advertising has

Re: and now for something completely different...

2001-10-02 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 05:56 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Princeton University has for a while been host to a number of computerized studies of random number generators. The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR) is one. Another of them is the Global Consciousness Project

Re: Photographing Dams

2001-10-02 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:04 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: Tim May wrote: I know that I if I am ever stopped for photographing a dam or a bridge I hope I'll have the courage to tell the cop to fuck off. If arrested on such a bogus charge, things will escalate dramatically and I would

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Neil Johnson
Hmm, I get a Cannot Find server or DNS error I tried from work, and I tried it from home. Unless John had to ban both due to robot issues. Oh well.

Re: and now for something completely different...

2001-10-02 Thread keyser-soze
I felt a great disturbance in the Force . . . as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

Re: Photographing Dams

2001-10-02 Thread Steve Furlong
Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:04 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: Tim May wrote: I know that I if I am ever stopped for photographing a dam or a bridge I hope I'll have the courage to tell the cop to fuck off. If arrested on such a bogus charge, things will escalate

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread John Young
There have been a half dozen folks who said today they could not access Cryptome, but it's accessible from here. And there are only a half dozen blocks of rampaging bots. However, we are in the process of switching the archives to new machines and IP address changes are in the works --

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:49:34PM +, Ian Goldberg wrote: Note that (if I'm reading it right) the sunset only applies to Title I (the Internet surveillance bits), and not, for example, to the hacking is terrorism bits in Title III (section 309). The sunset also applies Ian: I think

Re: Photographing Dams

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
I wrote in January about a Capitol Police (federal) cop telling me I couldn't take a photo of the Capitol building from a public sidewalk: http://www.politechbot.com/p-01636.html Not an urban legend. -Declan On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:47:02PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't there cases

Re: Photographing Dams

2001-10-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
Tim May wrote: Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, and the C. in general. There certain is no requirement to cooperate. Where to do otherwise intelligent people pick up these bizarre ideas? Probably because of all the heretofore unheard of things happening to people in the courts these

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
I can't reach it from here either, and doing a nslookup on cryptome.org comes back with nothing. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread John Young
There are numerous changes in PATRIOT from MATA and ATA, and it has over twice their length. It still uses the same obfuscation style of burying dozens of proposals as modifications of existing legislation, making it hard to understand what is being proposed without jigsaw puzzling the pieces

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:28 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: Hmm, I get a Cannot Find server or DNS error I tried from work, and I tried it from home. Unless John had to ban both due to robot issues. Oh well. You sure you're entering cryptome.org, and not cryptome.com? I jut tried

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
I've just tried it from a server in MN, and another one in AL, and, previously, from here in WI. Nada -- it doesn't exiest anymore. can't find cryptome.org: Non-existent host/domain -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Neil Johnson
Yep, http://cryptome.org The IP address that John sent DOES work, so it is looking like an DNS issue. -Neil - Original Message - From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: cryptome down ? On Tuesday, October 2, 2001,

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
Agreed. It is a DNS issue. nslookup from one box without cryptome.org cached gives me: can't find cryptome.org: Non-existent host/domain John might want to temporarily redirect cryptome.org to the IP address (if his setup allows him to) so people get the hint, and make a note of the IP address

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Gabriel Rocha
jya.com is fine, cryptome.org's dns servers haven't updated. You might well be using old BIND zone files, if your version of BIND was upgraded, make sure you check the SOA section of the zone file, as with newer versions different syntax was used, check out your logs for named errors on startup.

Re: CDR: Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread James B. DiGriz
John Young wrote: USA. USA. Remember, do not say out loud, fuck that. Think abou it, then decide to self-suppress for a couple of years, then a couple more, then more after that. It's a long, long campaign the leaders warn, just like their predecessors said the main enemy is within.

World Socialist Web On PGP creator

2001-10-02 Thread Matthew Gaylor
PGP creator defends right to encrypt emails against calls for a ban By Mike Ingram 1 October 2001 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/pgp-o01.shtml [ Home page: http://www.wsws.org/index.shtml ] Philip Zimmermann, the creator of Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption software, has issued a

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Joe Malcolm
Both ns1.secure.net and ns2.secure.net are returning SERVFAIL for A record queries for cryptome.org. That almost certainly indicates a misconfiguration on those two machines. John, you may want to start harassing your new provider to fix this. Alternatively, it could be that those two servers

cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Neil Johnson
I tried to get to cryptome, but it appears to be down. Any info ? - Neil M. Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Man arrested in burning US flag

2001-10-02 Thread mmotyka
Don't you hate it when the issues are tangled. It would much nicer if there were a clean and simple case of free speech but no, it has to be impure. OTOH the police could be lying about the firecracker and the struggle knowing that the Constitutional issue is clear ( today anyway ) and wanting to

Photographing Dams

2001-10-02 Thread Tim May
There have been several panicky calls that Arabs were seen at national tourist spots, including photographing the Hoover Dam. Some on Usenet are calling for steps to crack down on these photographers. This is an article I wrote for Usenet: This is not the Soviet Union. Anyone may photograph

Re: cryptome down ?

2001-10-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 07:11:19PM -0500, Neil Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I tried to get to cryptome, but it appears to be down. Any info ? Works from here. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand?