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[IP] Florida town to record all license plate numbers; check drivers (fwd from dave@farber.net)

2004-04-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:30:49 -0400
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Dear Dave,

Last summer I had a chance to go to Virginia Beach, VA.

Not only do they have FaceIt facial recognition cameras on the street
corners http://newsobserver.com/24hour/nation/story/1027482p-7209015c.html
but they have all sorts of other goodies to make it one of the scariest
towns I've been to. All the features of this family town were instituted
not after 9/11, but to contain the African Americans during the GreekFest
in the late eighties.

http://www.portfolioweekly.com/html/the_future_strip.html

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Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Graham Lally
Damian Gerow wrote:
Why bother putting something up in a library?  Chances are, if someone's
reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
candidates.  Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!

[...]
I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote 
if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections? That way you cut 
out all those who really don't care, and provide an incentive for those 
who might. Nothing grabs attention like threatening to remove 
/privileges/, even if they don't actually get used.

Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get the 
point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why, too. 
Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly-viewable space and 
eh, instant feedback.

Or something.
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Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:05:32PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
 
 Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [27/04/04 17:18]:
 :All of the above, but mostly door-to-door voter registration. When you
 : consider that both klinton and dubbya were elected with only 13%-14% of the
 : eligible voters, it wouldn't take all that many new voters to really make a
 : difference.
 
 Hi, Sir, my name is Bob and I'm here to educate you about all the
 candidates in the upcoming election that your eight second attention span
 will allow me.  Oops, I guess I've used it all up.  Bye now!
 
 These things all work in theory, but never in practice.
 

You obviously have never done any door-to-door. People are quite often very
interested. We've had fairly good success organizing people on local issues
which affect them, like opposition to street widening. Voter registration is the
same thing.


 Why bother putting something up in a library?  Chances are, if someone's
 reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
 candidates.  Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!
 

   The mention was giving talks in libraries, which works fairly well. The
local library is the logical meeting place for local groups to hold meetings and
talks.


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reported Wednesday.

Known as ancestral testing, the technique aims to discover the
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2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret.)

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By TIMOTHY EGAN

Published: April 27, 2004

OISE, Idaho, April 23 — Not long after the terrorist attacks of Sept.
11, 2001, a group of Muslim students led by a Saudi Arabian doctoral
candidate held a candlelight vigil in the small college town of Moscow,
Idaho, and condemned the attacks as an affront to Islam.


Today, that graduate student, Sami Omar al-Hussayen, is on trial in a
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As a Web master to several Islamic organizations, Mr. Hussayen helped to
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federal judge.

snip
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/27/national/27BOIS.html?pagewanted=all;

...

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Ross got involved in the march after organizing an annual meeting of the SisterSong Women of Color Reproductive Health Collective in Atlanta last year where the issue was discussed. Soon after, representatives from members of the Feminist Majority, NARAL Pro-Choice, the National Organization for Women and Planned Parenthood approached SisterSong about being part of the event. The collective asked that two of the seven seats at the steering-committee table be given to women of color, a request which Eleanor Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority, says was immediately forthcoming. Smeal believes that there will be record-setting numbers at Sunday's event, in part because of the tremendous efforts of Ross and other women of color to mobilize across the nation.



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Silvia Henriquez, executive director of the Latina Institute for Reproductive Health and member of the steering committee, predicts that the focus on reproductive rights as part of a broader context will attract substantial numbers of Hispanic women. "Hispanics are the fastest-growing ethnicity in the country, and in the next twenty years millions of Latinas are going to be looking to raise their families in safe, healthy environments with full access to education and healthcare," she says, adding, "it's not that Latinas don't support abortion, or don't care about that issue. They do – but they tend to think of reproductive rights as part of their overall human rights and those of their families."


The SisterSong Collective will be front and center on Sunday, asking anyone who wants to walk with their delegation in the march (look for the banner that says "Women of Color for Reproductive Justice") to wear red, yellow and orange. Ross made sure to invite the many unseen organizations and advocates who have historically fought for reproductive justice in communities of color, as well as dozens of organizations from the antipoverty and antiracist movements, and those who work on HIV/AIDS, environmental justice, immigrants' rights, violence against women and criminal justice issues. Bringing new faces to the march, Ross hopes, will create more awareness of the ways women of color and white women can differ in their definition of reproductive justice.




Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Justin
Thomas Shaddack (2004-04-28 18:32Z) wrote:

 What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
 can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
 penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.

Presidents don't pass laws.  Presidential campaigns would be reduced to
issues that are mutable (vulnerable?) to executive orders.

Individual candidates for federal office can't pass laws either.  You
want to hold a Senator liable when his compatriots (even if they form
the majority) don't support everything your senator supports?

Nobody who understands the basics of U.S. government construction could
possibly believe that a candidate's promise is a guarantee.  It is
merely a statement of ideology.

What then, consequences for not attempting to effect promises?  Who's
to judge?

-- 
Not your decision to make.
Yes.  But it's the right decision, and I made it for my daughter.
 - Bill and Beatrix



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2004-04-28 Thread Eric Cordian
Federal Prosecutors say the conviction of Matthew Hale on charges
including trying to have a federal judge killed sends an important
message.  But don't they always?

The plot to kill the federal judge in this case consisted of a recorded
conversation with an FBI Informant which went something like this...

FBI Shill:  Are we gonna exterminate the rat?

Hale:  I'm going to fight within the law and, but, ... if you wish to,
   ah, do anything, yourself, you can. 

Uh, right.

Emboldened by their latest success in pushing the envelope, the Feebs now
plan to monitor so-called Hate Sites more closely, and warn that under
the new standards, simply publishing someone's address could be considered
a murder threat.

Meanwhile, a man totally unconnected with the case is under 24 hour Feeb 
protection because he has the same name as the aforementioned FBI Shill, 
and someone posted his address on the Web by mistake.

Murder plotting is easy.  Comedy is hard.  

In other threat related news, a 15 year high school freshman in 
Washington was questioned by the Secret Circus after a portfolio of 
drawings he turned in featured an armed Middle Eastern man holding an 
oversized Shrub head on a stick.  

We can all thank God he didn't publish the President's address.

So apparently, if someone asks me if I plan to kill the President, and I
reply that I intend to conform my behavior to all the requirements of the
law, but that I wouldn't cry uncontrollably if Shrub were dropped by
parachute into a mob of screaming Iraqi women with cleavers, that's
apparently good for a long prison sentence these days.

I wonder how long it will be until Americans get their houses pushed over 
with bulldozers for criticizing the government.  Probably at least until 
after the election.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Justin
Graham Lally (2004-04-28 14:47Z) wrote:

 Damian Gerow wrote:
 I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
 
 Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
 if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?

Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea.  While being deathly ill
or otherwise unable to vote for three consecutive federal elections is
extremely unlikely, the fact remains that failure to vote is not
indicative of lack of desire to vote.

The above proposal only requires 33% turnout among current non-voters.
While that's certainly an improvement (by your metric), it doesn't
resolve the core issues.

