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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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It won't happen here (will it PeterT?)

2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
Matthew I want to comment on something else here, which I find to be a common trait with US citizens: it can't happen here. The Chinese gov't can do anything they like, because any citizen who would try to keep watch would find himself shot. What basic law of the universe says that this can't

Re: responding to claims about TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread John Gilmore
I asked Eric Murray, who knows something about TCPA, what he thought of some of the more ridiculous claims in Ross Anderson's FAQ (like the SNRL), and he didn't respond. I believe it is because he is unwilling to publicly take a position in opposition to such a famous and respected figure.

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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
Go learn some finance before you attempt to abstract emotion into the quantifiable. Umm,Hett,old buddy,old pal,have you seen this? http://www.cdi.org/msc/clock.html How Quantifiable is infinite? Actual numerate, thinking, people gave up on that nonsense in the 1970's We're all keynesians now?

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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread gfgs pedo
hi, Here is an example illustrating turing thesis { Suppose we make a conjecture that a turing machine is equal to the power of a typical digital computer?how can we defend or refute sucha hypotheis? to defend it we could take an increasingly more difficult and show that they are solvable

RE: Signing as one member of a set of keys

2002-08-10 Thread Lucky Green
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-10 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:25:40 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, as if my normal style has been so effective. Not one person has given me the least support in my efforts to explain the truth about TCPA and Palladium. Hal, I think you were right on when you wrote: But

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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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Proffr. expresses fears over the safety of his bodies

2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Send
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Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread Ben Laurie
Lucky Green wrote: Ray wrote: From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:51:24 -0700 On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:35, AARG! Anonymous wrote: both Palladium and TCPA deny that they are designed to restrict what applications you run. The TPM FAQ at

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:09 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re the debate over whether compilers reliably produce identical object (executable) files: The measurement and hashing in TCPA/Palladium will probably not be done on the file itself, but on the executable content

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, R. Hirschfeld wrote: Calling Lucky a liar is no more illuminating than others calling you an idiot. You're confusing a classification for an argument. The argument is over. You can read it up in the archives. If you think there's still anything left to discuss, I've got

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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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The value of stupidity in spying.

2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, R. Hirschfeld wrote: A trivial observation: this cannot be true across hardware platforms. Untrue, just use a VM. Open Boot Forth would do nicely. TCPA claims to be platform and OS agnostic, but Palladium does not. Have fun in that there tarpit.

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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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Re: responding to claims about TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread Steve Schear
At 04:02 AM 8/10/2002 -0700, John Gilmore wrote: The transaction? What transaction? They were talking about the owner getting reliable reporting on the security of their applications and OS's and -- uh -- oh yeah, buying music or video over the Internet. Part of their misleading technique has

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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-10 Thread Matthew X
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Re: On alliances and enemies.

2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Russell Nelson wrote: AARG!Anonymous writes: So don't read too much into the fact that a bunch of anonymous postings have suddenly started appearing from one particular remailer. For your information, I have sent over 400 anonymous messages in the past year to

Re: responding to claims about TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread AARG! Anonymous
AARG! wrote: I asked Eric Murray, who knows something about TCPA, what he thought of some of the more ridiculous claims in Ross Anderson's FAQ (like the SNRL), and he didn't respond. I believe it is because he is unwilling to publicly take a position in opposition to such a famous and

Re: It won't happen here (was Re: TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications)

2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Marcel Popescu wrote: Now I know the general opinion of AARG, and I can't say I much disagree. But I want to comment on something else here, which I find to be a common trait with US citizens: it can't happen here. The Chinese gov't can do anything they like, because

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2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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FAQ: How will Microsoft respond to Lucky's patent application?

2002-08-10 Thread Lucky Green
I have received numerous questions in conversations and interviews over the last few days as to what I believe Microsoft's response will be to my recent patent application for methods that utilize Palladium and operating systems built on top of TCPA to assist in the fight against software piracy.

