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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

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On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:20:28PM +0100, David Howe wrote: at Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:08 AM, Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: For encryption, STARTTLS, which protects more mail than all other email encryption technology combined. See

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RE: What email encryption is actually in use?

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Jeremey Barrett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | | maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A | convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to | have invented HDCD). while the

Re: Real-world steganography

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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
The problem Mr. Howe describes is fundamental, folks: encryption should be end-to-end even when the endpoints are functionaries in a company. Because not all employees are equal. So yes Alice at ABC.COM sends mail to Bob at XYZ.COM and the SMTP link is encrypted, so the bored upstream-ISP

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:38 PM 09/30/2002 -0700, Bram Cohen wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features.

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2002-10-01 Thread Steve Thompson
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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Paul Krumviede
--On Monday, 30 September, 2002 22:15 -0500 Jeremey Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | i've seen comments in reviews of professional CD mastering | gear that there are other, seemingly preferred, technologies, | although

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bram Cohen
Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features. I don't think that's really 'steganography'

Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features. According to the vendors, HDCD has been used in the recording of more

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 07:31:19PM -0700, Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra | data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the extent that real people are using digitally signed and or encrypted messages for real purposes, what is the dominant technology, or is use so sporadic that no network effect is functioning, so nothing can be said to be dominant? For encryption,

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Paul Krumviede
--On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted

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2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread David Howe
at Monday, September 30, 2002 7:52 PM, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Is it practical for a particular group, for example a corporation or a conspiracy, to whip up its own damned root certificate, without buggering around with verisign? (Of course fixing Microsoft's

Re: smartcards

2002-10-01 Thread steve
Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: o Most of them have an IR port and many contain enough storage and horsepower to keep and play small MP3 collections. Chaumian digital cash code should fit easily. Hell, some companies are already making noises about full-motion

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread David Howe
at Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:08 AM, Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: For encryption, STARTTLS, which protects more mail than all other email encryption technology combined. See http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/usenix02_slides.pdf (towards the back). I would

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: I intended to sign this using Network Associates command line pgp, [6.5.8]only to discover that pgp -sa file produced unintellible gibberish, that could only be made sense of by pgp, so that no one would be able to read it without first checking my signature.

XRCD HDCD

2002-10-01 Thread Tyler Durden
XRCD is not steganographic in the sense that we are disscusing, but merely a very carefully done 24 bit master mastered down to the normal 16x44 of CD. They also pay very careful attention to the physical manufacturing of the disc, and use aluminum as the substrate (instead of the normal

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
The problem Mr. Howe describes is fundamental, folks: encryption should be end-to-end even when the endpoints are functionaries in a company. Because not all employees are equal. So yes Alice at ABC.COM sends mail to Bob at XYZ.COM and the SMTP link is encrypted, so the bored upstream-ISP

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:52 AM 9/30/02 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: -- What email encryption is actually in use? PGP 5-7 on Win95+, using Eudora 3.05 talks to Mac whatever using 2.6.2 Signing is not generally necessary. The chief barrier to use of outlook's email encryption Outlook is one of Microsoft's

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2002-10-01, Ben Laurie uttered to Peter Gutmann: Yeah, right - and green felt-tip around the edges of your CD improves the sound, too. I'm not sure about HDCD as a technology, but the principle is sound. If we can compress sound transparently, we can also transparently embed quite a lot of

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: I intended to sign this using Network Associates command line pgp, [6.5.8]only to discover that pgp -sa file produced unintellible gibberish, that could only be made sense of by pgp, so that no one would be able to read it without first checking my signature.

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Jeremey Barrett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | | maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A | convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to | have invented HDCD). while the

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Tyler Durden
The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not backwards compatible though, whereas HDCD is. DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz

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2002-10-01 Thread Steve Schear
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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:38 PM 09/30/2002 -0700, Bram Cohen wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other

RE: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Lucky Green
Peter wrote [about the benefits of STARTTLS]: As opposed to more conventional encryption, where you're protecting nothing at any point along the chain, because 99.99% of the user base can't/won't use it. In any case most email is point-to-point, which means you are protecting the entire

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Ben Laurie
Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features. According to the vendors, HDCD has been used in