If not voting is the sin you seek to prevent, why settle for 33 percent?
If it is dumb voters you're trying to eliminate, requiring them to drive
their dumb asses to the polls isn't going to make then any smarter or
more informed.  It might even increase stupid voting patterns by
encouraging dumb people to form cliques.  They won't want to appear dumb
to their friends as a result of voting for the wrong person, and
groupthink is bad for elections.

 Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get
 the point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why,
 too.  Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly-viewable
 space and eh, instant feedback.

There is an abstention option.  The poll administrator checks off your
name when you show up, so someone knows that you voted.  You don't
have to choose anyone on your ballot.  You can either toss it in the
garbage on your way out, or draw pictographs derogatory to politicians
on non-critical areas of the ballot before feeding it to the
fiber-starved voting machine.

-- 
Not your decision to make.
Yes.  But it's the right decision, and I made it for my daughter.
 - Bill and Beatrix



Re: Bank transfer via quantum crypto

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga


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Subject: Re: Bank transfer via quantum crypto
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Ivan Krstic wrote:

 I have to agree with Perry on this one: I simply can't see a compelling
 reason for the push currently being given to ridiculously overpriced
 implementations of what started off as a lab toy, and what offers - in
 all seriousness - almost no practical benefits over the proper use of
 conventional techniques.


You are looking at QC from a scientific perspective.
What is happening is not scientific, but business.

There are a few background issues that need to be
brought into focus.

1) The QC business is concentrated in the finance
industry, not national security.  Most of the
fiber runs are within range.  10 miles not 100.

2) Within the finance industry, the security
of links is done majorly by using private lines.
Put in a private line, and call it secure because
only the operator can listen in to it.

3) This model has broken down somewhat due to the
arisal of open market net carriers, open colos, etc.
So, even though the mindset of private telco line
is secure is still prevalent, the access to those
lines is much wider than thought.

4) there is eavesdropping going on.  This is clear,
although it is difficult to find confirmable
evidence on it or any stats:

   Security forces in the US discovered an illegally installed fiber
   eavesdropping device in Verizon's optical network. It was placed at a
   mutual fund companyŠ..shortly before the release of their quarterly
   numbers   Wolf Report March, 2003

(some PDF that google knows about.)  These things
are known as vampire taps.  Anecdotal evidence
suggests that it is widespread, if not exactly
rampant.  That is, there are dozens or maybe hundreds
of people capable of setting up vampire taps.  And,
this would suggest maybe dozens or hundreds of taps
in place.  The vampires are not exactly cooperating
with hard information, of course.

5) What's in it for them?  That part is all too
clear.

The vampire taps are placed on funds managers to
see what they are up to.  When the vulnerabilities
are revealed over the fibre, the attacker can put
in trades that take advantage.  In such a case,
the profit from each single trade might be in the
order of a million (plus or minus a wide range).

6) I have not as yet seen any suggestion that an
*active* attack is taking place on the fibres,
so far, this is simply a listening attack.  The
use of the information happens elsewhere, some
batch of trades gets initiated over other means.

7) Finally, another thing to bear in mind is that
the mutual funds industry is going through what
is likely to be the biggest scandal ever.  Fines
to date are at 1.7bn, and it's only just started.
This is bigger than SL, and LTCM, but as the
press does not understand it, they have not
presented it as such.  The suggested assumption
to draw from this is that the mutual funds are
*easy* to game, and are being gamed in very many
and various fashions.  A vampire tap is just one
way amongst many that are going on.



So, in the presence of quite open use of open
lines, and in the presence of quite frequent
attacking on mutual funds and the like in order
to game their systems (endemic), the question
has arisen how to secure the lines.

Hence, quantum cryptogtaphy.  Cryptographers and
engineers will recognise that this is a pure FUD
play.  But, QC is cool, and only cool sells.  The
business circumstances are ripe for a big cool
play that eases the fears of funds that their
info is being collected with impunity.  It shows
them doing something.

Where we are now is the start of a new hype
cycle.  This is to be expected, as the prior
hype cycle(s) have passed.  PKI has flopped and
is now known in the customer base (finance
industry and government) as a disaster.  But,
these same customers are desparate for solutions,
and as always are vulnerable to a sales pitch.

QC is a technology who's time has come.  Expect
it to get bigger and bigger for several years,
before companies work it out, and it becomes the
same disputed, angry white elephant that PKI is
now.

If anyone is interested in a business idea, now
is the time to start building boxes that do just
like QC but in software at half the price.  And
wait for the bubble to burst.

iang

PS:  Points 1-7 are correct AFAIK.  Conclusions,
beyond those points, are just how I see it, IMHO.

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The future of security

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:21:43 +0100
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Hello folks,

I am doing a presentation on the future of security,
which of course includes a component on cryptography.
That will be given at this conference on payments
systems and security: http://www.enhyper.com/paysec/

Would anyone there have any good predictions on how
cryptography is going to unfold in the next few years
or so?  I have my own ideas, but I would love
to see what others see in the crystal ball.

Graeme

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RE: Lowering the Bar for Threats

2004-04-28 Thread Trei, Peter


 -Original Message-
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 I wonder how long it will be until Americans get their houses 
 pushed over 
 with bulldozers for criticizing the government.  Probably at 
 least until 
 after the election.

Didn't they do that at Waco? I remember the heavy vehicles
knocking in the walls, as all the while the loudspeakers 
advised the men, women, and children trapped inside that 
'this is not a raid'.

Peter Trei



Re: Infrared flash?

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:28 PM 4/26/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
But when I want a really bright flash on about 800-900 nm, what
approach
is the best?

A 1 watt IR laser diode used for burning wood.  They show up on eBay
for ~$100.Might start a fire though :-)   Also has pointing issues.

What would be the best approach? The energies here are more in the
range
of rotation/vibration changes than electrons jumping up and down
between
the energy states. How to convert a blast of electrical energy into a
shower of near-IR photons?

Regular tungsten driven to red but not bright, with a piece of
low-pass filtering glass over it.  You can't get rapid modulation
with tungsten, of course, but a few Hz is possible.

Years ago IR leds on baseball caps were posited for defeating
certain (eg ATM) cameras.  Don't know if they worked.



Tipper piggy Gore

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:39 PM 4/26/04 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
And, like all statists, they went widely astray of their goals. Frank
Zappa's _Jazz from Hell_ got a Tipper Sticker, indicating obscene
lyrics. They didn't notice that _JfH_ was an instrumental album.

I didn't know that album got Tippered.  I do know that the she-pig's
voice is on the Mothers of Prevention album.



Re: Driver's certificates: Logic meets the streets

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:46 AM 4/27/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

Bredesen has proposed that the state issue a certificate of driving
to
those who either have temporary, legal documents to work or go to
school
here or to those who can prove their identity and residence in
Tennessee.

The certificates cannot be used as legal identification so, for
example,
the bearer of a certificate could not use it to board a plane or rent a
car.

