Re: ZKS: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-25 Thread William H. Geiger III
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/23/00 at 10:25 PM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So WTF is going on? You say you received it, which list node are you subscribed to? Did anyone else receive it? Ah, maybe only openpgp.net is getting them? That's the

Re: ZKS: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-24 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You say you received it, which list node are you subscribed to? Did anyone else receive it? I did, about 10 copies. I am subscribed to openpgp.net. Mark __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends

Re: ZKS: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-23 Thread Harmon Seaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So WTF is going on? You say you received it, which list node are you subscribed to? Did anyone else receive it? Ah, maybe only openpgp.net is getting them? That's the one I'm subscribed to -- and I got, I think, 5 copies now of that post. Speaking of

Re: ZKS: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
And this is at least the 3rd time I've gotten it, probably everyone else did also -- so what's your point? Or are you just spamming? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (try again #3...) Tim writes: (Of course, the fact that their extremely complicated Terms and Conditions means they will

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Reese
At 04:04 PM 17/07/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote: From: "Jim Choate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anarchism says YOU'RE the master. We talk about two different things, then. Not at all. Consider the relationship between authority, identity, and individuality between the two. You'll

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] That Marcel is so actively "spreading the good word" on the Cypherpunks list is truly bizarre. I'm not "spreading the good word", idiot. I was objecting to Jim Choate's idea that anarchism and Christianity are incompatible. Mark

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread David Honig
At 10:02 AM 7/18/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote: X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] That Marcel is so actively "spreading the good word" on the Cypherpunks list is truly bizarre. I'm not "spreading the good word", idiot. I was objecting to Jim Choate's idea that anarchism

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-17 Thread Tim May
At 4:40 PM -0400 7/17/00, Jim Burnes wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Marcel Popescu wrote: Matthew 22:17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" 18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-17 Thread Jim Burnes
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Marcel Popescu wrote: Matthew 22:17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" 18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-17 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Jim Choate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anarchism says YOU'RE the master. We talk about two different things, then. Not at all. Consider the relationship between authority, identity, and individuality between the two. You'll have to be more explicit than that, if you

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-14 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Jim Choate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which raises a philosophical question, how would a Christian Anarchist resolve the conflict in their beliefs? What conflict? I'm a Christian anarchist, you made me curious... Simply taking the law away won't make people honest,

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-14 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "dmolnar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I expect that Marcel Popescu will rise to this, but... :) Another way of looking at this is to recognize God's authority as so important that merely human authority must fall by the wayside. Then reject the notion of a theocracy run by

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-14 Thread dmolnar
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Marcel Popescu wrote: Look at what happened to Lloyd's of London. What happened? The "names" (investors) of Lloyd's of London had unlimited liability for the losses of the firm, "right down to the last cufflink." No one noticed or cared much while Lloyd's was doing

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-13 Thread BENHAM TIMOTHY JAMES
Tim May scribe: At 1:10 AM -0400 7/13/00, Kevin Elliott wrote: This belief seems to be evolving toward government enforced privacy laws. The thing that strikes me however is that the original right is by no means obvious. The information being gathered is not secret, nor is the

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-13 Thread Steven Furlong
Kevin Elliott wrote: (regarding collection of personal data by corps) The information being gathered is not secret, nor is the information being gathered (generally speaking) using inherently illegal (or immoral) techniques. Agreed. The only reason it's a serious problem that needs to be

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-12 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] an economy based on "nyms" is a pipe dream. No human has ever purchased a car, or purchased a home, or taken out a loan, or started a business, or gotten a job by using an anonymous "nym". Any significant economic transaction, in both the real

Tim May (was Re: ZKS: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?)

2000-07-12 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Greg Newby" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since Tim May likes insulting people publicly, I decided to broadcast my retort. If you don't like harsh language and people insulting each other, you'll want to skip this note. Yeah, Tim is quite an idiot lately (a few years)? He

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-12 Thread Kevin Elliott
Can I make sure it is only being used for the reason I disclosed, and not for other reasons I didn't approve? I doubt that. In fact, I think it's impossible. In fact, I like that it's impossible - it's THEIR information now, and you shouldn't have the ability to prevent someone from using