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At 05:17 PM 8/2/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: Assuming I generate a key on a RSA smart card made by GD, what kind of prestige track do these people have? They seem to be pretty secretive, that's not a good sign. FWIW: They make the SIMs for T-Mobile (ie Deutsche Telecom AG) so they are part of

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Re: [Politech] A close look at John Kerry's *real* tech agenda [ip]

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2004-08-02 Thread Peter Gutmann
Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no smart card background, unfortunately. I've heard GD ignores requests from open source developer people, though. Yup. It's standard banking-industry stuff, unless you're a large bank/government/whatever and are prepared to sign over your firstborn

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2004-08-02 Thread John Kelsey
-Original Message- From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 30, 2004 10:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies The profitably part is a non-issue when you have black budgets,

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2004-08-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 03:57:02AM +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: Nothing you can't get from a pile of other vendors who will actually talk to you. Unless you've got some business reason to deal with them, I wouldn't bother (I have nothing against them per se, they just do business in a way

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2004-08-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
Assuming I generate a key on a RSA smart card made by GD, what kind of prestige track do these people have? They seem to be pretty secretive, that's not a good sign. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078,

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