Damn they're stupid in Tenn.  Either the cert has identifying
information
or its useless.  If it has identifying info, it can be used as an ID.
Regardless
of some yokel's fiat.





Re: cypherpunks-digest V1 #13260

2004-04-28 Thread Tim Benham
 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:43:17 +
 From: Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Fact checking

 Thomas Shaddack (2004-04-28 18:32Z) wrote:
  What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
  can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
  penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.

 Presidents don't pass laws.  Presidential campaigns would be reduced to
 issues that are mutable (vulnerable?) to executive orders.

 Individual candidates for federal office can't pass laws either.  You
 want to hold a Senator liable when his compatriots (even if they form
 the majority) don't support everything your senator supports?

 Nobody who understands the basics of U.S. government construction could
 possibly believe that a candidate's promise is a guarantee.  It is
 merely a statement of ideology.

 What then, consequences for not attempting to effect promises?  Who's
 to judge?

You could make giving enforceable promises an option for candidates -- 
something like If I can't cut taxes in my first term I will eat my hat or 
... I'll owe everyone with a voting receipt with my name on it $100. Then 
there'd be pressure on candidates to boost their credibilty by making 
enforceable promises instead of empty ones. 

Secondly you could get around the problems induced by the labyrinthine checks 
and balances of the US system by tying the liability to measurable behaviors. 
The president either vetos a certain bill or fails to; a senator or 
representative either introduces a certain bill or fails to. As long as the 
bill is specifically identifiable in advance there isn't a great deal of 
wriggle room.

A third alternative is to remove the politiican from the loop. At the same 
time you vote for candidates, you vote for propositions which become law if 
approved by a majority of those voting. The problem is who gets to decide 
what's proposed. Alternatively  groups of candidates (e.g. parties) could be 
able to codify their promises as bills before the election. If a enough 
candidates who subscribed to the relevant platform get elected, then they're 
deemed to have voted for the bill already in their official capacity as 
senator or whatever.

cheers,
Tim



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Oppenheimer

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga
Apparently someone doesn't know how to use the cypherpunks address...

Forwarded without comment.

Cheers,
RAH
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:13:39 +0200 (CEST)

A classic illustration of this phenomenon comes from a book
entitled Special Tasks (Little-Brown, 1994, 1995) written by
Pavel Sudoplatov and his son Anatoly.

Lieutenant General Pavel Sudoplatov was Joseph Stalin's NKVD
director in charge of stealing atomic secrets. He reported
directly to Beria.

From page 172:

The most vital information for developing the first Soviet
atomic bomb came from scientists engaged in the Manhattan
Project to build the American Atomic Bomb - Robert Oppenheimer,
Enrico Fermi, and Leo Szilard.

Robert Oppenheimer was the director in charge of the Manhattan
project.

From page 186-87:

When it became clear that the atomic project was a heavily
guarded, top-secret American priority, Eitingon and I suggested
that we use our networks of illegals as couriers for our sources
of information. Vassili Zarubin, our Washington rezident,
instructed Kheifetz to divorce all intelligence operations from
the American Communist party, which we knew would be closely
watched by the FBI, and to have Oppenheimer sever all contacts
with Communists and left-wingers.

On page 188:

In 1943, a world-famous actor of the Moscow Yiddish State Art
Theatre, Solomon Mikhoels, together with well -known yiddish
poet Itzik Feffer, toured the United States on behalf of the
Jewish Antifascist Committee. Before their departure, Beria
instructed Mikhoels and Feffer to emphasize the great Jewish
contribution to science and culture in the Soviet Union. Their
assignment was to raise money and convince American public
opinion that Soviet anti-semitism had been crushed as a result
of Stalin's policies. Kheifetz made sure that the message they
brought was conveyed to Oppenheimer. Kheifetz said that
Oppenheimer, the son of a German-Jewish immigrant, was deeply
moved by the information that a secure place for Jews in the
Soviet Union was guaranteed. They discussed Stalin's plans to
set up a Jewish autonomous republic in the Crimea after the war
was won against facism.

Beria understood the psychology of unitary loyalty perfectly!

Continuing on page 189:

In developing Oppenheimer as a source, Vassili Zarubin's wife,
Elizabeth, was essential. She hardly appeared foreign in the
United States. Her manner was so natural and sociable that she
immediately made friends. Slim, with dark eyes, she had the
classic Semitic beauty that attracted both men and women, and
she was one of the most successful agent recruiters,
establishing her own illegal network of Jewish refugees from
Poland, and recruiting one of Szilard's secretaries, who
provided technical data.

Oppenheimer's rationale was fear that the Germans might produce
the first atomic bomb. But all he had to do to beat the Germans
to the punch was to build the bomb for America. And indeed, that
would have been the natural result of dual loyalties. He could
have helped Jews and remained loyal to America at the same time.

But then helping America was not in the calculus at all. As
Beria understood perfectly, he was concerned only with one
unitary question; How does this affect Jews? And the answer
was that just as organizing the blacks and browns to vote their
antagonistic racial interests is critical to maintaining Jewish
power over whites in the 1990's, giving the atomic secrets to
Russia was the one way to reduce the power of whites in America
in the 1940s and 50s. Oppenheimer's naive view (prior to the
creation of the Israeli State) was that a nuclear armed Russia
would provide one more possible haven for Jews with the power to
protect them.

The goyim in our OSS (the forerunner of the CIA) would have
assumed dual loyalty and concluded that Oppenheimer presented
no security risk.

http://www.ddc.net/ygg/rj/rj-26.htm

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Re: Id Cards 'Will Protect Youngsters from Paedophiles'

2004-04-28 Thread sunder
Rgggh!  And posting your full name, address, phone number, date of 
birth, social security number, the account and expiration dates of all your 
credit cards + the 3 digit extra code on their backs, ATM card account # 
and the PIN, plus, several samples of your signature (optional) in JPEG 
format, and the code to your alarm system on your web page will prevent 
identity theft.

So, whaddayasay?  It's a fine bridge, lightly used, as you can see, it's 
got a lotta traffic between Manhattan and Brooklyn, I could sell it to you 
real cheap, 'cause you look like a nice guy and all, you know, you could 
make a fortune, setup a toll booth and all that.

R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Horseman #1, Terrorists: Check.
Horseman #2, Pedophiles: Check.
Next?
Cheers,
RAH
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Id Cards 'Will Protect Youngsters from Paedophiles'
By James Lyons, Political Correspondent, PA News
 Identity cards will help keep youngsters safe from perverts, Education
Secretary Charles Clarke claimed today.



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Justin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 15:41]:
:  Damian Gerow wrote:
:  I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
:  
:  Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
:  if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?
: 
: Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea.  While being deathly ill
: or otherwise unable to vote for three consecutive federal elections is
: extremely unlikely, the fact remains that failure to vote is not
: indicative of lack of desire to vote.

Proxy vote.  I did it for two 'invalid' relatives this year.

Besides, this isn't requiring them to vote.

: The above proposal only requires 33% turnout among current non-voters.
: While that's certainly an improvement (by your metric), it doesn't
: resolve the core issues.

