On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 08:15:37PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
horse, and a rope.
There aren't enough horses :-)
Unlike bullets, horses and rope are reusable. More expensive up
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:55:00AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
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On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote:
Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and
vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment,
and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had
On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
I was just wondering the same thing myself. Since when is EPIC not
cypherpunk-friendly?
See my reasonably long post in this thread and Tim's nicely-reasoned
response...
-Declan
On 15 Dec 2002, David Wagner wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization,
but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...]
Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is
not willing to count even EPIC among its friends?
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:14:18AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either
the nations of Europe or Canada are more tolerant of crypto than the
U.S. is. The archives have much material, findable with Google in most
cases.
Tim is right.
Declan McCullagh wrote:
Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization,
but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...]
Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is
not willing to count even EPIC among its friends?
On 15 Dec 2002, David Wagner wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization,
but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...]
Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is
not willing to count even EPIC among its friends?
James A. Donald wrote:
In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty,
but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately
the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no
recovery.
I heard some governmental official on the radio the other day (I paid
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Lucky Green wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty,
but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately
the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no
recovery.
I heard
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote:
It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the other end of the rope
to a fast car.
That would give a new meaning to drawn and quartered. There's a lot of
bureaucrats who need that performed on them.
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Lucky Green wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty,
but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately
the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no
recovery.
I heard
Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
horse, and a rope.
Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local
warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then might
makes right is all that will be left.
In a way, the
Tyler Durden said:
In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a
me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi,
BlackNet, and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above.
It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:56 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
horse, and a rope.
Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local
warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then
It's mildly amusing to watch your months-long transition from newcomer to
believer that crypto provides the tools for sabotaging the State and
protecting real liberty.
Well, this is for me not an easy issue. Amerika has always had a hard-on for
fascism (as long as it was in the service of
--
On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote:
Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and
vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment,
and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at
one time.
So far this has only been applied to people who are
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:55 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously
hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be
steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act
already aims at people who make cartridges
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
In a state where Crypto is not resisted (OK, there probably aren't a
lot of these...perhaps in Europe or Canada?), Crypto defaults to the
above.
You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either
the nations of
--
On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote:
Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and
vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment,
and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at
one time.
So far this has only been applied to people who are
Tyler Durden said:
In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a
me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi,
BlackNet, and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above.
It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:56 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
horse, and a rope.
Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local
warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:55 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously
hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be
steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act
already aims at people who make cartridges
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
In a state where Crypto is not resisted (OK, there probably aren't a
lot of these...perhaps in Europe or Canada?), Crypto defaults to the
above.
You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either
the nations of
jet wrote:
At 20:48 -0500 2002/12/07, Myers W. Carpenter wrote:
http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441
PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL
Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC
One major issue is these days, the laws have become so
incredibly
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
horse, and a rope.
There aren't enough horses :-)
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
jet wrote:
At 20:48 -0500 2002/12/07, Myers W. Carpenter wrote:
http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441
PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL
Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC
One major issue is these days, the laws have become so
incredibly
http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441
PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL
Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC
An amateur photographer named Mike Maginnis was arrested on Tuesday in
his home city of Denver - for simply taking pictures of buildings
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 05:48 PM, Myers W. Carpenter wrote:
http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441
PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL
Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC
An amateur photographer named Mike Maginnis was arrested on Tuesday
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote:
Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a
horse, and a rope.
There aren't enough horses :-)
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
At 20:48 -0500 2002/12/07, Myers W. Carpenter wrote:
http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441
PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL
Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC
Is there any other coverage of this?
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J. Eric Townsend -- jet spies com
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