Seth on TCPA at Defcon/Usenix

2002-08-10 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Seth Schoen of the EFF has a good blog entry about Palladium and TCPA at http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/2002-08-09.html. He attended Lucky's presentation at DEF CON and also sat on the TCPA/Palladium panel at the USENIX Security Symposium. Seth has a very balanced perspective on these issues

Re: CDR: On the outright laughability of internet democracy

2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: Turing thesis

2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone shed some light on this? Because of the sophistication of modern processors there are too many variables too be optimized easily, and doing so can be extremely costly. Because of this diversity, many compilers use

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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-10 Thread Bram Cohen
AARG!Anonymous wrote: I will just point out that it was not my idea, but rather that Salon said that the Gnutella developers were considering moving to authorized clients. According to Eric, those developers are fundamentally stupid. According to Bram, the Gnutella developers don't

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2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-10 Thread Jim Choate
There is a better way than the traditional 'client/server' approach (distributed or not). It addresses each and every one of these issues and its already written (by the people who invented Unix no less). And it's Open Source (under it's own license). Even has crypto built in. Plan 9.

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

2002-08-10 Thread David Wagner
R. A. Hettinga wrote: [Ob Cypherpunks: Seriously, folks. How clueful can someone be who clearly doesn't know how to use more than one remailer hop, as proven by the fact that he's always coming out of the *same* remailer all the time? I hope I don't need to point out that always using the same

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Re: responding to claims about TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread David Wagner
AARG! Anonymous wrote: In fact, you are perfectly correct that Microsoft architectures would make it easy at any time to implement DRL's or SNRL's. They could do that tomorrow! They don't need TCPA. So why blame TCPA for this feature? The relevance should be obvious. Without TCPA/Palladium,

Re: Seth on TCPA at Defcon/Usenix

2002-08-10 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: AARG! Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] [brief description of Document Revocation List] Seth's scheme doesn't rely on TCPA/Palladium. Actually it does, in order to make it valuable. Without a hardware assist, the attack works like this: Hack your software (which is

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread Russell Nelson
AARG!Anonymous writes: I'd like the Palladium/TCPA critics to offer an alternative proposal for achieving the following technical goal: Allow computers separated on the internet to cooperate and share data and computations such that no one can get access to the data outside the

Re: Seth on TCPA at Defcon/Usenix

2002-08-10 Thread David Wagner
AARG! Anonymous wrote: His description of how the Document Revocation List could work is interesting as well. Basically you would have to connect to a server every time you wanted to read a document, in order to download a key to unlock it. Then if someone decided that the document needed to

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

2002-08-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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It won't happen here (was Re: TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications)

2002-08-10 Thread Marcel Popescu
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Re: Signing as one member of a set of keys

2002-08-10 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
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p2p DoS resistance and network stability (Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella)

2002-08-10 Thread Adam Back
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 08:25:40PM -0700, AARG!Anonymous wrote: Several people have objected to my point about the anti-TCPA efforts of Lucky and others causing harm to P2P applications like Gnutella. The point that a number of people made is that what is said in the article is not workable:

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

2002-08-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
I don't try to filter, but to join several sources. Anonymous is an idiot, but at least an intelligent one. I can't leave him out without creating a skewed picture of what is going on. On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 1:03 AM +0200 on 8/10/02, Some anonymous, and now apparently

Turing thesis

2002-08-10 Thread gfgs pedo
hi, Here is an example illustrating turing thesis { Suppose we make a conjecture that a turing machine is equal to the power of a typical digital computer?how can we defend or refute sucha hypotheis? to defend it we could take an increasingly more difficult and show that they are solvable

Re: responding to claims about TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread John Gilmore
I asked Eric Murray, who knows something about TCPA, what he thought of some of the more ridiculous claims in Ross Anderson's FAQ (like the SNRL), and he didn't respond. I believe it is because he is unwilling to publicly take a position in opposition to such a famous and respected figure.

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-10 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:25:40 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, as if my normal style has been so effective. Not one person has given me the least support in my efforts to explain the truth about TCPA and Palladium. Hal, I think you were right on when you wrote: But

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-10 Thread D.Popkin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- AARG! Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lucky Green wrote: Ray wrote: If I buy a lock I expect that by demonstrating ownership I can get a replacement key or have a locksmith legally open it. It appears the days when this was true are waning. At

Re: Signing as one member of a set of keys

2002-08-10 Thread Anonymous
Here is the signature block from the ring signature program which got truncated. I'll try sending it through a few different anon remailers until it gets through. Replace the lines from the earlier posting starting with the END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK line. -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:09 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re the debate over whether compilers reliably produce identical object (executable) files: The measurement and hashing in TCPA/Palladium will probably not be done on the file itself, but on the executable content