Not in the first year, no.  And not in the second year, nor in the third.
But in the fourth, you'll see a drastic drop in the number of apathetic
voters -- the ones who don't care.

What this /won't/ have an effect on is mis-informed voting.  People who vote
because they've been paid to do so, or because some other influencing
factor(s) got the voters out there, aside from knowing the candidates and
voting for the one you honestly believe will do the best job.

: If not voting is the sin you seek to prevent, why settle for 33 percent?
: If it is dumb voters you're trying to eliminate, requiring them to drive
: their dumb asses to the polls isn't going to make then any smarter or
: more informed.  It might even increase stupid voting patterns by
: encouraging dumb people to form cliques.  They won't want to appear dumb
: to their friends as a result of voting for the wrong person, and
: groupthink is bad for elections.

Australia has mandatory voting.  I think that's what you're arguing against
-- this is essentially a way to say, I'd rather not vote by not actually
doing anything.  It's perfect for the already lazy and apathetic folks.  It
forces nobody's hand, places no undue expectations on anyone, and doesn't
bend the rules of democracy.  It simply says that if you don't want to vote,
fine, we just won't include you in the valid voters list.

:  Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get
:  the point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why,
:  too.  Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly-viewable
:  space and eh, instant feedback.
: 
: There is an abstention option.  The poll administrator checks off your
: name when you show up, so someone knows that you voted.  You don't
: have to choose anyone on your ballot.  You can either toss it in the
: garbage on your way out, or draw pictographs derogatory to politicians
: on non-critical areas of the ballot before feeding it to the
: fiber-starved voting machine.

AFAIK, you can't toss your ballot out in Canada.  And there's a certain way
to mark it to 'abstain' -- not just drawing cartoons on it.



Re: Airport security failures justify CAPPS-II snoop system

2004-04-28 Thread sunder
Meh, same old song:
NSA/CIA/FBI failed to prevent the WTC missile attacks, despite the billions 
of dollars they receive per annum, so guess what, they get rewarded with 
guess what kiddies, even more tax payer dollars!

Condoleeza Rice lies about a specific PDB, calling it historical and 
doesn't charged with perjury after said PDB is declassified.

Sibel Edmonds, a Turkish American with top security clearance, who worked 
as a translator at FBI HQ says that she saw information that proved top US 
officials knew months before 9.11.2001 that Al Qaeda planned to use 
airplanes as missiles, but isn't allowed to testify on grounds that it 
would compromise national security.  Damn right it would -  there should 
be riots in the streets over this, and those top US officials should be 
jailed for gross negligence causing the loss of 3000 lives.

NSA, CIA, FBI weren't allowed to share databases because of wisely thought 
out checks and balances to prevent privacy and other types of abuses, so 
they were thrown out, not that they really existed in the first place. 
(i.e. NSA isn't allowed to spy on US citizens, so it uses one of it's 
buddies, perhaps UK, or Australia to do the dirty work.)

Airport security fails, so Uncle Sam gets to spend even more tax payer 
dollars on TSA.  TSA fails, and instead of it being punished, its 
ineptitude gets rewarded by getting justification for more draconian laws, 
and even more tax payer cash... woo hoo!

R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/26/airport_security_failures/print.html
Airport security failures justify CAPPS-II snoop system
By Thomas C Greene ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Published Monday 26th April 2004 20:21 GMT
Recent government reports on the failure of American airport screeners to
detect threat objects at security checkpoints may provide ammunition for
proponents of the controversial Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening
System (CAPPS II) database solution, which is currently stalled by myriad
snafus too numerous to mention.



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 11:40]:
:  Hi, Sir, my name is Bob and I'm here to educate you about all the
:  candidates in the upcoming election that your eight second attention span
:  will allow me.  Oops, I guess I've used it all up.  Bye now!
:  
:  These things all work in theory, but never in practice.
: 
: You obviously have never done any door-to-door. People are quite often very
: interested. We've had fairly good success organizing people on local issues
: which affect them, like opposition to street widening. Voter registration is the
: same thing.

Actually, I /have/ done door-to-door.  Granted, it's not extensive, but I
have been involved in a few campaigns.  In a good neighbourhood, we'd get
about 3/4 of the people who would care enough or have enough time at that
moment to listen/contribute.

:  Why bother putting something up in a library?  Chances are, if someone's
:  reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
:  candidates.  Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!
: 
:The mention was giving talks in libraries, which works fairly well. The
: local library is the logical meeting place for local groups to hold meetings and
: talks.

Yes, it does, so long as you get people there.  It's the getting people
there that's difficult.  I s'pose a door-to-door campaign advertising a
speaking at the library would be best.



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Thomas Shaddack

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Tim Benham wrote:

  I bet people would start voting after that.
 If they don't, offer them two vials of crack!

It's already being done; it's called political promises. The candidates
are usually pretty high on that stuff.

What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.



The crypto whiz

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://news.com.com/2102-7355_3-5201504.html?tag=st.util.print

CNET News
 http://www.news.com/


 The crypto whiz

 By  Michael Kanellos  and  Charles Cooper
 Staff Writer, CNET News.com
 http://news.com.com/2008-7355-5201504.html

 Story last modified April 28, 2004, 4:00 AM PDT

Paul Kocher, president and chief scientist of Cryptography Research, came
to prominence in the industry by breaking things.

 In 1998, the company cracked security on smart cards by monitoring how
much power their internal microprocessors used. Kocher also came up with
the software inside Deep Crack, a machine tailored to crack encrypted
documents.


Of course, he also fixes things. In the last few years, Kocher has emerged
as one of the key technologists for financial companies and studios that
are hoping to protect their intellectual property. He recently sat down
with CNET News.com to discuss the ongoing melodramas surrounding privacy,
piracy and stolen information.


Q: What is the top agenda issue for cryptography?
 A: Let me tell you what it is not. The one thing that is stable--and
really, nobody should be spending too much time worrying about--is which
algorithms to use and what key sizes to use. Those are simple problems.

 The huge challenge, from a technical perspective, is handling complexity,
because we are getting systems that are just more and more complicated, and
nobody knows how to get the bugs out.

 The software side or hardware?


Every legacy feature is a potential exposure.
 Software, hardware--everything. You pick it, and it is a lot more
complicated today than it used to be, whether it is your network, whether
it is your individual PC, whether it is a device of some kind, whether it
is your microprocessor. Nobody ever removes features; they only add
them--and from a security perspective, every legacy feature is a potential
exposure.

 If you have one component that you understand really well, it is pretty
easy to get your hands around your one simple piece. But then you start
having 600 components that all talk to each other. Not only do you have 600
times as many components to worry about, you have to worry about all of the
interactions between these things.

 So you have now got 360,000 different interactions. This is just horrible,
because one person can no longer understand it; one person can no longer
even begin to debug it. So, then you try to assign groups of people to
individual pieces of the problem. But a lot of people staring at different
angles of the elephant often will miss the big picture.

