On Wednesday 2004 April 28 23:30, Bob Jonkman wrote:
In Canada we have the option to decline to vote. Go to the polling
station, register your name, take the ballot, then tell the clerk
that you decline to vote. This indicates that you believe that
no-one on the ballot is a suitable
OK, I admit that I rolled that scheme off the top off my head in about
34 seconds, and that it may well have a hundred holes ready to be shot
through it at any time. Still, anything that gets poeple thinking about
their vote and perhaps then, by association, their politics, I count as
This is what Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said
about Re: Fact checking on 28 Apr 2004 at 19:37
Make sure there's a handy abstain option for those who want to get
the point across about lack of choice, and maybe a space to say why,
too. Then stick the (anonymous) reasons up in a publicly
Damian Gerow (2004-04-29 02:07Z) wrote:
Thus spake Justin [28/04/04 15:41]:
: Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea. While being deathly ill...
Proxy vote. I did it for two 'invalid' relatives this year.
I hadn't looked it up before, but it seems most countries with
compulsory
Damian Gerow wrote:
Why bother putting something up in a library? Chances are, if someone's
reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
candidates. Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!
[...]
I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
Indeed, why
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:05:32PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [27/04/04 17:18]:
:All of the above, but mostly door-to-door voter registration. When you
: consider that both klinton and dubbya were elected with only 13%-14% of the
: eligible
Thomas Shaddack (2004-04-28 18:32Z) wrote:
What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.
Presidents don't pass laws. Presidential
Graham Lally (2004-04-28 14:47Z) wrote:
Damian Gerow wrote:
I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?
Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea. While
Thus spake Justin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 15:41]:
: Damian Gerow wrote:
: I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
:
: Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
: if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?
:
: Requiring that adults vote is
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 11:40]:
: Hi, Sir, my name is Bob and I'm here to educate you about all the
: candidates in the upcoming election that your eight second attention span
: will allow me. Oops, I guess I've used it all up. Bye now!
:
: These things all
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Tim Benham wrote:
I bet people would start voting after that.
If they don't, offer them two vials of crack!
It's already being done; it's called political promises. The candidates
are usually pretty high on that stuff.
What won't hurt could be making them liable for
Damian Gerow wrote:
Why bother putting something up in a library? Chances are, if someone's
reading it there, they're already somewhat knowledgable about the
candidates. Or heck, maybe they're even there to do /research/ on them!
[...]
I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
Indeed, why
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Tim Benham wrote:
I bet people would start voting after that.
If they don't, offer them two vials of crack!
It's already being done; it's called political promises. The candidates
are usually pretty high on that stuff.
What won't hurt could be making them liable for
Thomas Shaddack (2004-04-28 18:32Z) wrote:
What won't hurt could be making them liable for their promises, as they
can be considered to be a contract with the voters. With specific
penalties for not delivering the results in the specified timeframe.
Presidents don't pass laws. Presidential
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 11:40]:
: Hi, Sir, my name is Bob and I'm here to educate you about all the
: candidates in the upcoming election that your eight second attention span
: will allow me. Oops, I guess I've used it all up. Bye now!
:
: These things all
Thus spake Justin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28/04/04 15:41]:
: Damian Gerow wrote:
: I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
:
: Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
: if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?
:
: Requiring that adults vote is
Graham Lally (2004-04-28 14:47Z) wrote:
Damian Gerow wrote:
I don't see any way to educate the mass public.
Indeed, why bother? How about a system that removes your right to vote
if you haven't exercised it in the last 3 elections?
Requiring that adults vote is a terrible idea. While
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:20:06PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 19:25]:
:And the local elections are no prime pickings either, it's crooks to the left
: of us, crooks to the right of us, ahead and behind, above and below. Extremely
:
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:06:50 -0400
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fact checking
How do you start motivating a lazy and apathetic public to learn about
their
candidates, and vote? Door-to-door campaigns? Talks at the local
library? Grocery store posters?
Well
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [27/04/04 17:18]:
:All of the above, but mostly door-to-door voter registration. When you
: consider that both klinton and dubbya were elected with only 13%-14% of the
: eligible voters, it wouldn't take all that many new voters to really make a
:
At 5:36 PM -0400 4/26/04, Damian Gerow wrote:
: YMOIMV?
Hum. I've never seen this before -- what's it stand for?
Your Meaning Of Is May Vary...
;-)
Cheers,
RAH
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Subject: Re: Fact checking
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:20:06 -0400
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 19:25]:
:And the local elections are no prime pickings either, it's crooks to
the left
: of us
vials of crack. Then imagine
we 'elect' bin Laden as a Senator or something with these votes.
I bet people would start voting after that.
-TD
From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fact checking
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:15:04 -0500
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:20
[having problems with an MX record somewhere. Let's see if this works...]
At 3:04 PM -0400 4/26/04, Damian Gerow parsed a sentence thusly:
That's not saying that he invented the internet, it's saying that he took
initiative in creating it.
Okay. I'll bite. Let's do a Rorschach test.
