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Bram wrote:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/770511.asp?cp1=1
Of course, the TCPA has nothing to do with security or
privacy, since those are OS-level things. All it can really
do is ensure you're running a particular OS.
It's amazing the TCPA isn't raising all kinds of red flags at
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
From: Paul Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
I would think a TCP _with_ ownership of the TPM would be every paranoid
cypherpunk's wet dream. A box which would tell you if it had been tampered
with either in hardware or software?
I tried sending this last week, but it did not seem to go through:
Two points:
1. According to Poulson, the DOJ proposal never
discussed just what would be logged. Poulson
compared it to the European Big Brother legislation,
which required storage to Web browsing
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I, for one, can vouch for the fact that TCPA could absolutely
be applied to a DRM application. In a previous life I actually
designed a DRM system (the company has since gone under). In
our research and development in '96-98, we decided that you need
at least some trusted hardware at the client
It's an interesting claim, but there is only one small problem.
Neither Ross Anderson nor Lucky Green offers any evidence that the TCPA
(http://www.trustedcomputing.org) is being designed for the support of
digital rights management (DRM) applications.
Microsoft admits it:
It seems clear at least if DRM is an application than DRM applications would benefit
from the increased trust and architecturally that such trust would be needed to
enforce/ensure some/all of the requirements of the Hollings bill.
hawk
Lucky Green wrote:
other
technical solution that
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 08:15:29AM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
From: Paul Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
To: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The
important question is not whether trusted platforms are a good
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hall? Was that 1995 or 1996? It cannot have been later; I know that I
was still working for
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Ross Anderson wrote:
... that means making sure the PC is the hub of the
future home network; and if entertainment's the killer app, and DRM is
the key technology for entertainment, then the PC must do DRM.
Recently there have been a number of articles pointing out how much
money Microsoft
For those who question the use of the TCPA spec as part of a DRM
system, I refer you to the following article where the author
interviewed Jim Ward of IBM (one of the authors of the TCPA spec) --
http://www.101com.com/solutions/security/article.asp?ArticleID=3266
In particular, note the
Ross Anderson writes:
During my investigations into TCPA, I learned that HP has started a
development program to produce a TCPA-compliant version of GNU/linux.
I couldn't figure out how they planned to make money out of this. On
Thursday, at the Open Source Software Economics conference, I
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Anonymous wrote:
The amazing thing about this discussion is that there are two pieces
of conventional wisdom which people in the cypherpunk/EFF/freedom
communities adhere to, and they are completely contradictory.
Makes for lively conversation doesn't it :-)
Pete Chown wrote quoting Ross:
You need a valid signature on the binary, plus a cert to
use the TCPA
PKI. That will cost you money (if not at first, then eventually).
I think it would be a breach of the GPL to stop people
redistributing the signature: You must cause any work that
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Anonymous wrote:
Furthermore, inherent to the TCPA concept is that the chip can in
effect be turned off. No one proposes to forbid you from booting a
non-compliant OS or including non-compliant drivers.
Good point. At least I hope they don't. :-)
There is not even social opprobrium; look
I think Bob made some great points about my book, but it's clear that
this debate
is revolving around a few sentences in Bob's review. Perhaps he miscategorizes
Brin, perhaps he doesn't. I haven't read _Transparent Society_ in some time.
Still, it's important to realize that this isn't just a
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Bram wrote:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/770511.asp?cp1=1
Of course, the TCPA has nothing to do with security or
privacy, since those are OS-level things. All it can really
do is ensure you're running a particular OS.
It's amazing the TCPA isn't raising all kinds of red flags at
the
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
From: Paul Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
To: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 6/23/02 6:50 AM, R. A. Hettinga at [EMAIL
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
From: Paul Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
I would think a TCP _with_ ownership of the TPM would be every paranoid
cypherpunk's wet dream. A box which would tell you if it had been tampered
with either in hardware or software?
On Israel's decision to deport families of martyrs:
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I, for one, can vouch for the fact that TCPA could absolutely
be applied to a DRM application. In a previous life I actually
designed a DRM system (the company has since gone under). In
our research and development in '96-98, we decided that you need
at least some trusted hardware at the client
It's an interesting claim, but there is only one small problem.
Neither Ross Anderson nor Lucky Green offers any evidence that the TCPA
(http://www.trustedcomputing.org) is being designed for the support of
digital rights management (DRM) applications.
Microsoft admits it:
It seems clear at least if DRM is an application than DRM applications would benefit
from the increased trust and architecturally that such trust would be needed to
enforce/ensure some/all of the requirements of the Hollings bill.
hawk
Lucky Green wrote:
other
technical solution that
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 08:15:29AM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Status: U
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
From: Paul Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
To: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The
important question is not whether trusted platforms are a good
Anonymous wrote:
Furthermore, inherent to the TCPA concept is that the chip can in
effect be turned off. No one proposes to forbid you from booting a
non-compliant OS or including non-compliant drivers.
Good point. At least I hope they don't. :-)
There is not even social opprobrium; look
I think Bob made some great points about my book, but it's clear that
this debate
is revolving around a few sentences in Bob's review. Perhaps he miscategorizes
Brin, perhaps he doesn't. I haven't read _Transparent Society_ in some time.
Still, it's important to realize that this isn't just a
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