 In order to just handle this technical problem, what we often try to do is
first simplify things. If you look at some of those things that we design,
once you get your mind on what it is doing, it seems simple, compared to a
lot of other things. That way, we can be more confident that we have not
missed something.

 Can you give us an overview of what Cryptography Research does?
 Typically, our goal is to bring new technical approaches to solving really
hard security problems. When you are dealing with any kind of new
technology, if it backfires, there is a substantial risk. The ones that we
have had the most success with have been with the security challenges of
financial institutions like credit card organizations. Another area we are
focusing on increasingly is piracy. We also do a lot of work with
infrastructure wireless systems.

 Most of our revenues are from technology licensing, but most of our time
goes into services.

 How bad is the privacy situation getting?
 Privacy is going to become a bigger and bigger problem over time, because
sensors and data collection capabilities are improving along with Moore's
Law. People collect data but do not have any plan of how they are going to
get rid of it or what they are going to do with it, and so you end up
aggregating vast quantities of data. It is a huge privacy risk.

 I can now record as much audio as I will ever experience in my entire
life, and video will be there in just a few years. The chips to do location
tracking are getting smaller and smaller. There is one in my cell phone.
Anybody who knows what they are doing can know where I am. There is this
notion that information is bad in aggregate--but good in the cases where
you need it. This is something that is very alien to a lot of people, and I
am not sure how to solve it.

 Piracy continues to be a huge, hot potato, with the studios blaming the
device makers and the hardware makers trying to put responsibility on the
studios.

 How will this get resolved?
The studios are rightly upset that these companies are not spending as much
money as they should to solve their security problems. But is it my job to
keep your house from getting broken into? The way that I believe that it
should work instead is that the studio should put some security code on the
disk, and the player should run it.


 The technical impediments to piracy that's based on copying and storing
the data are going to go 

RSA-576 Factored

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2003-12-05/rsa/




MathWorld Headline News

RSA-576 Factored

By Eric W. Weisstein

 December 5, 2003--On December 3, the day after the announcement of the
discovery of the largest known prime by the Great Internet Mersenne Prime
Search on December 2 (MathWorld headline news, December 2, 2003), a team at
the German Federal Agency for Information Technology Security (BIS)
announced the factorization of the 174-digit number
 1881 9881292060 7963838697 2394616504 3980716356 3379417382 7007633564
2298885971 5234665485 3190606065 0474304531 7388011303 3967161996
9232120573 4031879550 6569962213 0516875930 7650257059

 known as RSA-576.

 RSA numbers are composite numbers having exactly two prime factors (i.e.,
so-called semiprimes) that have been listed in the Factoring Challenge of
RSA Security®.

 While composite numbers are defined as numbers that can be written as a
product of smaller numbers known as factors (for example, 6 = 2 x 3 is
composite with factors 2 and 3), prime numbers have no such decomposition
(for example, 7 does not have any factors other than 1 and itself). Prime
factors therefore represent a fundamental (and unique) decomposition of a
given positive integer. RSA numbers are special types of composite numbers
particularly chosen to be difficult to factor, and they are identified by
the number of digits they contain.

 While RSA-576 is a much smaller number than the 6,320,430-digit monster
Mersenne prime announced earlier this week, its factorization is
significant because of the curious property of numbers that proving or
disproving a number to be prime (primality testing) seems to be much
easier than actually identifying the factors of a number (prime
factorization). Thus, while it is trivial to multiply two large numbers p
and q together, it can be extremely difficult to determine the factors if
only their product pq is given. With some ingenuity, this property can be
used to create practical and efficient encryption systems for electronic
data.

 RSA Laboratories sponsors the RSA Factoring Challenge to encourage
research into computational number theory and the practical difficulty of
factoring large integers and also because it can be helpful for users of
the RSA encryption public-key cryptography algorithm for choosing suitable
key lengths for an appropriate level of security. A cash prize is awarded
to the first person to factor each challenge number.

 RSA numbers were originally spaced at intervals of 10 decimal digits
between one and five hundred digits, and prizes were awarded according to a
complicated formula. These original numbers were named according to the
number of decimal digits, so RSA-100 was a hundred-digit number. As
computers and algorithms became faster, the unfactored challenge numbers
were removed from the prize list and replaced with a set of numbers with
fixed cash prizes. At this point, the naming convention was also changed so
that the trailing number indicates the number of digits in the binary
representation of the number. Hence, RSA-576 has 576 binary digits, which
translates to 174 digits in decimal.

 RSA numbers received widespread attention when a 129-digit number known as
RSA-129 was used by R. Rivest, A. Shamir, and L. Adleman to publish one of
the first public-key messages together with a $100 reward for the message's
decryption (Gardner 1977). Despite widespread belief at the time that the
message encoded by RSA-129 would take millions of years to break, it was
factored in 1994 using a distributed computation that harnessed networked
computers spread around the globe performing a multiple polynomial
quadratic sieve (Leutwyler 1994). The result of all the concentrated number
crunching was decryption of the encoded message to yield the profound
plain-text message The magic words are squeamish ossifrage. (An ossifrage
is a rare predatory vulture found in the mountains of Europe.)

 Factorization of RSA-129 followed earlier factorizations of RSA-100,
RSA-110, and RSA-120. The challenge numbers RSA-130, RSA-140, RSA-155, and
RSA-160 were also subsequently factored between 1996 and April of this
year. (Amusingly, RSA-150 apparently remains unfactored following its
withdrawal from the RSA Challenge list.)

 On December 2, Jens Franke circulated an email announcing factorization of
the smallest prize number RSA-576. The factorization was accomplished using
a prime factorization algorithm known as the general number field sieve.
The two 87-digit factors found using this sieve are
 3980750 8642406493 7397125500 5503864911 9906436234 2526708406 3851895759
4638895726 1768583317
 x
 4727721 4610743530 2536223071 9730482246 3291469530 2097116459 8521711305
2071125636 3590397527

 and can easily be multiplied to verify that they do indeed give the
original number.

 Franke's note detailed the factorization process in which lattice
sieving was done by J. Franke and T. Kleinjung using hardware at the
Scientific Computing Institute 

[Neuclear-general] ANNOUNCE: NeuClear XMLSig 0.13 Released

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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[Neuclear-general] ANNOUNCE: Released version 0.7 of NeuClear Commons

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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Panama City, 28 April, 2004. We are happy to announce the 0.7 release of
NeuClear Commons.