Please
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:06:50 -0400
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fact checking
How do you start motivating a lazy and apathetic public to learn about
their
candidates, and vote? Door-to-door campaigns? Talks at the local
library? Grocery store posters?
Well
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:20:06PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 19:25]:
:And the local elections are no prime pickings either, it's crooks to the left
: of us, crooks to the right of us, ahead and behind, above and below. Extremely
:
Thus spake sunder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 13:10]:
: Actually, Mr. Gore didn't once claim to invent the Internet. Through
: various mis-wordings and lax fact-checkings, the Mass Media came to
: represent what he said through that phrase.
:
: What he /actually/ claimed (and what he
Damian Gerow wrote:
Hey, I'm no fan of Tipper either. And I'm not saying that Al Gore was a
/good/ choice. But in retrospect, he probably would have been a lesser evil
than the current president.
THAT, ultimately is the meta-point. You shouldn't have to vote for the
lesser evil, but when your
Thus spake sunder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 13:38]:
: Hey, I'm no fan of Tipper either. And I'm not saying that Al Gore was a
: /good/ choice. But in retrospect, he probably would have been a lesser
: evil
: than the current president.
:
: THAT, ultimately is the meta-point. You shouldn't
Damian Gerow wrote:
Who you vote for is up to you. I'm not telling you to vote for him, I'm
just correcting a pretty large non-truth propogated by American media.
B*llshit. From a transcript of an interview of Al Gore by Wolf Blitzer:
Thus spake Pete Capelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 13:56]:
: Who you vote for is up to you. I'm not telling you to vote for him, I'm
: just correcting a pretty large non-truth propogated by American media.
:
: B*llshit. From a transcript of an interview of Al Gore by Wolf Blitzer:
:
: B*llshit. From a transcript of an interview of Al Gore by Wolf Blitzer:
:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/
:
: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in
: creating the Internet.
Yes, that's exactly what he
Damian Gerow wrote:
I don't give a flying fuck who you vote for, who the options are, what you
think of them, or even if they're convicted drunk drivers hell-bent on
converting the world to their belief system (...).
You, sir, are in great need of an enema.
*PLONK*
Thus spake Pete Capelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 16:01]:
: Yes, that's exactly what he said:
:
: http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
:
: That's not saying that he invented the internet, it's saying that he took
: initiative in creating it. Two very different things.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 04:12:40PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
Agreed, every politician has their own problems. I /personally/ don't
believe that Mr. Gore was trying to take credit for 'inventing' the
Internet. His wording is incredibly vague, and I agree that it could be
taken as him
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 19:25]:
:And the local elections are no prime pickings either, it's crooks to the left
: of us, crooks to the right of us, ahead and behind, above and below. Extremely
: few real choices. The real problem is -- most people don't vote. What
Damian Gerow wrote:
Hey, I'm no fan of Tipper either. And I'm not saying that Al Gore was a
/good/ choice. But in retrospect, he probably would have been a lesser evil
than the current president.
THAT, ultimately is the meta-point. You shouldn't have to vote for the
lesser evil, but when your
Thus spake sunder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 13:38]:
: Hey, I'm no fan of Tipper either. And I'm not saying that Al Gore was a
: /good/ choice. But in retrospect, he probably would have been a lesser
: evil
: than the current president.
:
: THAT, ultimately is the meta-point. You shouldn't
Thus spake sunder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 13:10]:
: Actually, Mr. Gore didn't once claim to invent the Internet. Through
: various mis-wordings and lax fact-checkings, the Mass Media came to
: represent what he said through that phrase.
:
: What he /actually/ claimed (and what he
Damian Gerow wrote:
Who you vote for is up to you. I'm not telling you to vote for him, I'm
just correcting a pretty large non-truth propogated by American media.
B*llshit. From a transcript of an interview of Al Gore by Wolf Blitzer:
Thus spake Pete Capelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 13:56]:
: Who you vote for is up to you. I'm not telling you to vote for him, I'm
: just correcting a pretty large non-truth propogated by American media.
:
: B*llshit. From a transcript of an interview of Al Gore by Wolf Blitzer:
:
Damian Gerow wrote:
I don't give a flying fuck who you vote for, who the options are, what you
think of them, or even if they're convicted drunk drivers hell-bent on
converting the world to their belief system (...).
You, sir, are in great need of an enema.
*PLONK*
: B*llshit. From a transcript of an interview of Al Gore by Wolf Blitzer:
:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/
:
: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in
: creating the Internet.
Yes, that's exactly what he
Thus spake Pete Capelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 16:01]:
: Yes, that's exactly what he said:
:
: http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
:
: That's not saying that he invented the internet, it's saying that he took
: initiative in creating it. Two very different things.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 04:12:40PM -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
Agreed, every politician has their own problems. I /personally/ don't
believe that Mr. Gore was trying to take credit for 'inventing' the
Internet. His wording is incredibly vague, and I agree that it could be
taken as him
Thus spake Harmon Seaver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [26/04/04 19:25]:
:And the local elections are no prime pickings either, it's crooks to the left
: of us, crooks to the right of us, ahead and behind, above and below. Extremely
: few real choices. The real problem is -- most people don't vote. What
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