RE: Manhattan Mid-Afternoon

2001-09-13 Thread Samuli Suonpaa
Peter Trei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Stewart[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote And even then, Swedish president Palme was assassinated some years ago. [...] He was far from merely a Swedish president. Quite true. He was Swedish prime-minister, there is no president in _Kingdom_ of Sweden.

Re: Bombings, Surveillance, and Free Societies

2001-09-13 Thread casey . iverson
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Re: Basking in the Glow of Terror

2001-09-13 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On 12 Sep 2001, at 23:30, Frog2 wrote: Assertion: The overt sophistication of this attack was such that I have a hard time believing the perps would leave so many obvious clues behind without intending to. These are suicide attacks. Why do they care what clues they leave? Interesting

Ending States That Support Terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread Eric Cordian
Anyone have the list of countries that Bush is planning on scheduling for termination? I would imagine Afganistan and Iraq are the first two. Will he toss in Syria, Sudan, and Libya as well? It looks like the game that is being played here, is that all countries are being given an opportunity

Re: Ending States That Support Terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 02:36:14PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: So when's the Congress going to outlaw encryption? I assume we'll all be expected to make such small sacrifices for the larger good. I assume you wrote this before you saw my Wired article on the topic. -Declan

Eric Hughes' email

2001-09-13 Thread Dr. Evil
Hi, does anyone have a copy of the email Eric Hughes sent out? I somehow didn't get it and I can't find it in the archive. Thanks!

RE: Congress mulls crypto restrictions in response to attacks

2001-09-13 Thread Aimee Farr
Amateur radio was the first casualty after Pearl Harbor. Some criticize the action now, of course. ~Aimee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians?

2001-09-13 Thread Declan McCullagh
I agree with Liz. This violates journalistic principles (old footage can be used but must be labeled file footage or similar) and would expose CNN to withering criticism from its competitors and other journalists. Worth ignoring. -Declan On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, lizard wrote:

New flight rules

2001-09-13 Thread -=Drake=-
That won't work you dolt! You are forgetting about string, cord, and belts. No belts! And no long fingernails! They should just handcuff us to our seats. And let us up one at a time to go potty. Yeah, that's it. Dynamite Bob wrote: Airlines would only be allowed to provide passengers with

A Call for a Chorus of Voices

2001-09-13 Thread Eric Hughes
2001 September 13 A Call for a Chorus of Voices To All Who Would Defend Liberty and Freedom: Yesterday I wrote an open letter to all my fellow citizens. Today I write to all those who would defend liberty, on-line and everywhere else, from the looming threat of demagoguery that now hangs

Re: Congress mulls crypto restrictions in response to attacks

2001-09-13 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 01:58 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html Congress Mulls Stiff Crypto Laws By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 1:45 p.m. Sep. 13, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- The encryption wars have begun.

RE: Cypherpunks and terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Nomen Nescio wrote: It is at exactly this time that soul searching is most appropriate. Now is when you should ask yourself: Am I doing the right thing? Am I making the world a better place? You don't have to convince some devil's advocate. Just convince yourself. Nomen assumes

RE: Cypherpunks and terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
Greg Broiles writes: I propose that this sort of discussion - about whether or not, in the face of violence and tragedy, some aspect of human freedom and expression can be suitably justified to satisfy every self-appointed devil's advocate - is absolutely unproductive and serves only to

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Privacy Trade-Offs Reassessed (washingtonpost.com)

2001-09-13 Thread Jim Choate
http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/4m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21207-2001Sep12.html -- -- natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty

An assault on liberty?

2001-09-13 Thread Peter Wayner
I realize that many will use this event as an excuse for many political agendas, but I think it's important that we think through exactly what happened. It doesn't seem like it was an assault on liberty or a misuse of the liberties we have. Most people can't fly planes. The learning process

Re: J. Neil Schulman On I can't take it anymore ....

2001-09-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:15 AM 9/13/2001 -0700, Derek Balling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:28 PM -0700 9/12/01, Steve Schear wrote: If local police officers who fly were allowed to carry their guns with them, warned only to switch to frangible ammunition, this couldn't have happened. But they are. On U.S.

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2001-09-13 Thread Dynamite Bob
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Re: Cypherpunks and terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
Declan McCullagh writes: On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities. They want to see a crackdown on liberties, a police state. This

Re: An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity

2001-09-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
Eric Hughes wrote: 2001 September 12 An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity It's a well written letter, unquestionably. But there's a problem. While the title of the letter refers to privacy and anonymity, these terms are hardly used in the body. Privacy is referred to only in the first

American Muslims being attacked and harassed

2001-09-13 Thread Matthew Gaylor
Unfortunately I've been getting reports from around the US of American Muslims being attacked and harassed. If you want to stay on top of the latest news I recommend that you subscribe to The Muslim Student Association News mailing list (MSANEWS). The list is fairly high volume, but does

U.S. Held Liable in '90 Kidnap

2001-09-13 Thread Dynamite Bob
http://latimes.com/news/local/la-73744sep13.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia U.S. Held Liable in '90 Kidnap Ruling: A court says the government-arranged abduction of a Mexican doctor sought in the murder of a DEA agent broke international law.

