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- Forwarded message from Roger Dingledine [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Roger Dingledine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:00:23 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tor 0.0.9rc6 is out User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This release improves reliability for

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2004-12-06 Thread Nomen Nescio
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RE: Word Of the Subgenius...

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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:06 AM To: R.W. (Bob) Erickson Cc: Steve Furlong; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word Of the Subgenius... On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob)

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonus question: Who is the author of the origin question that inspired the copycats? Well, I remember May posting it but I don't think he was the ultimate author. I suspect whoever posted it recently in fact dug it out of the archives and

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2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Neil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: [PROMIS] Yes, I have found that puzzling too. Articles I have read refer to the original version being in the public domain. You'd think the source code would be out there somewhere. If

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Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread John Young
Cryptome hosts a 2000 book excerpt on PROMIS as allegedly used by Mossad, though not much about the technical details of the program: http://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm The file has links to other information on Riconosciuto offered by Orlin Grabbe, a long-time supporter of Riconosciuto.

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonus question: Who is the author of the origin question that inspired the copycats? Well, I remember May posting it but I don't think he was the ultimate author. I suspect whoever posted it

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Furlong
On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 17:00, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 3:34 PM -0500 12/6/04, Steve Thompson wrote: I rather suspect that the people who 0wn the upstream pipe from my points of access are toying with their ability to interpose their data in place of quasi-authoritative texts. Oh, *my*...

Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 3:34 PM -0500 12/6/04, Steve Thompson wrote: I rather suspect that the people who 0wn the upstream pipe from my points of access are toying with their ability to interpose their data in place of quasi-authoritative texts. Oh, *my*... Come

Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R.A. Hettinga wrote: Oh, *my*... Where is Detweiller, now that we need him? Huh? I thought that *was* Detweiller! Detwellier had an oral fixation, and while I may like a good argument as much as anyone, mere talk about sex never really did

Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:12 PM -0500 12/6/04, Steve Thompson wrote: But I cannot prove it. Tee hee... Plonk! This from the guy who took over where Choate left off. Although at least you include the article text instead of simply posting links. I'm not here to

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Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Neil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: To be bobbed is never the goal, but bobless fear steers the undifferentiated bob along conventional paths, to the abattoir Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Tuning

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Neil Johnson
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: I've only read vague hints and rumours concerning its implicit design philosophy and architecture from the rare instances where it is mentioned at all. Yes, he code is probably classified (blah, blah, blah), but its actual use must

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Bill Stewart
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? At 07:16 PM 12/5/2004, J.A.

RE: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Trei, Peter
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:06 AM To: R.W. (Bob) Erickson Cc: Steve Furlong; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word Of the Subgenius... On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, R.W. (Bob)

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: PROMIS Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory. Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin. However, all you have to do is drop that acronym around here, and, sooner or later, like buzzards to a shitwagon, all the usual

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? We had a PROMIS system on our

Word play bobs the literal minded

2004-12-06 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
John Kelsey wrote: From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 4, 2004 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Word Of the Subgenius... I thought JR Bob Dobbs got beamed up to that comet with those LA Koolaid kooks... No, but I do believe the comet kooks engaged in bobbitization

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Nomen Nescio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. [PROMIS] Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Nomen Nescio
Bill Stewart shrieb: There are several different issues related to PROMIS Thanks for your comments. But what about the person Michael Riconosciuto? I did some searches online and I got the feeling that a lot people see him as an extremely intelligent person, a one-in-a-million type of person,

Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread John Kelsey
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 4, 2004 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Word Of the Subgenius... I thought JR Bob Dobbs got beamed up to that comet with those LA Koolaid kooks... No, but I do believe the comet kooks engaged in bobbitization (or perhaps, merely bobbing).

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, Oh, please... Try googling the line-count of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Neil Johnson
One the claims I have problems with (from the WIRED article): But the real power of PROMIS, according to Hamilton, is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, PROMIS can integrate innumerable databases without requiring any reprogramming. If this were true, I can guarantee that

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, Oh, please... Try googling the line-count of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code... OOP is a fairly

Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Tyler Durden
Bonus question: Who is the author of the origin question that inspired the copycats? Well, I remember May posting it but I don't think he was the ultimate author. I suspect whoever posted it recently in fact dug it out of the archives and re-posted it, a particularly lame maneuver if so.

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Neil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: [PROMIS] Yes, I have found that puzzling too. Articles I have read refer to the original version being in the public domain. You'd think the source code would be out there somewhere. If

Re: Word Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonus question: Who is the author of the origin question that inspired the copycats? Well, I remember May posting it but I don't think he was the ultimate author. I suspect whoever posted it

Kerik, Homeland Security Czar - Scathing article from The Register

2004-12-06 Thread Bill Stewart
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