Re: ID cards+law history

2001-09-23 Thread keyser-soze
At 08:00 PM 9/23/2001 -0700, citizenQ wrote: The scholarly informed citations are useful and interesting. But haven't we been put on notice that a rebalancing is going to occur, it's a new world and we will use every measure at our disposal to combat terrorism ?? - I fear it is naive to

From Washington Times

2001-09-23 Thread measl
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) - U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday the Bush administration would soon offer proof of Osama bin Laden's alleged involvement in the recent terror attacks on New York and Washington. In the near future,

TheRegister on anti-crypto/stego-hype in US media; UMich report

2001-09-23 Thread Xeni Jardin
The Register (UK) published this snarky article, below, poking fun at recent anti-stego/crypto-hype in the American press in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. USA Toady is either a pretty funny typo, or a pretty funny dis. The article references a CITI/U.Mich. report from 31 August, Detecting

Expectation of privacy in public?

2001-09-23 Thread Anonymous
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RE: ID cards+law history;

2001-09-23 Thread Xeni Jardin
I fear it is naive to imagine that case law and legal precedent can combat the legislative onslaught to come. All bets are definitely off. IANAL, but what seems most relevant to the discussion of national ID cards from the earlier 1983 decision was the court's affirmation that citizens

Re: anonymous digital cash and other (now) iffy stuff

2001-09-23 Thread Jim Choate
No, it's the lack of a credible threat of such a system being put in place. Once the system is in place it is too late to impliment crypto to recover. There are other similar cause-effect logic errors in your arguments as well. On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Ryan Lackey wrote: The greatest enemy of

CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?

2001-09-23 Thread CDR Anonymizer
The cypherpunks list received yet another copy of the Nigerian Corrupt Official's Bank Account scam spam. No surprise, though lne.com's filters usually block them. The interesting thing was that this claims to be sent by the CDR Anonymizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the first time I've

Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?

2001-09-23 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:23:27AM -0700, Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Saturday, September 22, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A FINANCIAL LOSS write Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP on the

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Re: FC: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA

2001-09-23 Thread keyser-soze
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Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?

2001-09-23 Thread Karsten M. Self
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Re: Preparedness

2001-09-23 Thread auto301094
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Larry Ellison volunteers to donate the S/W for Nat. ID Cards

2001-09-23 Thread citizenQ
In the SJ Mercury News this morning: Ellison, (who doesn't think that laws pertaining to other people pertain to him, evidenced by his refusal to obey flight curfew laws regulating takeoffs and landings at SJ Airport) volunteers to donate all the Oracle-ware necessary to deploy National ID

Re: Larry Ellison, Nazi Collaborator: Oracle for Natl ID

2001-09-23 Thread Bill Stewart
A system like this would certainly make sure that if you walk into an airport, and say that you're Larry Ellison, and want to take off in your private jet during evening quiet hours, or your flight plan says you'll arrive at your destination during that airport's evening quiet hours, the airport

Re: Rumsfelt vs. bin Laden

2001-09-23 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 01:08 PM, An Metet wrote: Looking at the pictures of Rumdumb and Osama side by side on the CNN page today, I was struck by the undeniable fact that Osama was a whole lot more appealing. Likewise when I see him next to Dubbya. And I have no interest in

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2001-09-23 Thread citizenQ
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TIME.com: Nation -- TIME Exclusive: Cropduster Manual Discovered in Suspected Terrorist Hideout

2001-09-23 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: FUCK ORACLE,FUCK LARRY ELLISON

2001-09-23 Thread An Metet
Yeah, but will you divest?

UK lameness, with apologies to Brown, Trei, etc.

2001-09-23 Thread Subcommander Bob
[On MI6 deep cover agents] They are the closest thing the intelligence services have to James Bond. They are even licensed to kill  but only in self-defence. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/4326959 [ LOL. Here in the states, we don't need a *license* to kill in self defense. You don't

Larry Ellison, Nazi Collaborator: Oracle for Natl ID

2001-09-23 Thread Subcommander Bob
http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/ellsn092301.htm Idea driven by security concerns BY PAUL ROGERS AND ELISE ACKERMAN Mercury News Broaching a controversial subject that has gained visibility since the Sept. 11 terrorist

Re: Op-ed on encryption: Privacy is no longer an argument

2001-09-23 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:10 PM 09/23/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: It is bait and switch, but the argument is that if the cops have keys to the house of the guy who drove the car into yours, they can go see if he's got any co-conspirators and arrest them, so the risk

Re: Death of \'nations\'?

2001-09-23 Thread auto301094
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Jim wrote: Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the concept of 'nation'? Are we faced with the incontrovertible truth that we either abandon the concepts of science/technology, accept a autocratic state where our every move is reviewed for threat

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Re: FUCK ORACLE,FUCK LARRY ELLISON

2001-09-23 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 03:40 PM, An Metet wrote: Yeah, but will you divest? Yes. --Tim May

FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON

2001-09-23 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line. Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-) As the D.C. types would say, that has no traction. Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was

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Re: FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON

2001-09-23 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:32 PM 09/23/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line. Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-) As the D.C. types would say, that has no traction.

419 letter (was Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?)

2001-09-23 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 07:35:58AM -0400, Steve Furlong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: ...neatly sidestepping the fact that fraud is a crime, stupidity isn't. Stupidity _is_ a natural crime. Mommy states have attempted to repeal that law, but succeed mainly in

Re: 419 letter (was Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?)

2001-09-23 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 04:25 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 07:35:58AM -0400, Steve Furlong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: ...neatly sidestepping the fact that fraud is a crime, stupidity isn't. Stupidity _is_ a natural crime. Mommy

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ID cards+law history;

2001-09-23 Thread citizenQ
The scholarly informed citations are useful and interesting. But haven't we been put on notice that a rebalancing is going to occur, it's a new world and we will use every measure at our disposal to combat terrorism ?? - I fear it is naive to imagine that case law and legal precedent can

Guardian Unlimited Observer | UK News | Fury at plan to sell off DNA secrets

2001-09-23 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON

2001-09-23 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a Boycott Adobe campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a Boycott Oracle campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for

Re: FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON

2001-09-23 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a Boycott Adobe campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a Boycott Oracle campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for

(off-list) Re: Cypherpunks List Info

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Re: What might have happened on Sept. 11...

2001-09-23 Thread David Honig
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Intercepts foretold of 'big attack' -- The Washington Times

2001-09-23 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?

2001-09-23 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 01:35 AM, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:23:27AM -0700, Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Saturday, September 22, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED

Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?

2001-09-23 Thread Jim Choate
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RE: Re: Cooksey: Expect racial profiling

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Fwd: Re: FC: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA

2001-09-23 Thread keyser-soze
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Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?

2001-09-23 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, September 22, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A FINANCIAL LOSS write Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP on the documents you have received and Fax them to the Task Force at 202-406-6930

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Re: Preparedness (ultralight attack on statue of liberty)

2001-09-23 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:08:06AM -0700, David Honig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 09:45 PM 9/21/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: Any attack with VX or similar nerve gas would kill tens of thousands fairly quickly. Gas masks of no use, due to lack of coverage of all exposed skin, and leakage. Gas

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Re: Cooksey: Expect racial profiling

2001-09-23 Thread Bill Stewart
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