Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
Meyer Wolfsheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: S/MIME support is in just about every popular email client out of the box. Why is PGP more widely used? [Good reasons snipped] Those who care about security [0] use PGP, the rest use S/MIME. To steal a line from Hexed: S/MIME: For people who could

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread jamesd
-- On 23 May 2002 at 10:57, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: 3. The people who might use it if it is easy. This is Joe Sixpack. This is who you are worrying about, wanting S/MIME to deliver on its promises. This is Templeton is worrying about, wanting opportunistic mail encryption. Joe sixpack

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread Curt Smith
The lack of e-mail detailing financial transactions is also the reason many businesses chose not to incur the overhead of secure communications. If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which passed through them as webpages (for the bored,

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread A.Melon
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Curt Smith wrote: The lack of e-mail detailing financial transactions is also the reason many businesses chose not to incur the overhead of secure communications. If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread Morlock Elloi
If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which passed through them as webpages (for the bored, curious, and opportunistic), THEN everyone would see the value of encrypted e-mail. Most of them do ... they are called MAEs - it's just

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
Meyer Wolfsheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: S/MIME support is in just about every popular email client out of the box. Why is PGP more widely used? [Good reasons snipped] Those who care about security [0] use PGP, the rest use S/MIME. To steal a line from Hexed: S/MIME: For people who could

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread Curt Smith
The lack of e-mail detailing financial transactions is also the reason many businesses chose not to incur the overhead of secure communications. If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which passed through them as webpages (for the bored,

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread jamesd
-- On 23 May 2002 at 10:57, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: 3. The people who might use it if it is easy. This is Joe Sixpack. This is who you are worrying about, wanting S/MIME to deliver on its promises. This is Templeton is worrying about, wanting opportunistic mail encryption. Joe sixpack

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-24 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:21 PM 5/24/02 -0700, Curt Smith wrote: If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which passed through them as webpages (for the bored, curious, and opportunistic), THEN everyone would see the value of encrypted e-mail. Hmm, didn't

Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-23 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Lucky Green wrote: Adam wrote: Which is too bad. If NAI-PGP went away completely, then compatability problems would be reduced. I also expect that the German goverment group currently funding GPG would be more willing to fund UI work for windows. Tell me about

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-23 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Curt Smith wrote: This is a fairly accurate description of the situation, but neglects to emphasize that the reason [1-cypherpunk] bothers convincing [2-coerced associate] to use encrypted e-mail is because [1] understands its importance and is attempting to

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

2002-05-23 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Curt Smith wrote: This is a fairly accurate description of the situation, but neglects to emphasize that the reason [1-cypherpunk] bothers convincing [2-coerced associate] to use encrypted e-mail is because [1] understands its importance and is attempting to