Main goal of this release is to support the 0.9 release of NeuClear ID.
Download it today and join in the NeuClear revolution. Major new features
are:

* New Swing based Passphrase Agent
* DefaultSigner is now completely interactive.
* SQLSigner stores Public Private Key Pairs in SQL using Hibernate.
* Removed all old SQL support code.
* Added in memory caching to Public Key Resolver
* Added new interactive signing model with the BrowsableSigner interface
* New SetPublicKeyCallback method for returning the public key in interactive
applications

For more information see:
http://dev.neuclear.org/commons/

Full Release notes below:

Release Notes - NeuClear Commons - Version r_0_7

** Bug
* [COM-13] - Handle Invalid Passphrase in SwingAgent
* [COM-14] - Use different screen layout for normal passphrase in
SwingAgent
* [COM-25] - Remembered passphrase is forgotten if identity is changed
* [COM-27] - Loop when JCESigner is loaded with incorrect passphrase
* [COM-31] - Remembered passphrase doesnt enable sign button
* [COM-33] - Signed HTML generated by Identity and subclasses fail
verification


** New Feature
* [COM-4] - Create Completely Interactive Signing Method
* [COM-5] - Support for more advanced passphrase agent
* [COM-6] - Set PublicKey Callback Method
* [COM-10] - Create Improved GUI Agent
* [COM-11] - Add remember Passphrase to SwingAgent
* [COM-12] - Add Identity Generator to SwingAgent
* [COM-16] - add Password encrypted private key methods to CryptoTools
* [COM-17] - Create SQLSigner
* [COM-18] - Make DefaultSigner an intelligent wrapper for end user
signing front ends
* [COM-20] - Add Save Key Store Dialog to InteractiveAgent
* [COM-21] - Add Open Key Store Dialog to InteractiveAgent
* [COM-22] - Implement Save in SwingAgent


** Task
* [COM-15] - Update project.xml with latest dependencies
* [COM-32] - Drop all the sql packages as no longer needed

** Improvement
* [COM-9] - Add in memory caching to PublicKey Resolver
* [COM-19] - Create signing task queue on SwingAgent
* [COM-26] - Change to DefaultSigner's method of saving



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Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Graham Lally
Damian Gerow wrote:
Why bother putting something up in a library?  Chances are, if someone's
reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
candidates.  Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!

[...]
I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote 
if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections? That way you cut 
out all those who really don't care, and provide an incentive for those 
who might. Nothing grabs attention like threatening to remove 
/privileges/, even if they don't actually get used.

Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get the 
point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why, too. 
Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly-viewable space and 
eh, instant feedback.

Or something.
.g
--
I have practysed  lerned at my grete charge  dispense to ordeyne this
said book in prynte that every man may have them attones.   - W. Caxton


Arrested for webmastering

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret.)

Computer Student on Trial for Aid to Muslim Web Sites
By TIMOTHY EGAN

Published: April 27, 2004

OISE, Idaho, April 23 — Not long after the terrorist attacks of Sept.
11, 2001, a group of Muslim students led by a Saudi Arabian doctoral
candidate held a candlelight vigil in the small college town of Moscow,
Idaho, and condemned the attacks as an affront to Islam.


Today, that graduate student, Sami Omar al-Hussayen, is on trial in a
heavily guarded courtroom here, accused of plotting to aid and to
maintain Islamic Web sites that promote jihad.

As a Web master to several Islamic organizations, Mr. Hussayen helped to
maintain Internet sites with links to groups that praised suicide
bombings in Chechnya and in Israel. But he himself does not hold those
views, his lawyers said. His role was like that of a technical editor,
they said, arguing that he could not be held criminally liable for what
others wrote.

Civil libertarians say the case poses a landmark test of what people can
do or whom they can associate with in the age of terror alerts. It is
one of the few times anyone has been prosecuted under language in the
antiterrorism law known as the USA Patriot Act, which makes it a crime
to provide expert guidance or assistance to groups deemed terrorist.

Somebody who fixes a fax machine that is owned by a group that may
advocate terrorism could be liable, said David Cole, a Georgetown
University law professor who argued against the expert guidance part of
the antiterrorism law this year, in a case where it was struck down by a
federal judge.

snip
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/27/national/27BOIS.html?pagewanted=all;

..

Compare to the recent law where editing a paper from a nasty nation
would be illegal.  The IEEE kissed Ashcroft's ass, other
periodicals objected more.

--
Of course there are limits in regards to freedom of speech.  They are as

follows:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Everything else is, of course, allowed.  -Sunder






Re: Infrared flash?

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:28 PM 4/26/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
But when I want a really bright flash on about 800-900 nm, what
approach
is the best?

A 1 watt IR laser diode used for burning wood.  They show up on eBay
for ~$100.Might start a fire though :-)   Also has pointing issues.

What would be the best approach? The energies here are more in the
range
of rotation/vibration changes than electrons jumping up and down
between
the energy states. How to convert a blast of electrical energy into a
shower of near-IR photons?

Regular tungsten driven to red but not bright, with a piece of
low-pass filtering glass over it.  You can't get rapid modulation
with tungsten, of course, but a few Hz is possible.

Years ago IR leds on baseball caps were posited for defeating
certain (eg ATM) cameras.  Don't know if they worked.



Tipper piggy Gore

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:39 PM 4/26/04 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
And, like all statists, they went widely astray of their goals. Frank
Zappa's _Jazz from Hell_ got a Tipper Sticker, indicating obscene
lyrics. They didn't notice that _JfH_ was an instrumental album.

I didn't know that album got Tippered.  I do know that the she-pig's
voice is on the Mothers of Prevention album.



Re: Driver's certificates: Logic meets the streets

2004-04-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:46 AM 4/27/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

Bredesen has proposed that the state issue a certificate of driving
to
those who either have temporary, legal documents to work or go to
school
here or to those who can prove their identity and residence in
Tennessee.

The certificates cannot be used as legal identification so, for
example,
the bearer of a certificate could not use it to board a plane or rent a
car.

Damn they're stupid in Tenn.  Either the cert has identifying
information
or its useless.  If it has identifying info, it can be used as an ID.
Regardless
of some yokel's fiat.





Re: Id Cards 'Will Protect Youngsters from Paedophiles'

2004-04-28 Thread sunder
Rgggh!  And posting your full name, address, phone number, date of 
birth, social security number, the account and expiration dates of all your 
credit cards + the 3 digit extra code on their backs, ATM card account # 
and the PIN, plus, several samples of your signature (optional) in JPEG 
format, and the code to your alarm system on your web page will prevent 
identity theft.

So, whaddayasay?  It's a fine bridge, lightly used, as you can see, it's 
got a lotta traffic between Manhattan and Brooklyn, I could sell it to you 
real cheap, 'cause you look like a nice guy and all, you know, you could 
make a fortune, setup a toll booth and all that.

R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Horseman #1, Terrorists: Check.
Horseman #2, Pedophiles: Check.
Next?
Cheers,
RAH
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close
Tue 27 Apr 2004

2:47am (UK)
Id Cards 'Will Protect Youngsters from Paedophiles'
By James Lyons, Political Correspondent, PA News
 Identity cards will help keep youngsters safe from perverts, Education
Secretary Charles Clarke claimed today.



Oppenheimer

2004-04-28 Thread R. A. Hettinga
Apparently someone doesn't know how to use the cypherpunks address...

Forwarded without comment.

Cheers,
RAH
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A classic illustration of this phenomenon comes from a book
entitled Special Tasks (Little-Brown, 1994, 1995) written by
Pavel Sudoplatov and his son Anatoly.

