Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread Sarad AV
--- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When asked about > the issue that most > influenced their vote, voters were given the option > of saying "moral > values." But that phrase can mean anything - or > nothing. Who doesn't vote > on moral values? If you ask an inept question, you > get

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2004-11-07 Thread Enzo Michelangeli
- Original Message - From: "Ian Grigg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:21 AM [Hal:] > > Interesting. In the e-gold case, both parties have the same bank, > > e-go

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2004-11-07 Thread Ian Grigg
(Guys, this has drifted out of crypto into finance, so I have a feeling that it will disappear of the crypto list. But the topics that are raised are interesting and important enough to carry on, I think.) >> > [Hal:] >> > Interesting. In the e-gold case, both parties have the same bank, >> > e-

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Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- J.A. Terranson wrote: > The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub. > You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. > Inaction is not good enough. Voting is not a solution. Voting only encourages them. If you vote for a candidate, and he wins,

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2004-11-07 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: Tom Wolfe: 'Talk to someone in Cincinnati? Are you crazy?'

2004-11-07 Thread John Young
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2004-11-07 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, James A. Donald wrote: > J.A. Terranson wrote: > > The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub. > > You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. > > Inaction is not good enough. > > Voting is not a solution. > > Voting only enc

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Re: Faith in democracy, not government

2004-11-07 Thread John Young
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Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well, every people deserve the government they get, and these hillbillies > are no exception. Bush will dominate them, take away their rights, make them > poor and scared, and they'll deserve every bit of it. (Where's a Tim May > rant when you need one?)

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Blackbox: Elections fraud in 2004

2004-11-07 Thread Ben
See also. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm > -Original Message- > From: J.A. Terranson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 9:09 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Blackbox: Elections f

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Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread Tyler Durden
JAT wrote... This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip Up The Chimneys. A...I need a cigarette. But I suspect it's far more likely that some large batch of USA-ians will end up having a

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: > Received: from 24.90.217.26 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; > JAT wrote... > > >This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million > >people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip > >Up Th

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-07 Thread Peter Gutmann
"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I find this very hard to believe. Post links, or give citations. Normally I'd dig up various refs, but since this topic has been beaten to death repeatedly in places like soc.history.medieval, and the debate could well go on endlessly in the manner

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2004-11-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Jason wrote: > Republican Lists > > http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=RPC&cycle=2004 > http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=RNC&cycle=2004 > http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=NRCC&cycle=2004 > http://www.opensecrets.org/partie

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2004-11-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
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Re: The St. Louis Pledge

2004-11-07 Thread Pete Capelli
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:40:22 -0600 (CST), J.A. Terranson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > St. Louis Pledge Against Fascism: > > "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered by a > contributor to George Bush's campaign. This is my contribution to the > survival of freedom i

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: > Nobles expected to surrender to other nobles and be ransomed. > Commoners didn't respect this, and almost never took prisoners. > Henry's orders didn't make that much difference, at best they were a > "we'll turn a blind eye" notification to his troops. The english arm

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-07 Thread Peter Gutmann
"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Peter Gutmann wrote: >>Nobles expected to surrender to other nobles and be ransomed. >>Commoners didn't respect this, and almost never took prisoners. >>Henry's orders didn't make that much difference, at best they were a >>"we'll turn a blind eye" not

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