On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would one want to implement a PRNG in silicon, when one can
easily implement a real RNG in silicon?
Both applications are orthogonal. PRNG != entropy.
And if one is implementing a PRNG in software, it is trivial to
have lots of internal
On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
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On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 11:09 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would one want to implement a PRNG in silicon, when one can
easily implement a real RNG in silicon?
Both applications are orthogonal. PRNG != entropy.
And if one is implementing a
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote:
What real-life examples can you name where Gbit rates of random digits
are actually needed?
Multimedia streams, routers. If I want to secure a near-future 10 GBit
Ethernet stream with a symmetric cypher for the duration of a few years
(periodic rekeying
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matthew X wrote:
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On 22 Apr 2002 at 0:08, Ben Laurie wrote:
Oh surely you can do better than that - making it
hard to guess the seed
is also clearly a desirable property (and one that
the square root rng
does not have).
U can choose any arbitrary seed(greater than 100
hi,
Here is a query frm my friend-
I wondered if anyone knows a solution for my
problem...
x mod m = a
x mod n = b
Let's say i choose small number...
m=5
n=3
a=3
b=1
then it's
x mod 5 = 3
x mod 3 = 1
after trying a but you will now that x=13
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On 22 Apr 2002 at 0:08, Ben Laurie wrote:
Oh surely you can do better than that - making it
hard to guess the seed
is also clearly a desirable property (and one that
the square root rng
does not have).
U can choose any
[EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Why would one want to implement a PRNG in silicon, when one can
easily implement a real RNG in silicon?
RNGs and PRNGs serve somewhat different purposes in current
cryptographic systems. Both are useful, but it's not clear to me
that the
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Ben Laurie wrote:
gfgs pedo wrote:
hi,
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22 Apr 2002 at 0:08, Ben Laurie wrote:
Oh surely you can do better than that - making it
hard to guess the seed
is also clearly a desirable property (and one that
the square root rng
does not
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:
So my suggestion is that while hardware accelaration of PRNGs may have
some usefulness, true RNGs need not have the same performance. I'd
rather see people work on making the true RNGs *trustworthy*, which is
a much more difficult problem.
Out of
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From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote:
What real-life examples can you name where Gbit rates of random digits
are actually needed?
Multimedia streams, routers. If I want to secure a near-future 10 GBit
Ethernet stream with a
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From: gfgs pedo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh surely you can do better than that - making it
hard to guess the seed
is also clearly a desirable property (and one that
the square root rng
does not have).
U can choose any arbitrary seed(greater than 100 bits
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:
The defining difference between the two is that if you know the
algorithm and seed, the output of a PRNG can be reproduced,
at a different time, place. or both. There are circumstances in
which this is very much a desired quality.
Actually you left
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On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Two ideas for random number generation
hi,
Here is a query frm my friend-
I wondered if anyone knows a solution for my
problem...
x mod m = a
x mod n = b
Let's say i choose small number...
m=5
n=3
a=3
b=1
then it's
x mod 5 = 3
x mod 3 = 1
after trying a but you will now that x=13
Ultra originated in Poland, not Britain. The wartime decryption work was
of course carried out in Britain, but without the prewar seed work of
the Poles it would probably have been futile.
Marc de Piolenc
matthew X wrote:
It's not the great movie yet to
be made on the subject, but I'm sure
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:33 PM
Subject: CDR: Re: Two ideas for random number generation
Why would one want to implement a PRNG in silicon, when one can
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote:
What real-life examples can you name where Gbit rates of random digits
are actually needed?
Multimedia streams, routers. If I want to secure a near-future 10 GBit
Ethernet stream with a symmetric cypher for the duration of a few years
(periodic rekeying
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would one want to implement a PRNG in silicon, when one can
easily implement a real RNG in silicon?
Both applications are orthogonal. PRNG != entropy.
And if one is implementing a PRNG in software, it is trivial to
have lots of internal
- Original Message -
From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote:
What real-life examples can you name where Gbit rates of random digits
are actually needed?
Multimedia streams, routers. If I want to secure a near-future 10 GBit
Ethernet stream with a
- Original Message -
From: gfgs pedo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh surely you can do better than that - making it
hard to guess the seed
is also clearly a desirable property (and one that
the square root rng
does not have).
U can choose any arbitrary seed(greater than 100 bits
as
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