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2003-09-02 Thread Tim May
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Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread An Metet
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2003-09-02 Thread Steve Furlong
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2003-09-02 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Anonymous wrote: Some librarians are probably now thinking they have a patriotic duty to see what people are reading and to report any suspicious behavior. Part of the intent of the Patriot Act and the Library Awareness Program was to bamboozle the nation's librarians

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread J.A. Terranson
I wasn't even going to answer the absurd hypothetical, but since it's now in play... On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Sunder wrote: In that case, I would suspect the ISP itself would have incoming/outgoing feeds from other ISP's. Obviously, every ISP does. If that single moral objector ISP refuses to

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

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Re: CDR: Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread Justin
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2003-09-02 Thread Sunder
In that case, I would suspect the ISP itself would have incoming/outgoing feeds from other ISP's. If that single moral objector ISP refuses to allow carnivores, the other, not quite as moral ISP's might be persuaded to allow it, in which case the fedZ get what they want, just one traceroute hop

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:02 PM 8/31/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: He said: An ISP is free to say anyone requesting a tap is required to pay a fee, just as any ISP is free to say that it will handle installation of special Carnivore equipment for a certain fee. A customer of the ISP is certainly _not_ the one requesting

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2003-09-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:03 AM 9/1/03 +0200, Andrew Thomas wrote: b) realize that the distributed method you suggest already exists - it is called procmail(*). Procmail serves no purpose by itself. It requires no small amount of effort on the part of the administrator to utilise for any type of systems

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:54 AM 9/1/03 -0400, An Metet wrote: Here's a clue. If and when crypto anarchy ever becomes a reality, Tim May is going to be one of the first ones killed. He's pissed off too many people. Once they can get retribution anonymously, his days are numbered. What, exactly, has Tim done that

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:06 PM 8/31/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: The Mob doesn't actually have to kill too many stoolies for it to be widely known that ratting can be a very dangerous business. Ask David Kelly. Or his associates. Reputation is a tool.

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2003-09-02 Thread Tim May
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Re: CDR: [AntiSocial] Syracuse U tracks the Department of Homeland Security (fwd)

2003-09-02 Thread Justin
J.A. Terranson (2003-09-01 04:33Z) wrote: which, curiously, shows Boulder with zero full-time DHS employees but San Miguel (Telluride) with 7! That must be where all the terrorists ski. -- No man is clever enough to Times are bad. Children no longer know all the evil he does.

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread Sunder
Indeed. Despite all of Tim's rage, we're still just rats in a cage, and despite Tim's urging of necklacing ISP owners, or other foam at the mouth arm-chair solutions, Occam's razor still supplies the better, and cleaner solutions: If your MTA has it, turn on the START TLS option. If it doesn't,

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2003-09-02 Thread ken
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2003-09-02 Thread ken
This piece of political PR was sent to a mailing list intended for internal reporting of computer problems at a university, so was obviously automatically grabbed. Maybe someone sold them a list of ac.uk addresses. Dr Sean Gabb wrote: 2nd September 2003 Dear Educator, We are writing to

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2003-09-02 Thread ken
Whoops - apologies for stupid posting here caused by /me/ being a prat with my mail program. Though the message body it isn't entirely off-topic here - the subject line is quite unrelated to it. Mea culpa. Ken ken wrote: This piece of political PR was sent to a mailing list intended for

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2003-09-02 Thread Peter Wayner
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Re: Needed a WiFi FidoNet

2003-09-02 Thread Cubic Dog
Steve Schear wrote: It would seems that the means may soon be at hand for using WiFi, or WiFi-like, equipment to create ad hoc, meshed, non-commercial networks. The means are at hand, have been at hand for quite a few years in the form of packet radio, and now of course, as you say, wi-fi. Folks

Re: Searching for uncopyable key made of sparkles in plastic

2003-09-02 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Peter Wayner wrote: Can anyone give me a reference to this paper/project? Is it the MIT project with a laser and glass balls in epoxide resin? http://slashdot.org/articles/02/09/20/1217221.shtml?tid=172 http://www.nature.com/nsu/020916/020916-15.html

Re: JAP back doored

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http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-02.09.03-005/ German police have searched and seized the rooms (dorm?) of one of the JAP developers. They were on the look for data that was logged throughout the period when JAP had to log specific traffic. The JAP-people say that the seizure was not

Re: Searching for uncopyable key made of sparkles in plastic

2003-09-02 Thread R. A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:59:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Searching for uncopyable key made of sparkles in plastic Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ravi Pappu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter, That paper was the result of

Re: Responding to orders which include a secrecy requirement

2003-09-02 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May is the perfect example why vigilante justice is generally considered to be a bad thing -- stupid assholes like Tim May spout off take action based on paranoia instead of facts principles of anarchy instead of justice and innocent parties get hurt. Well, on one hand taking justice into

Re: Terror Reading

2003-09-02 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim wrote: Even the owner of my ISP is narcing me out. Read what he wrote recently to a Net.Nazi who wanted my speech limited: I'm sorry that Tim is being a bother again. He has a long history of being obnoxious and threatening. So far, he has not broken any laws. We have talked to the

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2003-09-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:03:00PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Anonymous wrote: Some librarians are probably now thinking they have a patriotic duty to see what people are reading and to report any suspicious behavior. First of all, the entire library community is

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