Lieutenant General Pavel Sudoplatov was Joseph Stalin's NKVD
director in charge of stealing atomic secrets. He reported
directly to Beria.

From page 172:

The most vital information for developing the first Soviet
atomic bomb came from scientists engaged in the Manhattan
Project to build the American Atomic Bomb - Robert Oppenheimer,
Enrico Fermi, and Leo Szilard.

Robert Oppenheimer was the director in charge of the Manhattan
project.

From page 186-87:

When it became clear that the atomic project was a heavily
guarded, top-secret American priority, Eitingon and I suggested
that we use our networks of illegals as couriers for our sources
of information. Vassili Zarubin, our Washington rezident,
instructed Kheifetz to divorce all intelligence operations from
the American Communist party, which we knew would be closely
watched by the FBI, and to have Oppenheimer sever all contacts
with Communists and left-wingers.

On page 188:

In 1943, a world-famous actor of the Moscow Yiddish State Art
Theatre, Solomon Mikhoels, together with well -known yiddish
poet Itzik Feffer, toured the United States on behalf of the
Jewish Antifascist Committee. Before their departure, Beria
instructed Mikhoels and Feffer to emphasize the great Jewish
contribution to science and culture in the Soviet Union. Their
assignment was to raise money and convince American public
opinion that Soviet anti-semitism had been crushed as a result
of Stalin's policies. Kheifetz made sure that the message they
brought was conveyed to Oppenheimer. Kheifetz said that
Oppenheimer, the son of a German-Jewish immigrant, was deeply
moved by the information that a secure place for Jews in the
Soviet Union was guaranteed. They discussed Stalin's plans to
set up a Jewish autonomous republic in the Crimea after the war
was won against facism.

Beria understood the psychology of unitary loyalty perfectly!

Continuing on page 189:

In developing Oppenheimer as a source, Vassili Zarubin's wife,
Elizabeth, was essential. She hardly appeared foreign in the
United States. Her manner was so natural and sociable that she
immediately made friends. Slim, with dark eyes, she had the
classic Semitic beauty that attracted both men and women, and
she was one of the most successful agent recruiters,
establishing her own illegal network of Jewish refugees from
Poland, and recruiting one of Szilard's secretaries, who
provided technical data.

Oppenheimer's rationale was fear that the Germans might produce
the first atomic bomb. But all he had to do to beat the Germans
to the punch was to build the bomb for America. And indeed, that
would have been the natural result of dual loyalties. He could
have helped Jews and remained loyal to America at the same time.

But then helping America was not in the calculus at all. As
Beria understood perfectly, he was concerned only with one
unitary question; How does this affect Jews? And the answer
was that just as organizing the blacks and browns to vote their
antagonistic racial interests is critical to maintaining Jewish
power over whites in the 1990's, giving the atomic secrets to
Russia was the one way to reduce the power of whites in America
in the 1940s and 50s. Oppenheimer's naive view (prior to the
creation of the Israeli State) was that a nuclear armed Russia
would provide one more possible haven for Jews with the power to
protect them.

The goyim in our OSS (the forerunner of the CIA) would have
assumed dual loyalty and concluded that Oppenheimer presented
no security risk.

http://www.ddc.net/ygg/rj/rj-26.htm

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Re: Airport security failures justify CAPPS-II snoop system

2004-04-28 Thread sunder
Meh, same old song:
NSA/CIA/FBI failed to prevent the WTC missile attacks, despite the billions 
of dollars they receive per annum, so guess what, they get rewarded with 
guess what kiddies, even more tax payer dollars!

Condoleeza Rice lies about a specific PDB, calling it historical and 
doesn't charged with perjury after said PDB is declassified.

Sibel Edmonds, a Turkish American with top security clearance, who worked 
as a translator at FBI HQ says that she saw information that proved top US 
officials knew months before 9.11.2001 that Al Qaeda planned to use 
airplanes as missiles, but isn't allowed to testify on grounds that it 
would compromise national security.  Damn right it would -  there should 
be riots in the streets over this, and those top US officials should be 
jailed for gross negligence causing the loss of 3000 lives.

NSA, CIA, FBI weren't allowed to share databases because of wisely thought 
out checks and balances to prevent privacy and other types of abuses, so 
they were thrown out, not that they really existed in the first place. 
(i.e. NSA isn't allowed to spy on US citizens, so it uses one of it's 
buddies, perhaps UK, or Australia to do the dirty work.)

Airport security fails, so Uncle Sam gets to spend even more tax payer 
dollars on TSA.  TSA fails, and instead of it being punished, its 
ineptitude gets rewarded by getting justification for more draconian laws, 
and even more tax payer cash... woo hoo!

R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/26/airport_security_failures/print.html
Airport security failures justify CAPPS-II snoop system
By Thomas C Greene ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Published Monday 26th April 2004 20:21 GMT
Recent government reports on the failure of American airport screeners to
detect threat objects at security checkpoints may provide ammunition for
proponents of the controversial Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening
System (CAPPS II) database solution, which is currently stalled by myriad
snafus too numerous to mention.



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Thomas Shaddack

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Tim Benham wrote:

  I bet people would start voting after that.
 If they don't, offer them two vials of crack!

It's already being done; it's called political promises. The candidates
are usually pretty high on that stuff.

What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Justin
Thomas Shaddack (2004-04-28 18:32Z) wrote:

 What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
 can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
 penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.

Presidents don't pass laws.  Presidential campaigns would be reduced to
issues that are mutable (vulnerable?) to executive orders.

Individual candidates for federal office can't pass laws either.  You
want to hold a Senator liable when his compatriots (even if they form
the majority) don't support everything your senator supports?

Nobody who understands the basics of U.S. government construction could
possibly believe that a candidate's promise is a guarantee.  It is
merely a statement of ideology.

What then, consequences for not attempting to effect promises?  Who's
to judge?

-- 
Not your decision to make.
Yes.  But it's the right decision, and I made it for my daughter.
 - Bill and Beatrix



Re: cypherpunks-digest V1 #13260

2004-04-28 Thread Tim Benham
 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:43:17 +
 From: Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Fact checking

 Thomas Shaddack (2004-04-28 18:32Z) wrote:
  What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
  can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
  penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.

 Presidents don't pass laws.  Presidential campaigns would be reduced to
 issues that are mutable (vulnerable?) to executive orders.

 Individual candidates for federal office can't pass laws either.  You
 want to hold a Senator liable when his compatriots (even if they form
 the majority) don't support everything your senator supports?

 Nobody who understands the basics of U.S. government construction could
 possibly believe that a candidate's promise is a guarantee.  It is
 merely a statement of ideology.

 What then, consequences for not attempting to effect promises?  Who's
 to judge?

You could make giving enforceable promises an option for candidates -- 
something like If I can't cut taxes in my first term I will eat my hat or 
... I'll owe everyone with a voting receipt with my name on it $100. Then 
there'd be pressure on candidates to boost their credibilty by making 
enforceable promises instead of empty ones. 