Re: Cypherpunks and terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread M.D. Tate
It's always amazing to see how stupid the responses are to various messages. There seems to be no limit to the ignorance of the cypherpunks. It is well known that this is a motivation for many terrorists. If you will not believe it from an anonymous message, perhaps you will be convinced by

U.S. hypocrisy about freedom of press in U.S.-hating countries

2001-09-13 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 09:43 AM, citizenQ wrote: VIA CNN this AM: (somewhat paraphrasing) Bush Sr., speaking to some corporate collection of cronies: We'll also have to look at this Internet thing you all know so much about, and review our policies... Gephardt: We don't

Re: Cypherpunks and terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread Howie Goodell
Nomen Nescio wrote: The fact is, crypto as we know it is a luxury. It didn't even exist ten years ago. None of the crypto tools we use did. We can hardly make a case that banning or restricting access to them will send us back into the stone age. Please, let's end these spurious arguments

Shades of X-Files

2001-09-13 Thread keyser-soze
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Unconfirmed reports just coming in that one of the WTC recovered bodies may be that of Chandra Levy... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.0 wmAEARECACAFAjuhEE8ZHGtleXNlci1zb3plQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRAg4ui5IoBV

RE: Cypherpunk Threat Analysis (scramble near Crawford)

2001-09-13 Thread Aimee Farr
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim May Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cypherpunk Threat Analysis On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 08:39 AM, Aimee Farr wrote: For the sick

CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians?

2001-09-13 Thread Matthew Gaylor
CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians Can anyone verify this? http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946 ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send

Re: Alejandro transports

2001-09-13 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Eric Murray wrote: I think I have seen examples of this before, but I can't remember where. Does anyone know who or what generates it? [example snipped] Looks like random stuff/stego generated using a jargon file for nouns. The grammar is coherent, so it is likely built on

An assault on liberty?

2001-09-13 Thread Peter Wayner
I realize that many will use this event as an excuse for many political agendas, but I think it's important that we think through exactly what happened. It doesn't seem like it was an assault on liberty or a misuse of the liberties we have. Most people can't fly planes. The learning process

Re: J. Neil Schulman On I can't take it anymore ....

2001-09-13 Thread Derek Balling
At 10:28 PM -0700 9/12/01, Steve Schear wrote: If local police officers who fly were allowed to carry their guns with them, warned only to switch to frangible ammunition, this couldn't have happened. But they are. On U.S. domestic flights they have merely to present themselves and acceptable

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2001-09-13 Thread mark6542
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IP: [ I take it back djf ] U.S. Intelligence Gathering Reviewed(fwd)

2001-09-13 Thread Eugene Leitl
-- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/;leitl/a __ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu,

Cypherpunk Threat Analysis

2001-09-13 Thread Aimee Farr
For the sick people in here that like to call for TNA's (target name and address) for judicial officials etc. -- NLECTC Law Enforcement Corrections Technology News Summary Thursday, September 13, 2001 -- Technological Advances in Assessing Threats to Judicial Officials Sheriff (08/01) Vol. 53,

Letter to U.S. Agencies

2001-09-13 Thread Blanc
I am sending this to certain appropriate representatives: Osama Bin Ladin said in an interview: We have seen in the last decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier who is ready to wage Cold Wars and unprepared to fight long wars. But American

RE: Manhattan Mid-Afternoon

2001-09-13 Thread jamesd
-- On 12 Sep 2001, at 14:59, Trei, Peter wrote: I sincerely hope that the remaining perpetrators of this atrocity are found and punished, but entertain no illusions that doing so will prevent future attacks. That can only come from a shift of US government attitude from I've got the

Anonymizer Op Safe Investigation / Official Anonymity

2001-09-13 Thread Aimee Farr
Anonymizer.com Launches 'Operation Safe Investigation' to Help Law Enforcement and Journalism Professionals Maintain Anonymity and Safety Online PRNewswire (09/06/01) NLECTC Law Enforcement Corrections Technology News Summary Thursday, September 13, 2001 ... Anonymizer.com just debuted its

Re: J. Neil Schulman On I can't take it anymore ....

2001-09-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 10:01 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:28:24PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote: But they are. On U.S. domestic flights they have merely to present themselves and acceptable credentials (which BTW the airline personnel are poorly trained to authenticate)

RE: Cypherpunks and terrorism

2001-09-13 Thread cubic-dog
Many people have made this point, but it is so fundamentally wrong that it's hard to believe that anyone takes it seriously. No one really does. Paper, and metal, and knives, and airplanes, and all the other things which have been compared to anonymity tools, are different in one major

Congress mulls crypto restrictions in response to attacks

2001-09-13 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html Congress Mulls Stiff Crypto Laws By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 1:45 p.m. Sep. 13, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- The encryption wars have begun. For nearly a decade, privacy mavens have been worrying that a

Re: CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians?

2001-09-13 Thread Adam Shostack
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, lizard wrote: | Matthew Gaylor wrote: | | CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians | | Can anyone verify this? | | http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946 | | Reading through the following comments,

DES cracked by teenagers? (fwd)

2001-09-13 Thread Jim Choate
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:32:13 -0400 From: Steve Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DES cracked by teenagers? According to http://www.hk-imail.com/inews/public/article_v.cfm?articleid=28867intcatid=1, some teenagers reportedly

Investigators Identify 50 Terrorists Tied to Plot

2001-09-13 Thread Jim Choate
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-091301terror.story -- -- natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks

Re: New FAA measures likely to fail as well

2001-09-13 Thread jamesd
-- On 12 Sep 2001, at 19:24, Steve Schear wrote: The knife ban won't work against anyone with even a smidgen of metal detector knowledge. Anyone can purchase a razor sharp ceramic knife like this one http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Rd6ExOvaDz8:www.smarthome.