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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Triangulation by signal strength is one thing, triangulation by relativistic ToF (time of flight) -- while still not present in consumer gadgets -- is far more difficult to fool. Especially if it's tied into the protocol, that you're getting position

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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in to them. Many still have test jacks on them. Both my old Samsung A500 and my current Sanyo SCP-8100 have a connector (either MC or

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
At 12:41 AM 6/27/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case. What's wrong with this picture??? 1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Riad S. Wahby
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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:28 PM 6/27/2004, Jack Lloyd wrote: More recent phones from Sprint must support real GPS, since Qualcomm offers chipsets with GPS support, which they wouldn't do unless their only customers (Sprint phone manufacturers) wanted it. I was looking at getting a Sprint phone last week - every

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

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2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote: snip In contrast, 95 percent of you (if you bother going to the polls at all -- and who can blame you for your increasing sense of mortification? You must start to feel like the Eloi, shuffling in to the sound of the Morlocks' dinner bell in H.G.

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On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 06:26:05PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote: snip In contrast, 95 percent of you (if you bother going to the polls at all -- and who can blame you for your increasing sense of mortification? You must start to feel like the

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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Riad S. Wahby
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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:27 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism? I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Of course disabling your GPS unit will not prevent the fascists from doing triangulation with signal strength, ie the alternative (and cheaper and less precise alternative). That's merely physics and geometry. To counter that, you need to

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism? snip Do any models let YOU decide to send your location to ANOTHER phone? Mine, an Samsung I330 PDA/Phone (actually a

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 07:21 AM 6/26/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/technology/26ALIB.html?th=pagewanted=printposition= The New York Times June 26, 2004 For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi By MATT RICHTEL

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2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:25 PM 6/26/04 -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: I wrote: It would be hard to verify/test that you had in fact cut the correct trace, and it would depend on the phone, and you would void your warrantee. Firmware hacks are of course the free man's last refuge. Of course

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:38 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: If the phone is shielded, it can't transmit/receive, which makes it rather useless. :( When you don't want to use it, why should it not be useless? There is one potential landmine as well; the inherent ability of any device containing resonators

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:02 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Can it be disabled by hardware hack of the phone, a mikropower jammer, or using an unofficial firmware? I wrote: It would be hard to verify/test that you had in fact cut the correct trace, and it would depend on the phone, and you would

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: a mikropower jammer, Only if you are willing to forego the phone as well, in which case, just remove the battery pack :-) I am assuming here that the phone has a dual receiver, one of the GPS signal and one of the cellular service itself. As both

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:02 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Can it be disabled by hardware hack of the phone, a mikropower jammer, or using an unofficial firmware? It would be hard to verify/test that you had in fact cut the correct trace, and it would depend on the phone, and you would void your

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:53 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: Yes, I suppose that the more technical amongst us could selctively jam only the one signal, however, cellular phones are mighty low power devices, They can put half (?) a watt out, some of it absorbed by your brain and hand BTW. and I would not

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2004-06-27 Thread Bill Stewart
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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Go for the head shot, they're wearing body armor If at close range, it is far easier to simply throw water at them prior to firing. For one, the water acts as apowerful lubricant, effectively removing the armor, huh? Wet kevlar is still

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Riad S. Wahby
J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in to them. Many still have test jacks on them. Both my old Samsung A500 and my current Sanyo SCP-8100 have a connector (either MC or SMA, IIRC) on the back hidden under a rubber plug.

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:21 AM 6/26/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/technology/26ALIB.html?th=pagewanted=printposition= The New York Times June 26, 2004 For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi By MATT RICHTEL Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone

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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case. What's wrong with this picture??? 1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a location which is known to fascists. Let's try again. TEMPEST

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2004-06-27 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/technology/26ALIB.html?th=pagewanted=printposition= The New York Times June 26, 2004 For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi By MATT RICHTEL AN FRANCISCO, June 25 - Cellphones are chock-full of features like built-in cameras, personalized ring tones

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2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:41 AM 6/27/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case. What's wrong with this picture??? 1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a location which

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case. What's wrong with this picture??? 1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a location which is known to fascists. 2. Use it for your toll-road-transponder too.

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx where they are. [...] The marketing reason would be to help people find others geographically. At least with GSM, the base station always knows the approximate distance to the

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

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Body Armor (was Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi)

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
Just for the record, after writing that last missive, which reflects an experience almost 25 years old, I did some quick googling on current body armor. My experience *probably* does not hold with the latest (post 1999) fiber systems. But I still wouldn't bet my life on it. -- Yours, J.A.

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:01 AM 6/27/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in to them. Again I am a few Moore's generations behind. (Does that make me a semi-Amish atheist? Or a reformed Luddite?) Where I vacation sometimes, I would need a metallized

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamming GPS is no problem, but then they'll just triangulate you within the cell. The only way to prevent that would be to switch off, andn to pull the battery (unless the firmware is open source, and peer-reviewed). A little poking around on google reveals

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism? I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be instructed to turn off the GPS feature for law

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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:25 AM 6/27/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote: Triangluating on a non-isotropic antenna should be quite a bit harder... Bingo. Watch your sidelobes, baby.

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 10:46:53PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 12:25 AM 6/27/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote: Triangluating on a non-isotropic antenna should be quite a bit harder... Bingo. Watch your sidelobes, baby. Triangulation by signal strength is one thing, triangulation by

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: I'm fully aware the pigs track you unless the battery is removed or you have a TEMPEST case. I'm suggesting that regular citizens will have access to that, if (in my cluelessness) they don't already. If the phone is shielded, it can't

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism? I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: a mikropower jammer, Only if you are willing to forego the phone as well, in which case, just remove the battery pack :-) I am assuming here that the phone has a dual receiver, one of the GPS

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Triangulation by signal strength is one thing, triangulation by relativistic ToF (time of flight) -- while still not present in consumer gadgets -- is far more difficult to fool. Especially if it's tied into the protocol, that you're getting position

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 02:02:24AM +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Can it be disabled by hardware hack of the phone, a mikropower jammer, or using an unofficial firmware? Jamming GPS is no problem, but then they'll just triangulate you within the cell. The only way to prevent that would be to

Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi

2004-06-27 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in to them. Many still have test jacks on them. Both my old Samsung A500 and my current Sanyo SCP-8100 have a connector (either MC or