Secondly you could get around the problems induced by the labyrinthine checks 
and balances of the US system by tying the liability to measurable behaviors. 
The president either vetos a certain bill or fails to; a senator or 
representative either introduces a certain bill or fails to. As long as the 
bill is specifically identifiable in advance there isn't a great deal of 
wriggle room.

A third alternative is to remove the politiican from the loop. At the same 
time you vote for candidates, you vote for propositions which become law if 
approved by a majority of those voting. The problem is who gets to decide 
what's proposed. Alternatively  groups of candidates (e.g. parties) could be 
able to codify their promises as bills before the election. If a enough 
candidates who subscribed to the relevant platform get elected, then they're 
deemed to have voted for the bill already in their official capacity as 
senator or whatever.

cheers,
Tim



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 11:40]:
:  Hi, Sir, my name is Bob and I'm here to educate you about all the
:  candidates in the upcoming election that your eight second attention span
:  will allow me.  Oops, I guess I've used it all up.  Bye now!
:  
:  These things all work in theory, but never in practice.
: 
: You obviously have never done any door-to-door. People are quite often very
: interested. We've had fairly good success organizing people on local issues
: which affect them, like opposition to street widening. Voter registration is the
: same thing.

Actually, I /have/ done door-to-door.  Granted, it's not extensive, but I
have been involved in a few campaigns.  In a good neighbourhood, we'd get
about 3/4 of the people who would care enough or have enough time at that
moment to listen/contribute.

:  Why bother putting something up in a library?  Chances are, if someone's
:  reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
:  candidates.  Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!
: 
:The mention was giving talks in libraries, which works fairly well. The
: local library is the logical meeting place for local groups to hold meetings and
: talks.

Yes, it does, so long as you get people there.  It's the getting people
there that's difficult.  I s'pose a door-to-door campaign advertising a
speaking at the library would be best.



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Justin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 15:41]:
:  Damian Gerow wrote:
:  I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
:  
:  Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
:  if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?
: 
: Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea.  While being deathly ill
: or otherwise unable to vote for three consecutive federal elections is
: extremely unlikely, the fact remains that failure to vote is not
: indicative of lack of desire to vote.

Proxy vote.  I did it for two 'invalid' relatives this year.

Besides, this isn't requiring them to vote.

: The above proposal only requires 33% turnout among current non-voters.
: While that's certainly an improvement (by your metric), it doesn't
: resolve the core issues.

Not in the first year, no.  And not in the second year, nor in the third.
But in the fourth, you'll see a drastic drop in the number of apathetic
voters -- the ones who don't care.

What this /won't/ have an effect on is mis-informed voting.  People who vote
because they've been paid to do so, or because some other influencing
factor(s) got the voters out there, aside from knowing the candidates and
voting for the one you honestly believe will do the best job.

: If not voting is the sin you seek to prevent, why settle for 33 percent?
: If it is dumb voters you're trying to eliminate, requiring them to drive
: their dumb asses to the polls isn't going to make then any smarter or
: more informed.  It might even increase stupid voting patterns by
: encouraging dumb people to form cliques.  They won't want to appear dumb
: to their friends as a result of voting for the wrong person, and
: groupthink is bad for elections.

Australia has mandatory voting.  I think that's what you're arguing against
-- this is essentially a way to say, I'd rather not vote by not actually
doing anything.  It's perfect for the already lazy and apathetic folks.  It
forces nobody's hand, places no undue expectations on anyone, and doesn't
bend the rules of democracy.  It simply says that if you don't want to vote,
fine, we just won't include you in the valid voters list.

:  Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get
:  the point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why,
:  too.  Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly-viewable
:  space and eh, instant feedback.
: 
: There is an abstention option.  The poll administrator checks off your
: name when you show up, so someone knows that you voted.  You don't
: have to choose anyone on your ballot.  You can either toss it in the
: garbage on your way out, or draw pictographs derogatory to politicians
: on non-critical areas of the ballot before feeding it to the
: fiber-starved voting machine.

AFAIK, you can't toss your ballot out in Canada.  And there's a certain way
to mark it to 'abstain' -- not just drawing cartoons on it.



Lowering the Bar for Threats

2004-04-28 Thread Eric Cordian
Federal Prosecutors say the conviction of Matthew Hale on charges
including trying to have a federal judge killed sends an important
message.  But don't they always?

The plot to kill the federal judge in this case consisted of a recorded
conversation with an FBI Informant which went something like this...

FBI Shill:  Are we gonna exterminate the rat?

Hale:  I'm going to fight within the law and, but, ... if you wish to,
   ah, do anything, yourself, you can. 

Uh, right.

Emboldened by their latest success in pushing the envelope, the Feebs now
plan to monitor so-called Hate Sites more closely, and warn that under
the new standards, simply publishing someone's address could be considered
a murder threat.

Meanwhile, a man totally unconnected with the case is under 24 hour Feeb 
protection because he has the same name as the aforementioned FBI Shill, 
and someone posted his address on the Web by mistake.

Murder plotting is easy.  Comedy is hard.  

In other threat related news, a 15 year high school freshman in 
Washington was questioned by the Secret Circus after a portfolio of 
drawings he turned in featured an armed Middle Eastern man holding an 
oversized Shrub head on a stick.  

We can all thank God he didn't publish the President's address.

So apparently, if someone asks me if I plan to kill the President, and I
reply that I intend to conform my behavior to all the requirements of the
law, but that I wouldn't cry uncontrollably if Shrub were dropped by
parachute into a mob of screaming Iraqi women with cleavers, that's
apparently good for a long prison sentence these days.

I wonder how long it will be until Americans get their houses pushed over 
with bulldozers for criticizing the government.  Probably at least until 
after the election.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law



Re: Fact checking

2004-04-28 Thread Justin
Graham Lally (2004-04-28 14:47Z) wrote:

 Damian Gerow wrote:
 I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
 
 Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
 if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?

Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea.  While being deathly ill
or otherwise unable to vote for three consecutive federal elections is
extremely unlikely, the fact remains that failure to vote is not
indicative of lack of desire to vote.

The above proposal only requires 33% turnout among current non-voters.
While that's certainly an improvement (by your metric), it doesn't
resolve the core issues.

If not voting is the sin you seek to prevent, why settle for 33 percent?
If it is dumb voters you're trying to eliminate, requiring them to drive
their dumb asses to the polls isn't going to make then any smarter or
more informed.  It might even increase stupid voting patterns by
encouraging dumb people to form cliques.  They won't want to appear dumb
to their friends as a result of voting for the wrong person, and
groupthink is bad for elections.

 Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get
 the point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why,
 too.  Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly-viewable
 space and eh, instant feedback.

There is an abstention option.  The poll administrator checks off your
name when you show up, so someone knows that you voted.  You don't
have to choose anyone on your ballot.  You can either toss it in the
garbage on your way out, or draw pictographs derogatory to politicians
on non-critical areas of the ballot before feeding it to the
fiber-starved voting machine.

-- 
Not your decision to make.
Yes.  But it's the right decision, and I made it for my daughter.
 - Bill and Beatrix