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Most hardware solutions that I'm aware of support 1024-bit modular arithmetic. I don't know how easy or hard it is to do 2048-bit ops with 1024-bit primitives, or is there any 2048-bit HW around. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Games -

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Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread David Howe
Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that changes the game in the middle of play, the sequence of digits in pi is fixed, not random. You can't get a random number from a constant. Otherwise it wouldn't be a constant. PRNG output is fixed/repeatable too - that is a properly you *want* from a

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RE: Lucky's 1024-bit post [was: RE: objectivity and factoring analysis]

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Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, David Howe wrote: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that changes the game in the middle of play, the sequence of digits in pi is fixed, not random. You can't get a random number from a constant. Otherwise it wouldn't be a constant. PRNG output is

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It has been suggested by some that a PRNG can be created that is -not- repeating. There is a property of -all- RNG's that is called k-distribution. For a RNG to -be- a RNG it -must- be infinity-distributed. This means that there are -no- string repititions -ever-. If this can't be guaranteed

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

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Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Sandy Harris
Jim Choate wrote: PRNG output is fixed/repeatable too - that is a properly you *want* from a PRNG. No it isn't. You -want- a RNG but you can't have one. Nobody -wants- a PRNG, they -settle- for it. That is nearly true for crypto applications, but it certainly isn't for some others.

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Re: Two ideas for random number generation

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Tim May wrote: On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 11:23 PM, Joseph Ashwood wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If a RNG runs off Johnson noise, then the ability to predict its output would imply the ability to violate the second law of thermodynamics. If it runs off shot noise, then the

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Sunder
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Jim Choate wrote: If you can't develop a RNG in software (ie you'd be in a state of sin), what makes you think you can do it using -only- digital gates in hardware? You can't. James A. Donald: Classic Choatian physics.

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Optimizzin Al-gorithym
At 11:55 AM 4/24/02 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Riad S. Wahby wrote: This may take more voltage than you want to use in your process, but you can engineer the base-emitter junction if you've got a friend in process engineering. You can also use common guard structures to

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RE: Lucky's 1024-bit post [was: RE: objectivity and factoring analysis]

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Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Very, very few applications, and no cryptographic libraries that I am aware of, that currently employ RSA perform any kind of sanity check on the size of the keys. There are both applications and crypto libraries which perform fairly extensive checking

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread David Howe
No it isn't. You -want- a RNG but you can't have one. Nobody -wants- a PRNG, they -settle- for it. I think there is some confusion here - if you are using a PRNG as a stream cypher, the last thing in the world you want is for it to be truely random - you need to sync up two prngs in order to

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Optimizzin Al-gorithym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also use common guard structures to isolate the HV part of the chip, without dicking with the Delicate Recipes (process) which you Don't Want To Do And Probably Wouldn't Be Allowed To Anyway. Also helps keep digital switching noise out

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Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread R. A. Hettinga
I seem to be channeling mathematicians this morning... Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Status: U From: Somebody with a sheepskin... To: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Two ideas for random number generation Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:44:41 -0600 Bob, Tim's examples are

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread georgemw
On 24 Apr 2002 at 17:41, David Howe wrote: Maybe for you, I sure as hell wouldn't use it either as a key or as a seed into a known hashing/whiting algorithm. its probably a better (if much slower) stream cypher than most currently in use; I can't think of any that have larger than a 256

Re: RE: Lucky's 1024-bit post [was: RE: objectivity and factoring analysis]

2002-04-24 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Most hardware solutions that I'm aware of support 1024-bit modular arithmetic. I don't know how easy or hard it is to do 2048-bit ops with 1024-bit primitives, or is there any 2048-bit HW around. For encryption, you're out of

Sources for GBPS random bits

2002-04-24 Thread Tim May
I'll probably regret proposing such things, but here goes. First, I'm not sure there are plausible reasons for GBPS (giga bit per second) sources of random bits. Generating a OTP for a CD-ROM scheme is certainly not such a situation. Padding a PipeNet link may be one, but then all your need

Re: (P)RNG's and k-distribution

2002-04-24 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a RNG to -be- a RNG it -must- be infinity-distributed. This means that there are -no- string repititions -ever-. Ummm, wrong. That would imply that in a binary stream, once 0 has been used it can never be used again. This of

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Re: Quantum mechanics, England, and Topos Theory

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On 23 Apr 2002 at 18:56, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 11:18 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Back nearer to on-topic, Tim's explanation why the world could not be predicted even if it were locally (microscopically) predictable sounds spot-on. It's not my idea, obviously. But the

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hi, With reference to the following url http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1750.txt As in idea 1 what about choosing 2 independent bit file streams. Then as in RFC 1750 6.1.1 A Trivial Mixing Function (page 14), make a 3rd bit file stream such that We xor For i=0 to n bit(i)file3=bit(i)file1

Re:Two ideas for random number generators

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RE: Lucky's 1024-bit post [was: RE: objectivity and factoring analysis]

2002-04-24 Thread Morlock Elloi
Most hardware solutions that I'm aware of support 1024-bit modular arithmetic. I don't know how easy or hard it is to do 2048-bit ops with 1024-bit primitives, or is there any 2048-bit HW around. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Games -

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread David Howe
Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that changes the game in the middle of play, the sequence of digits in pi is fixed, not random. You can't get a random number from a constant. Otherwise it wouldn't be a constant. PRNG output is fixed/repeatable too - that is a properly you *want* from a

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2002-04-24 Thread Lucky Green
Peter wrote: I have seen hard drives which do sector level encryption, and hook into the bios so that the pw request happens before any system sw runs. This is a good solution (modulo bios hacking)[...] Any such hard drives that I have seen keep the actual encryption key utilized in

RE: Lucky's 1024-bit post [was: RE: objectivity and factoring analysis]

2002-04-24 Thread John Young
Lucky is to be commended for igniting a neglected aspect of the crypto wars: what happens to cryptosystems over time after they have been invented, tested, criticized, vetted and conditionally trusted, then gradually widely distributed as the best available under practical usage, then

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, David Howe wrote: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that changes the game in the middle of play, the sequence of digits in pi is fixed, not random. You can't get a random number from a constant. Otherwise it wouldn't be a constant. PRNG output is

(P)RNG's and k-distribution

2002-04-24 Thread Jim Choate
It has been suggested by some that a PRNG can be created that is -not- repeating. There is a property of -all- RNG's that is called k-distribution. For a RNG to -be- a RNG it -must- be infinity-distributed. This means that there are -no- string repititions -ever-. If this can't be guaranteed

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Sampo Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't there dedicated avalanche diodes available with low breakdown voltages, precisely for this reason? I think they're used in applications where zeners could be, except for higher breakdown current. Sure. I was thinking of an IC design, in which

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread Sunder
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Jim Choate wrote: If you can't develop a RNG in software (ie you'd be in a state of sin), what makes you think you can do it using -only- digital gates in hardware? You can't. James A. Donald: Classic Choatian physics.

Re: Two ideas for random number generation

2002-04-24 Thread georgemw
On 24 Apr 2002 at 17:41, David Howe wrote: Maybe for you, I sure as hell wouldn't use it either as a key or as a seed into a known hashing/whiting algorithm. its probably a better (if much slower) stream cypher than most currently in use; I can't think of any that have larger than a 256

Re: Quantum mechanics, England, and Topos Theory

2002-04-24 Thread georgemw
On 23 Apr 2002 at 18:56, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 11:18 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Back nearer to on-topic, Tim's explanation why the world could not be predicted even if it were locally (microscopically) predictable sounds spot-on. It's not my idea, obviously. But the